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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed May 22, 2013 10:30 am

I can still see Howard remaining with the Lakers, because I can only imagine how difficult it would be to walk away from that much money. At the same time, those meetings and the reports that he's supposedly intrigued by the Rockets do suggest there's a pretty good chance he'll leave instead.

I keep coming back to the money, though. Again, does anyone in his position walk away from that?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Thu May 23, 2013 3:32 am

Before anyone answers that choker in Miami, he only gave up 5 million.
Shaq gave up about 8-9 million to re-sign with the Heat then.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Thu May 23, 2013 4:44 am

No amount of money can bring up the Lakers dynasty now. Days=over ;)
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu May 23, 2013 8:46 am

Hush fanboy, go enjoy this little run the Heat are on.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby stereoxide on Thu May 23, 2013 9:02 am

SoF'nAwesome wrote:No amount of money can bring up the Lakers dynasty now. Days=over ;)

What? Are you realizing they are the Lakers, one of the prime FA destinations. If Kobe retires years from now they can rebuild quickly because of money and market.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Thu May 23, 2013 5:50 pm

When was the last one...2007? 2008? I'm sorry I don't remember. And Kobe was also the MVP last...damn, don't remember again!
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby stereoxide on Thu May 23, 2013 6:10 pm

SoF'nAwesome wrote:When was the last one...2007? 2008? I'm sorry I don't remember. And Kobe was also the MVP last...damn, don't remember again!

Champions 2009, 2010, just three years ago. Obviously you only watched the NBA when the Miami Big Three were formed. They are also a playoff mainstay for the past 15 or so years having only missed it the year after Shaq left the Lakers.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Thu May 23, 2013 6:23 pm

Miami fanboy bandwagoner just got pwned.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Thu May 23, 2013 8:37 pm

stereoxide is heaven sent! Thank you!

shadowgrin wrote:Miami fanboy bandwagoner just got pwned.


Stop using the term "bandwagoner". He gets hurt immediately upon reading that word.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby stereoxide on Thu May 23, 2013 9:34 pm

Stress Fracture wrote:stereoxide is heaven sent! Thank you!

Nope, I'm not. I just replied first to his post. benji or shadowgrin could have easily rebutted his statements.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Thu May 23, 2013 9:47 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Miami fanboy bandwagoner just got pwned.


Word! :lol:
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby dare on Thu May 23, 2013 10:33 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Miami fanboy bandwagoner just got pwned.

:applaud:
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Fri May 24, 2013 4:47 am

Lamers unite! :applaud:

No, it's cool. You guys need a win, at least somewhere. Don't see one coming in the NBA in the future, so might as well make a celebration out of this one.

stereoxide wrote:Champions 2009, 2010, just three years ago. Obviously you only watched the NBA when the Miami Big Three were formed. They are also a playoff mainstay for the past 15 or so years having only missed it the year after Shaq left the Lakers.

Easy there, Sherlock. Didn't realize that only that one statement could make it so "obvious" that I started watching the NBA yesterday. I'm assuming you all guys are so tense right now that you don't just get sarcasm. I was "obviously" stating the fact that it's been some time since the Lakers last won a championship and it's Heat's time now. "I don't remember" damn!

But you guys need some positive news, yes! I only started watching the NBA 3 years ago. Damn, I got pwned :lol:
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri May 24, 2013 5:22 am

Bandwagoner confirmed.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Fri May 24, 2013 5:32 am

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri May 24, 2013 7:14 pm

lol @ making excuses.

If Howard do leave the Lakers, what do you think the front office will do?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby benji on Fri May 24, 2013 7:29 pm

SoF'nAwesome wrote:I only started watching the NBA 3 years ago.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Fri May 24, 2013 8:05 pm

Stress Fracture wrote:lol @ making excuses.

If Howard do leave the Lakers, what do you think the front office will do?


Still in the mix is a possible sign-and-trade deal that sends Howard to Houston in return for Asik and Lin.
If Lakers front office puts up something like that, I would still consider it a huge failure. Asik put up some decent numbers last season and could be a nice addition, but Lin is as usefull as a hole in the head.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Fri May 24, 2013 9:25 pm

SteveHTOWN wrote:
Stress Fracture wrote:lol @ making excuses.

If Howard do leave the Lakers, what do you think the front office will do?


Still in the mix is a possible sign-and-trade deal that sends Howard to Houston in return for Asik and Lin.
If Lakers front office puts up something like that, I would still consider it a huge failure. Asik put up some decent numbers last season and could be a nice addition, but Lin is as usefull as a hole in the head.


