How the hell do they measure vertical leap?

[Fenix]

Name Bench press Vertical jump Lane Agility ¾-court sprint Overall rank
Joey Graham 26 36" 10.62 3.05 1
Rashad McCants 15 34½ in 10.39 3.11 3
Luther Head 14 38½" 11.12 3.21 7
Deron Williams 15 35" 10.83 3.25 10
David Lee 14 32½" 10.80 3.19 11
Marvin Williams 12 35" 11.11 3.17 15
Chris Paul 10 38½" 11.09 3.22 16
Raymond Felton 6 33½" 10.50 3.06 18
Ronny Turiaf 15 33" 11.50 3.23 21
Gerald Green 7 39" 11.2 3.21 24
Chris Taft 14 33" 11.26 3.27 25
Julius Hodge 14 29" 10.89 3.18 26
Sean May 12 33" 11.04 3.29 27
Danny Granger 10 34" 10.84 3.34 31
Channing Frye 19 31" 11.60 3.38 33
Dwayne Jones 15 31½" 11.87 3.25 38
Ike Diogu 21 31" 11.94 3.45 39
Charlie Villanueva 11 31" 10.86 3.3 42
Wayne Simien 11 27½" 11.05 3.35 49
Francisco Garcia 5 31½" 10.63 3.33 51
Jarrett Jack 5 28½" 10.87 3.24 54
Antoine Wright 12 29½" 11.45 3.41 55
Rudy Fernandez 0 35½" 10.48 3.33 56
Martell Webster 7 30½" 11.39 3.39 59
Andrew Bogut 13 33½" 12.06 3½1 60
Hakim Warrick 11 38" N/A 3.22 61
Monta Ellis 0 31½" 12.13 3.31 70
Martynas Andriuskevicius 0 27½" 11.94 3.42 73
Ersan Ilyasova 2 30" 11.59 3½6 74

Andrew Bogut -- He's been trying to dispel the "great white stiff" myth for the past few weeks. This doesn't help. While his vertical leap is actually above average for a guy his size, his lateral quickness and sprinting speed were just awful. That will hurt him defensively.Wayne Simien -- Simien finished well below the other top big men in almost every area. Especially shocking is his lack of explosion jumping off one foot. His one-step vertical was only a half inch more than his standing vertical. That was, by far, the worst in the camp.

Those MF's take a step before jumping. That's why their verticals are always sky high. For instance, the best result (without a step) in Treviso was 32''! Good news: I'm a better athlete (vertical jump-wise) than Jarret Jack and Monta Ellis. I knew I should've participate in these things. I could've got drafted in the 1st round. They don't look at the actual basketball skills, do they ?

[J@3]

Bogut's vertical is higher than some of the athletic guards

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

How many pounds/kgrs do they put on for that bench press anyway...? hope it's not 220lbs like in the NFL combine or we would be looking at monsters here... Ilyasova 0 benvh presses...

[Colin]

Those MF's take a step before jumping. That's why their verticals are always sky high. F

No kidding, why wouldn't they take a step? It's not like you don't take a step before you jump while playing the game.

[Andrew]

Andrew Bogut -- He's been trying to dispel the "great white stiff" myth for the past few weeks. This doesn't help. While his vertical leap is actually above average for a guy his size, his lateral quickness and sprinting speed were just awful. That will hurt him defensively.Wayne Simien -- Simien finished well below the other top big men in almost every area. Especially shocking is his lack of explosion jumping off one foot. His one-step vertical was only a half inch more than his standing vertical. That was, by far, the worst in the camp.

One of the main characteristics of the "great white stiffs" in NBA history is that they're tall and nothing else. Even if he's not the most athletically gifted big man, he's still talented in various facets of the game, which sets him apart from the legendary "stiffs" of the league.

[MaD_hAND1e]

How heavy do they bench press? Is it their own body weight?

[J@3]

Andrew Bogut -- He's been trying to dispel the "great white stiff" myth for the past few weeks. This doesn't help. While his vertical leap is actually above average for a guy his size, his lateral quickness and sprinting speed were just awful. That will hurt him defensively.Wayne Simien -- Simien finished well below the other top big men in almost every area. Especially shocking is his lack of explosion jumping off one foot. His one-step vertical was only a half inch more than his standing vertical. That was, by far, the worst in the camp.

