Better defense? Pippen or Artest?

by **Kobe101** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:07 pm

I cant decide. Its a pretty good question.

by **Jackal_** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:09 pm

Scottie. No question. Watch some old tapes of him in the early 90's and you'll see what I mean.

by **Fenix** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:16 pm

Artest is stronger and can guard some of the PFs, but Scottie was athletically superior, longer and generally more talented defender. He was like an octopus with those long arms. Without doubt the best perimeter defender in the history. Get yourself a game or two from the 1991 Finals and you'll see what I mean.

by **Kemp** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:26 pm

Has to be Pippen. He is the best defender I seem, he can guard any positions, I mean 1-5. In 1998 East Finals, he guard Mark Jackson from getting the ball to Reggie Miller. Pippen of course can guard 2 and 3. Pippen also guard Karl Malone in the Finals along with Ostertag and Keefe. Just to disrupt Jazz's offence and when Pippen get the rebound, he start off the fast break. Watch the 1998 Finals and you will see what I mean.

by **beau_boy04** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:28 pm

i'm pretty sure Pippen was a real great defender but still trying to go back in time and trying to remenber what players did Pippen covered during all those finals series.... who did he cover in Utah, seattle, phoenix, lakers, etc etc trying to remenber if he shut him down during the series.

by **COOLmac©** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:31 pm

pippen hands down (Y)

by **Fenix** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:35 pm

Okafor50 wrote:Has to be Pippen. He is the best defender I seem, he can guard any positions, I mean 1-5. In 1998 East Finals, he guard Mark Jackson from getting the ball to Reggie Miller. Pippen of course can guard 2 and 3. Pippen also guard Karl Malone in the Finals along with Ostertag and Keefe. Just to disrupt Jazz's offence and when Pippen get the rebound, he start off the fast break. Watch the 1998 Finals and you will see what I mean.

I'm pretty sure that it was Rodman who guarded Malone in that Finals. And I don't remember Pippen ever guarding bigger frontcourt players (namely centres). But then again, I'm probably wrong.

(Of topic: three posts in a row with an "...you'll see what I mean" ending sentence. That has to be some kind of a dumb record. Yeah, I'm just bored :lol:

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by **Kemp** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:42 pm

VanK wrote:
Okafor50 wrote:Has to be Pippen. He is the best defender I seem, he can guard any positions, I mean 1-5. In 1998 East Finals, he guard Mark Jackson from getting the ball to Reggie Miller. Pippen of course can guard 2 and 3. Pippen also guard Karl Malone in the Finals along with Ostertag and Keefe. Just to disrupt Jazz's offence and when Pippen get the rebound, he start off the fast break. Watch the 1998 Finals and you will see what I mean.

I'm pretty sure that it was Rodman who guarded Malone in that Finals. And I don't remember Pippen ever guarding bigger frontcourt players (namely centres). But then again, I'm probably wrong.

(Of topic: three posts in a row with an "...you'll see what I mean" ending sentence. That has to be some kind of a dumb record. Yeah, I'm just bored .)

For most of the game, Longley guarded Malone so that Rodman can keep out of foul trouble. In Game 3 of the 1998 Finals, watch Pippen spectacular defence, that is where Pippen guard any man he faced, yes even big man. That is why the Bulls won by 42 points on that game. Not to mention even Ron Harper guarded Ostertag.

by **Matthew** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:08 pm

Pippen guarded Patrick Ewing at times in the 96 series, he also guarded players like Shareef when Pip was a Blazer.

What it comes down to is simple: So often great players are measured by how they make their teamates better. Pippen made his teamates better defensively.

by **Jugs** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:13 pm

COOLmac© wrote:pippen hands down

Agreed.

Small and simple, it helps our brains

by **Goldenstatewarrior** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:15 pm

Pippen!

by **Dreadnight** on Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:20 pm

Scottie

by **Indy** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:16 am

I agree that Pippen gets the edge, but I don't think its as cut and dry as this poll, and most responses seem to think.

Artest is a better all around defender then Pippen was, because he can guard post players far better then Pippen could. Pippen was such an amazing perimiter defender, and because of that he was the best defensive player of all time, but Artest is not far behind in permiter D, but as far as post D, Artest is far better.

by **RxC6** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:21 am

pippen...

by **J@3** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:22 am

I don't see Artest defending anyone as good as Patrick Ewing in the mid 90's.

by **axare** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:20 am

No doubt.....Pippen

by **Indy** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:21 am

Fuck all of you

by **Carmo** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:25 am

IndyPacers67 wrote:Fuck all of you

lol, a bit harsh dont you think??

i didnt actually realise that pippen was that good at defending until recently when they pretty much compare every good defender to him to see how good they are. pippen must be the absolute frontrunner i guess.

by **maes** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:28 am

I think Artest resorts to muscle too much be called a better defensive player than Pippen.

I guess all those years of guarding Jordan in practice will do that to someone.

by **Indy** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:31 am

maes wrote:I guess all those years of guarding Jordan in practice will do that to someone.

Artest broke Jordan's ribs. Haven't seen pippen do that :wink:

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:32 pm

I too would pick Pippen as I believe he's the more skilled defender. He's one of the best players I've seen when it comes to drawing charges without flopping. But Artest is easily one of the best defenders in the league right now, if not the best.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:03 pm

While Artest is good, Pippen was better. Artest can guard post players because he's strong, but he's still only 6'7, and not a super athlete, and will only be effective against undersized post players. It's not like he's going to effectively shot down 6'10+ guys who actually have skill.

Pippen was a better perimeter defender, and was more capable of guarding quicker players. Artest can't really guard PG's or extremely quick players as well. An example is against Wade in the playoffs last season, though not many can actually guard Wade that well. Pippen could guard everyone from the 1-3 well.

by **Waz** on Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:44 am

as pretty much everyone has said pippen was a better skilled defender than artest is, also in my opinion he played better team defence which is much more important

by **Fenix** on Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:24 am

fgrep15 wrote:While Artest is good, Pippen was better. Artest can guard post players because he's strong, but he's still only 6'7, and not a super athlete, and will only be effective against undersized post players. It's not like he's going to effectively shot down 6'10+ guys who actually have skill.

Pippen was a better perimeter defender, and was more capable of guarding quicker players. Artest can't really guard PG's or extremely quick players as well. An example is against Wade in the playoffs last season, though not many can actually guard Wade that well. Pippen could guard everyone from the 1-3 well.

Yeah, not only that Pippen had more defensive skills than Artest, even his physique looked like it was made for playing D. With his long arms, great quickness, wiry KG-like strength and superb athleticism he could be matched against anyone on the court. Artest isn't nowhere near Pippen athleticism- and lengthwise and these are very important categories when comes to playing D.

Imagine what will happen if Lebron has that MJ's determination to be great on the both ends of the court. 6'8'', 245 pounds, over 7'wingspan to go with above average lateral quickness. Basically a mix of Artest's strength to go with Pippen's psychical attributes.

by **Cloudy** on Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:31 am

I don't know much, but from what I learnt from this thread...
I'll have to pick Pippen, since he was really good plus he's famous...
Ron Artest I think he is too violent...lol, or there's just that feel that he's bad