If all hope was lost to re-sign Howard, I wouldn't want Asik & Lin. I Would want Parsons, Beverly and Robinson plus 1st rnd picks. Lin although coming to his hometown LA, Lin is NOT worth the 14+ million owed to him in in 14'-15'. Asik is also a typical overpriced big man. Parson & Beverly are the real gems that the Lakers should target in such a trade. The money would actually work. Asik is not worth a dollar over 10M. Lin is not worth a dollar over the mid level exception. That would leave the Lakers with a payroll of approx $83M in 13'-14'.

If I were Kupchak I aslo would try to play hardball by not taking Asik & Lin back, because if the Rockets succeed in taking Howard but are not able to trade Lin & Asik, this seriously impedes the Rockets ability to re-stock their bench. So that becomes a big FU to Howard for leaving. Even if the Rockets manage to get rid of Asik & Lin, Harden + DH12's pay would seriously impede the Rockets ability to sign better players. Meanwhile, Kupchak even without Howard in the fold would have many options in the 2014 free agency, w/o being stuck with Asik & Lin's salary & only the $9M+ owed to Nash w/c he could still amnesty and start rebuilding with only around $6M or so commited on payroll. Then maybe sign Asik for 5M and Lin for 2M, sign 2 max players in the great free agency of 2014 and a great big FU again to Howard.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby benji on Fri May 24, 2013 9:31 pm

Bruce wrote:If I were Kupchak I aslo would try to play hardball by not taking Asik & Lin back, because if the Rockets succeed in taking Howard but are not able to trade Lin & Asik, this seriously impedes the Rockets ability to re-stock their bench. So that becomes a big FU to Howard for leaving. Even if the Rockets manage to get rid of Asik & Lin, Harden + DH12's pay would seriously impede the Rockets ability to sign better players. Meanwhile, Kupchak even without Howard in the fold would have many options in the 2014 free agency, w/o being stuck with Asik & Lin's salary & only the $9M+ owed to Nash w/c he could still amnesty and start rebuilding with only around $6M or so commited on payroll.

The Rockets bench is already stocked, and their entire game plan was to build a team like last year and roll that into a second superstar. Getting Howard as a FA is what they want.

What options do the Lakers have in 2014? Are they starting over from scratch? No playoffs this year? Letting Kobe go?

They can't amnesty Nash.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Fri May 24, 2013 9:46 pm

benji wrote:The Rockets bench is already stocked, and their entire game plan was to build a team like last year and roll that into a second superstar. Getting Howard as a FA is what they want.

What options do the Lakers have in 2014? Are they starting over from scratch? No playoffs this year? Letting Kobe go?


I am trying to illustrate why taking Asik & Lin is a chump move. Take Houston's bench instead, if not just let dh12 walk. If they take the two, then they give away the chance and flexibility to get much much better players in the '14 free agency. 2014 for the Lakers could very possibly be a very shaky year for the Lakers since Kobe's condition and his status when he returns is still up in the air. Do you think the Lakers would be better in 2014 with Asik & Lin?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sat May 25, 2013 12:02 am

At least Lin is a better PG than Duhon and Co. Also, the much anticipated Nash tutorials to Lin can happen at that time.

As for Asik, well he can develop his offensive skills if the Lakers hire someone to teach him.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sat May 25, 2013 3:21 am

benji wrote:He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames before I give him up!

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat May 25, 2013 10:23 am

SteveHTOWN wrote:
Stress Fracture wrote:lol @ making excuses.

If Howard do leave the Lakers, what do you think the front office will do?


Still in the mix is a possible sign-and-trade deal that sends Howard to Houston in return for Asik and Lin.
If Lakers front office puts up something like that, I would still consider it a huge failure. Asik put up some decent numbers last season and could be a nice addition, but Lin is as usefull as a hole in the head.

Funny I was just thinking about how great it would be for Lin to reunite in LA yesterday before looking at this thread. I thought it would be a great setup for him to be back with D'Antoni and be mentored by Steve Nash (he was supposed to be mentored this year by Kidd, but Nash would be a better mentor for him). Perhaps then he could recapture some of the magic of Linsanity. I did not think about a possible sign & trade though. it would be a good deal for the Lakers as opposed to losing Dwight for nothing. They'll fill a hole at PG, they'll pick up a backup C, and would allow D'Antoni to to actually play a run & gun style with Pau, Clark, Metta, Meeks, & Lin with Asik off the bench. They would obviously need to get some better 3 point shooters.

