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All-Star Votings so far

Postby GloveGuy on Fri Dec 20, 2002 8:53 am

These couldn't be more fucked up...people voted for Steve Francis and Steve Nash(two guys playing farely well) over Gary Payton(who is practically averaging a double double)...Francis embarassed himself in the all-star game last year and Steve Nash just isn't that good(and needs a haircut..the guy looks like a fuckin gay man)...and now we have Vince Carter who leads the East in voting...this guy's barely played this year and leads the East in all-star votes?...wtf...otherwise the results are pretty fare...i just hope that MJ gets in because it would be fun seeing him against guys more than 10 years younger then him
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Postby Defel on Fri Dec 20, 2002 12:51 pm

I think we go through this every year. All-Star voting is stupid....People are stupid. Payton and the Sonics never get any credit.
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Postby emadhn15 on Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:47 pm

The allstar voting is to make people choose their favourite players and the ones that are most exciting to watch,, if only 2 guys like gary payton then it doesnt mean that he must be chosen and the allstar voting is stupid!!! :roll: comeon its better that we guys choose the players rather than the NBA :!:
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Postby marogi on Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:12 pm

Michael should be in the starting lineup just because he is the greatest and this is his final nba season.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:24 pm

i haven't seen the voting as of yet, but wouldn't Yao Ming be a lock to be starting center in the west if at least half the chinese population cast their biased votes??
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Postby Clinton on Fri Dec 20, 2002 8:13 pm

i haven't seen the voting as of yet, but wouldn't Yao Ming be a lock to be starting center in the west if at least half the chinese population cast their biased votes??


He is apparently very close to beating Shaq out for starting centre. Andrew tells me as close as 9787 votes. It wouldn't just be the Chinese population, it would be the Asian population in general. Then there are the Laker haters and Rocket lovers who automatically give Ming the vote.

Michael should be in the starting lineup just because he is the greatest and this is his final nba season.


He should make the team on votes from the coaches. But Carter and Hill are currently ahead of him in the way of votes. MJ does have good odds on his side. The two players standing between him and a starting spot are two of the most injury prone in the league.
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Postby MC Hao on Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:10 am

i haven't seen the voting as of yet, but wouldn't Yao Ming be a lock to be starting center in the west if at least half the chinese population cast their biased votes??

At least half the American population cast their biased votes for Kobe Bryant, I dont see you mentioning that. Yao gets what he deserves, he's playing extremely well while adjusting the NBA games. Take a look at his last 8 games' stats and tell me those aren't all-star numbers. This not a Chinese thing, this is not an Asian thing, this is a basketball thing, Yao played well and people voted for him. He's being recognized as one of the best centers in the NBA. When Dirk Nowitzki made the all-star team, he got what he deserved, I dont see people made a big deal out of it because he's German. Yao is not even an all-star yet and you guys are making a big deal out of it. I mean how do you know all his votes came from the Chinese or Asians? People dont put down their names when they vote, people dont put down their nationality when they vote, it could be anybody. Americans, Africans, British, Pakistanis, Japanese, Chinese, anybody! How could you positively know those votes are only from the Chinese or Asians?

All I want to say is Yao Ming is playing well and he's going to get what he deserves whether he makes the all-star team or not.
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Postby air gordon on Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:09 am

i had a feeling there was going to be a reaction such as the previous post....

i believe yao ming belongs on the all star team beacuse he has EARNED it. i understand what you are saying, llamaj Mim.

i'm not making a big deal of his nationality. in my mind, i felt it was worth mentioning his nationality considering his homeland is the most populated country in the world, thus having the possibility to gather many all star votes.

in a way, this ming situation is similar to ichiro suzuki's situation in the all star baseball voting. he deserved to be on the team based on his talent but i'm sure he received extra votes from his homeland.

go bulls!
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Postby bishibashiboy on Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:40 am

honestly...i believe these things are a joke..
it's all a popularity contest...
i definitely believe carter doesn't deserve any place on the all-star roster..unless he plays for at least a fair amount of games before the break and puts up all-star calibre numbers..this guy was once good..but now is just sad watching him...and seeing that tons of fans for no reason at all like to make him a starter...he has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve being a starter.

go yao ming!
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Postby TheBob on Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:49 pm

As long as Carter is healthy he deserves a place on the all-star team. People go on about earning the right to play in the all-star game but those people have lost perspective. The game in question is nothing more than a fancy over hyped pick up game for the fans to see the most exciting players play together. Think it's a coincidence that the only players to top all star voting for 3 years or more are all or were all great dunkers (Carter, Erving and Jordan)? Really guys, no matter what kind of numbers players like Abdur-rahim or Terry put up do you really want to see them in an All-star game? I know I dont....
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Postby Rens on Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:14 pm

