[Q] wrote:How much did you get paid to type that?
shadowgrin wrote:0.386, surpsingly better than Rubio's then and now.
EDIT: no, it's not, I was looking at % FGA and not FG%. Ball is worse than any of Rubio's seasons except for one with the same %
hova- wrote:What I dont understand: how the heck was Lonzo Ball so hyped ?! I did not pay attention as I dont follow NCAA a lot but how the hell can a player with a broken jump shot like his be that hyped?
NovU wrote:Because despite the broken shooting mechanic he put up unseen level of scoring efficiency. IIRC he averaged about 14.5 ppg-ish with about .600TS% which is crazy good number for a PG. It was said it was due to extremely smart shot selection due to high basketball IQ. In short, he put up much better numbers as a college player than Jason Kidd that drew comparison to Ball.
His NBA transition seems like is gonna be a bumpy ride for the Lakers fans. He's right in the middle of media crosshair. There's gonna be entire ESPN series dedicated to how Lonzo is a bust in upcoming months unless he quits shooting bricks.
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Andrew wrote:Lonzo probably isn't going to be able to ever match opponents in terms of athleticism, which just means he has to use the advantages he does have (he's reasonably tall for a point guard), and be more savvy. He needs to be able to get his shot off going in either direction. Maybe he needs to work on his mechanics so that he can shoot better under pressure. Getting a little stronger and developing a few reliable and elusive go to moves that work at the pro level can make up for his lack of explosive athleticism. If he can't do that, then he probably will end up being a bust...or at the very least, fall way short of the hype, and have trouble selling shoes for $500.
Andrew wrote:The other point of my post was to address NovU's question of why he's not posting the same efficient stats as in college.
Andrew wrote: If nothing else, it probably wasn't fair to expect him to be that efficient at the NBA level, especially right away. While I still think it's fair to criticise things like an inability to get his shot off going to the right - that is definitely something to work on - I would actually give him a pass in terms of not being able to replicate extremely high efficiency numbers at the NBA level, especially in his first season
Let's not forget that LeBron shot 41.7% from the field in his rookie year, and didn't crack 50% until his seventh season. LeBron's efficiency came when his offensive game became more than just athleticism
All stats need to be looked at in context. What level of competition is it? Obviously not all leagues are equal in that sense, and there's a significant gap as you rise through the amateur levels and into the pros, so success at one level isn't always going to translate to the next. You also have to consider a player's role. Someone who isn't the first option and not a focal point for the defense is probably going to be more efficient, or at least have a better opportunity to do so. Similarly, teammates and offensive systems are significant. A stacked team is going to make things easier for one another, as is an effective system. If you have a star who doesn't have much help, and/or a coach with a questionable playbook, it may be very tough for them to be efficient. Then you have systems that may win a lot of games and even championships, but not really allow players to have great individual numbers compared to others that are just as effective. Some allow both. In short, context matters
Jackal wrote: Even Rubio didn't get this shit on in less than 15 games in to the season.
NovU wrote:I do realize NBA's elevated competition is the cause and transition often does not work out even with work ethic and competitive spirit or all that kinds of bullshit
air gordon wrote:What “context” does Lonzo Ball play in now? Does the current system help or hinder his game?
air gordon wrote:interestingly enough on the other side of the country a rookie who came in with more criticisms in his game, Ben Simmons, is doing very well.
NovU wrote:air gordon wrote:interestingly enough on the other side of the country a rookie who came in with more criticisms in his game, Ben Simmons, is doing very well.
Fair point although I think age and year of NBA training matter.
[Q] wrote:Randle news was not surprising, as I earlier stated that he's going to be packaged in a deal to dump Deng or will be lost in the pursuit of two max FAs due to his large cap hold. Very sad considering his turnaround and improvement this year. Maybe someone will take Nance instead in a deal for deng
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