One of the main characteristics of the "great white stiffs" in NBA history is that they're tall and nothing else. Even if he's not the most athletically gifted big man, he's still talented in various facets of the game, which sets him apart from the legendary "stiffs" of the league.

You don't understand Andrew. He's not only tall, he's white and foreign! They want to take him with the #1 pick!?!? That means he HAS to be a stiff, ask Bill Simmons he knows all about basketball and Bogut in particular.

[Fenix]

Those MF's take a step before jumping. That's why their verticals are always sky high. F

No kidding, why wouldn't they take a step? It's not like you don't take a step before you jump while playing the game.

There's a difference between your 'standing' vertical leap (both legs) and if you take a step (one leg) and it shows in a few inches added. In Europe we measure vertical leap without taking a step. At least we did it.

BTW, they put 185 pounds on for the bench press test. Looking at the results, they all seem like a bunch of wussies to me . But of course, they have abnormally long arms and they have to have that explosive strength.

Concerning Bogut, he does have substandard results. Just read the Ford's comment (not that Chad Ford's opinion actually counts ).

Top of the Treviso camp:

Height: Roman Gomenyuk, 7-4
Standing Reach: Obi Kenechukwu, 9-7
Weight: Volodymir Orlenko, 260 pounds
Wingspan: Obi Kenechukwu, 7-6
Vertical jump (standing): Olivier Iilung, 32 inches
Vertical jump (w/approach): Rudy Mbemba, 36 inches

[J@3]

Chad Ford doesn't know jack shit, he's probably the least credible NBA analyist in history. Anyone who's ever played competititve basketball will know that running in a game is entirely different to running silly little athletic drills for tryouts or whatever. Especially if you're a big man.

[Matt]

haha, i have a vertical better than at least 4 dudes up there

that Anrysekvicious or whatever has a pathetic vertical and he cant run for shit.

[Fenix]

haha, i have a vertical better than at least 4 dudes up there

that Anrysekvicious or whatever has a pathetic vertical and he cant run for shit.

And has short arms, small frame and wants to play a PF/SF at 7'3''. Wasn't this guy projected as a top 3 pick at the beggining of the season?

[fgrep15]

How heavy do they bench press? Is it their own body weight?

They bench 185lbs, I just got up to 190lbs last week, and can do 185 about 4 times without struggling, then it's not that good

With the bench press though it doesn't really directly relate to their strength as many ofthese guys have freakishly long arms which makes it a lot harder. Jameer Nelson destroyed it last year, short guy, short arms, and muscular, so it works well for him. JR Bremer was also good when he did it.

I'm pretty dissapointed with some of these guys verticals, my standing vertical is 35.5", and my running off two feet is 38".

Chad Ford doesn't know jack shit, he's probably the least credible NBA analyist in history. Anyone who's ever played competititve basketball will know that running in a game is entirely different to running silly little athletic drills for tryouts or whatever. Especially if you're a big man.

Not neccesarily. For guards it is because not many people can handle the ball effectively while going at full speed, so guards could have a speed test while dribbling instead. With big men though, their timing in these drills should generally correlate to their ability to run the floor defensively and offensively. On the court big men are running openly most of the time, so unless some guys has some terrible stamina and can only run as fast as possible once every 5 minutes then it's a fairly good measure.

[J@3]

On the court big men are running openly most of the time, so unless some guys has some terrible stamina and can only run as fast as possible once every 5 minutes then it's a fairly good measure.

You've also got to take into account that big men will be guarding other big men... I mean it's not as if they're going to be chasing 6'10 Iverson's all over the court. He might struggle with some of the quicker big men but I think he'll be fine with the large majority.

[fgrep15]

Yea of course, it's not like it will make him a liability or something.

Antoine Wright's vertical was very dissapointing at only 29.5", his agility time was low [11.45], and his 3/4 court sprint [3.41] was the third lowest after Diogu and Andrisevikus who are both big men. Not good at all...

Sean May: 33" vert, 11.04 agility, 3.29 Sprint, not bad, he's better than a lot of other guys there, Antione Wright a G/F should be embarassed.

Andrisevikus wants to be a PF/C: 0 reps, 27.5" vertical, he's 7'3" with shoes, but only has a 6'11 1/4 wingspan, things aren't looking too hot for him physically, and his workouts have not been good. He's likely withdrawing again anyways if he hasn't already.