Bruce wrote: Lin although coming to his hometown LA

Lin isn't from LA, he's from Palo Alto
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat May 25, 2013 10:29 am

Lin is way too overpaid to actually be an option. At least, I hope he isn't. :?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby werewolf914 on Sat May 25, 2013 1:49 pm

Bruce wrote:If all hope was lost to re-sign Howard, I wouldn't want Asik & Lin. I Would want Parsons, Beverly and Robinson plus 1st rnd picks. Lin although coming to his hometown LA, Lin is NOT worth the 14+ million owed to him in in 14'-15'. Asik is also a typical overpriced big man. Parson & Beverly are the real gems that the Lakers should target in such a trade. The money would actually work. Asik is not worth a dollar over 10M. Lin is not worth a dollar over the mid level exception. That would leave the Lakers with a payroll of approx $83M in 13'-14'.

If I were Kupchak I aslo would try to play hardball by not taking Asik & Lin back, because if the Rockets succeed in taking Howard but are not able to trade Lin & Asik, this seriously impedes the Rockets ability to re-stock their bench. So that becomes a big FU to Howard for leaving. Even if the Rockets manage to get rid of Asik & Lin, Harden + DH12's pay would seriously impede the Rockets ability to sign better players. Meanwhile, Kupchak even without Howard in the fold would have many options in the 2014 free agency, w/o being stuck with Asik & Lin's salary & only the $9M+ owed to Nash w/c he could still amnesty and start rebuilding with only around $6M or so commited on payroll. Then maybe sign Asik for 5M and Lin for 2M, sign 2 max players in the great free agency of 2014 and a great big FU again to Howard.


So, you want Parsons, Beverly and Robinson plus 1st rnd picks for a player don't want to resign with you, wile the Rockets can just sign him on FA with their huge free cap? Yeah, like that gonna happen.

Jackal wrote:Lin is way too overpaid to actually be an option. At least, I hope he isn't. :?


5 mil a year is overpaid?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sat May 25, 2013 1:58 pm

The $14.90M poison pill is what they're referring to. The Lakers would really lose some cap flexibility as Lin and Asik will be payed $28M in their final year of their contract.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat May 25, 2013 1:58 pm

He does have that "poison pill" year at the end of his contract, same as Asik.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby werewolf914 on Sat May 25, 2013 3:15 pm

I know the poison pill, but isn't it 2014-2015? I think they say as Lin is overpaid this year and next year too, which is just 5 mil.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat May 25, 2013 3:43 pm

iirc, it was 5, 8/9, then 15

anyways, if the lakers lose dwight for nothing, they're still way over the cap (about 16 mil if i'm right) and then will still have to re-sign clark for way more than the 1 mil he made this year. that pretty much excludes them from getting any new free agents unless they get a team to do a sign & trade with them which is unlikely since they don't have any valuable assets unless they pawn off gasoft on some sucker or they amnesty kobe (which they will not do). so i figure you might as well get two young players that can help and contribute immediately for dwight, even if they make more than people think they're worth. and since when have the Busses ever worried about money? ive never seen their profit/loss reports, but i would imagine they're turning a huge profit, especially the huge deal they signed with time warner cable.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sat May 25, 2013 4:28 pm

It's $5M-$5M then the whopping $15M. Though when the Rockets chooses to trade them, the receiving team should have at least $8M.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Bruce on Sat May 25, 2013 6:32 pm

@qballer you're right, what i meant was even in college he had ucla as an option to be close to home. meaning there would probably be some desire for lin to play in LA.

@werewolf914 what i am saying is howard would probably want a sign and trade if he leaves LA, because this is the only way he gets the 5 yr contract and a extra 30M. if howard would be willing to take a pay cut and sign with the rockets, then there is not much discussion about taking anything backfrom the rockets.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby werewolf914 on Sun May 26, 2013 1:57 am

Bruce wrote:@werewolf914 what i am saying is howard would probably want a sign and trade if he leaves LA, because this is the only way he gets the 5 yr contract and a extra 30M. if howard would be willing to take a pay cut and sign with the rockets, then there is not much discussion about taking anything backfrom the rockets.

The problem is you're asking too much for him in that case. Just put yourself in Rocket shoe, would you like to trade Parsons, Beverly and Robinson plus 1st rnd picks for Howard? With me it's a NO, loud and clear. There are still many other fishes in the sea.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sun May 26, 2013 1:59 am

Of course I wouldn't like that. But what Bruce is trying to say is that the Lakers really need to get young talents as early as this off-season as they are in a state of uncertainty right now.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Sun May 26, 2013 2:20 am

Stress Fracture wrote:Of course I wouldn't like that. But what Bruce is trying to say is that the Lakers really need to get young talents as early as this off-season as they are in a state of uncertainty right now.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sun May 26, 2013 2:33 am

I don't know for the Rockets. If Harden's pep talk to him can't persuade Howard to team up with him, then it's somewhat fine. I've been reading that they're also targeting Josh Smith.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Menopauss on Sun May 26, 2013 3:54 am

Stress Fracture wrote:I don't know for the Rockets. If Harden's pep talk to him can't persuade Howard to team up with him, then it's somewhat fine. I've been reading that they're also targeting Josh Smith.


He would be a great fit for them. If they sign him he'll probably have a max or close to max deal, so I hope he finally becomes an All-star.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sun May 26, 2013 7:19 am

mandich wrote:
Stress Fracture wrote:I don't know for the Rockets. If Harden's pep talk to him can't persuade Howard to team up with him, then it's somewhat fine. I've been reading that they're also targeting Josh Smith.


He would be a great fit for them. If they sign him he'll probably have a max or close to max deal, so I hope he finally becomes an All-star.

i disagree. his love for shooting jumpshots doesn't fit into the layups & 3s offensive model of the rockets.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun May 26, 2013 8:55 am

werewolf914 wrote:I know the poison pill, but isn't it 2014-2015? I think they say as Lin is overpaid this year and next year too, which is just 5 mil.


Was indeed referring to that 14 million, even if the Busses have deep pockets, that guy isn't worth that amount of money. I get a lot of people are still high on him and everything but nah, I wouldn't be a fan of him joining the Lakers.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Sun May 26, 2013 6:32 pm

Jackal wrote:
werewolf914 wrote:I know the poison pill, but isn't it 2014-2015? I think they say as Lin is overpaid this year and next year too, which is just 5 mil.


Was indeed referring to that 14 million, even if the Busses have deep pockets, that guy isn't worth that amount of money. I get a lot of people are still high on him and everything but nah, I wouldn't be a fan of him joining the Lakers.

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sun May 26, 2013 6:55 pm

I would love to see him join the Lakers, but i am already a fan of his
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Stress Fracture on Sun May 26, 2013 7:37 pm

So you guys want Chris Duhon?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun May 26, 2013 8:16 pm

Nash & Blake are still on the team. If you're so high on Lin why are you in such a rush to get rid of him?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Sun May 26, 2013 9:40 pm

Jackal wrote:Nash & Blake are still on the team. If you're so high on Lin why are you in such a rush to get rid of him?

Much will depend on how Nash will come back next season. He's not getting younger and despite his great condition (for his age) age will take it's toll. It seems as if the Suns' medical staff did it's work very well with Nash.
But even if Nash is declining, Lin wouldn't be my personal first option as his replacement.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby werewolf914 on Sun May 26, 2013 10:32 pm

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Jackal wrote:Nash & Blake are still on the team. If you're so high on Lin why are you in such a rush to get rid of him?

Much will depend on how Nash will come back next season. He's not getting younger and despite his great condition (for his age) age will take it's toll. It seems as if the Suns' medical staff did it's work very well with Nash.
But even if Nash is declining, Lin wouldn't be my personal first option as his replacement.

Who would be then?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby _Steve_ on Sun May 26, 2013 10:55 pm

It's hard to say. There aren't that many good PGs (FA) available in 2013. In 2014 Greivis Vasquez could possible be available but that won't help the Lakers much next season. The list of players Lakers can afford right now is very short, so a trade would probably make some sense. Nevertheless that poison pill year in Lin's contract - which would be the reason you can't get rid of him after next season - really scares me off.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Mon May 27, 2013 4:41 am

Expiring contract is an asset, and it's a plus if Lin plays at high level. But then if Lin plays at high level, he wouldn't be just an expiring contract anymore but a fat contract you need to re-sign. Couldn't hurt imo. I like the sound of Lin and Dwightmare. He fixed things in NYK maybe he can do something similar for LAL. But ain't gonna happen. LoL
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby benji on Mon May 27, 2013 7:13 am

NovU wrote:Couldn't hurt imo. I like the sound of Lin and Dwightmare.

Aren't they talking about a hypothetical trade of Lin/Asik for Howard?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Mon May 27, 2013 8:45 am

Hey, It's the Lakers thread. Anything can happen.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Mon May 27, 2013 10:30 am

NovU, someone needs to put you down, it can't be healthy to be that stupid.Yes, even for a Heat/Canadian.
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