[J@3]

Reading about Andriuskevius's workouts, everytime he got bumped basically he went down. Same happens in Europe apparentely, he gets knocked down on the court pretty much every time he plays. I read something about Marko Lekic or something like that impressing the Knicks, a 6'11 PF and he went 20/20 from 3 in their workout

I think Monta Ellis is disappointing... I mean for a high school PG/SG he's less athletic then the supposedly un athletic Andrew Bogut...

[ManuGinobili!!!]

I read something about Marko Lekic or something like that impressing the Knicks, a 6'11 PF and he went 20/20 from 3 in their workout

sounds like the workout Darko had for Detroit. and we all know how that turned out.

[J@3]

Difference being Lekic is a 2nd round prospect who (if picked by NY) won't rot on the bench for his whole career. Even if he does, a second round pick isn't really do or die for a team.

[maes]

Shocked at Luther Head @ #7 overall...this was a guy many analysts said shouldn't go into the draft he won't get selected.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I would like to measure my own verticle jump as well, then I should be able to laugh at some of these people, but if I don't know what mine is, I can't laugh that mine is better I want to also bench press that 185 lbs, which I probably can't do

[fgrep15]

Joe Graham seems like a stronger Shawn Marion. He did the most reps on bench press with 26, had a 36" vertical [5th best], 4th in the lane agility test, and 1st in the 3/4 court sprint. The results weren't skewed by his bench press, he's just that athletic.

[Matt]

sounds like the workout Darko had for Detroit. and we all know how that turned out.

Darko would have gotten PT if he was on a suck ass team. He's just finished his 2nd year and with Brown expectedly and hopefully out next season we should see more of him. Can't judge a man that doesnt play.

[J@3]

Anyone doubting Bogut's athletisism based on his combine results (Chad Ford, Bill Simmons etc) here's a quote from an interview with Bogut by the guy who runs DraftExpress...

Jonathan Givony: Looking at your combine results…on first glance I actually thought you did fine. Your vertical leap is only a half an inch less than Emeka Okafor’s, and your lane agility time is much better.

Of course he's missing the key difference here... Bogut is white, Okafor is black.

I know there's really no one at the NLSC saying anything about it (although I'm sure they're around somewhere) but Ford and in particular Simmons are overly critical of his combine results. It's funny how people who are paid to actually know about the sport, essentially know fuck all.

[fgrep15]

I actually thought's Boguts numbers were impressive, he's no superman, but about a 34 inch vertical, and fairly good quickness and speed for a center.

[J@3]

Bill Simmons on the other hand...

5. Andrew Bogut
For killing the Bucks franchise when they draft him first overall.

But seriously, did you read Chad Ford's article this week about the NBA combine scores? Bogut finished 66th out of 70 prospects. Sixty-sixth! Chad rated Bogut the No. 1 loser from the process, adding: "While his vertical leap is actually above average for a guy his size, his lateral quickness and sprinting speed were just awful. That will hurt him defensively." Note to everyone in Milwaukee: There's still time. You can prevent this. Start calling the Bucks' front office and tell them to draft Chris Paul.

I know he's supposed to try to be funny blah blah blah but I find it a bit worrying that he's actually paid to write things that are so far off the mark. I've been thinking about getting quotes he's made over the years about NBA players (like his guarantee that Vince Carter was going to get traded to Washington and play with MJ) and emailing them to him. Hmm, awell.

[Andrew]

Add Eric Neel to the list. In a column about Horry's big game he still managed to get a few shots in:

Before the tip Sunday night, I was thinking about draft night, and looking ahead to good times with "Joe Barry Bogut" and "Bogut Country" jokes. After the final buzzer Sunday night, all I could think is: Please, baby please, let this thing go seven.

It'll be great. You, me and Chris Washbogut, all camped in front of the TV for two more games

I wonder if he'd bother to post a retraction if Bogut succeeds.

I know he's supposed to try to be funny blah blah blah but I find it a bit worrying that he's actually paid to write things that are so far off the mark. I've been thinking about getting quotes he's made over the years about NBA players (like his guarantee that Vince Carter was going to get traded to Washington and play with MJ) and emailing them to him. Hmm, awell.

I don't really care for it either, partly because Bogut's Australian but also because I really dislike "analysts" who will make some brash statement prediction in attempt to be funny while ignoring the facts or employing some stupid double standard.