People seem to forget that the voting for starters for the All-Star game IS a popularity contest. They don't let the fans vote for it for nothing... if the most populair players start, more people will watch. Would you like it if there would be some team picked by coaches that's so boring to watch that you turn off your tv?
That being said, Carter in my opinion doesn't deserve to start based on his play this season. Maybe he'll put on a strong performance when he returns (again).
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Postby Glyyde on Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:37 pm

glove guy, Steve Francis & Steve Nash is not 2 guys playing farely well... those 2 are indeed one of the best PG in NBA right now.....

lets do a comparison here....
Payton 22.1ppg, 4.6rpg, 9.4apg, 1.58spg, 40.8mpg
Francis 23.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 6.0apg, 1.79spg, 42mpg
Nash 18.8ppg, 2.6rpg, 7.3apg, 1.44spg, 33.1mpg

looks at the stats.... it doesn't looks to me that those are farely well player when comparing to Payton..... Nash might not have a good looking stats but he also play 7 min less than payton......

Francis, his assist number is going up recently as others rockets player are hitting shots.... and Yao Ming & mobley is scoring a lot for the Rockets, that again, takes away stats from Francis....last years all-star game... Francis is having Migraine attack, do u expect him to be able to play well?

though, I agree Gary Payton is a very good PG also..... well, like lots of ppl says here, its a popularity contest..... but if u want to consider stats wise, Francis can go head to head with payton.....
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Postby TheBob on Sun Dec 22, 2002 4:01 am

Glyyde wrote:but if u want to consider stats wise, Francis can go head to head with payton.....

Apg To Fg%
Payton 9.4 2.46 .477
Francis 6.0 4.00 .434

From these stats you can tell that Payton is far more efficient than Francis. If Francis keeps up hi current pace he'll have a career worst year in TO's and assists. Now correct me if I'm wrong but these seem like fairly important stats for a PG and if he hasn't been an all-star every year he shouldnt make it while posting career lows in those categories. Meanwhile, Payton is having his best assist per game season ever. Just some things to consider.

P.S. does anyone else think that Francis has too much of a scorer's mentality for a point guard? Most people would acknowledge that he's a top tier 1 but those assist numbers are quite poor for a player of his quality.
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Postby air gordon on Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:42 am

about francis having a too much of a scorer's mentality for a PG....

the offensive system and the team's makeup factor in heavily on what kind of point guard the team needs. (think this was discussed before in the previous nlsc board sorry).

4 TO's a game is pretty bad though
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Postby TheBob on Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:03 am

Well they do have Mobley, Ming, Griffin, Taylor etc. on the team so they're not exactly lacking scorers. Maybe those numbers will start to go down now that Ming's getting more touches...
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Postby Glyyde on Sun Dec 22, 2002 1:49 pm

Francis assist is indeed low for a PG his capability.... but just look at how Houston runs their offense now.... it will either start with Yao Ming, or Francis.... and they move the ball a whole lot...... they starts to play like how Kings play..... just look at the Kings, their players dun average more than 5 apg.....

true the rockets are not the kings, but they do spread the ball around a whole lot more than what they normally do.....

Francis TO number are high..... Jkidd also average 3.58TPG..... one thing to consider, its not the PG prob that their TO numbers are high....sometimes u have to take count that the other players can't seems to catch.... that happens quite frequently.....

actually Francis assists number went a little higher compare to the start of the season ever since Ming gets more touches.... they both complement each other well.... Rockets have scorer, but early in the season, they just flat out can't score much.... u can't expect Francis to have a high assist numbers when he and cat are the only one averaging a FG higher than 40% early in the season....
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Postby Matt on Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:07 pm

simply put, the All-Star voting is a popularity contest
It's based on who fans want to see play most and not on who is the best

Vince Carter doesn't deserve it this year and he's leading the votes.
Payton deffinately is the Wests best PG and Ming will make it to the All-Star game whether through coaches or fans. Michael Olowokandi is probably most likely to knock off Ming, he averages 14 and 9.9 but he plays 14 minutes more than Ming
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Postby champ on Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:19 am

i don't think any coach in the league (unless a biased clipper coach) would put Kandy ahead of Ming.
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Postby . on Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:17 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:People seem to forget that the voting for starters for the All-Star game IS a popularity contest. They don't let the fans vote for it for nothing... if the most populair players start, more people will watch. Would you like it if there would be some team picked by coaches that's so boring to watch that you turn off your tv?
That being said, Carter in my opinion doesn't deserve to start based on his play this season. Maybe he'll put on a strong performance when he returns (again).


I rather see boring players who worked hard 2 make the team then players who can make awesome dunks or break ankles.
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Postby Rens on Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:39 am

Kobe4mvp wrote:I rather see boring players who worked hard 2 make the team then players who can make awesome dunks or break ankles.

Maybe your sense of justice tells you that, but I doubt you'd enjoy watching a boring all-star game.
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Postby Glyyde on Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:22 pm

it is true that the starters are a popularity contest..... and the reserves are indeed the GENUINE all-star..... though this is not to say that those starters are not all-star..... most of them are a real all-star....but there's some exception like Carter (not to say he is not good, but this season he is basically spending his time in the IR list)
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Postby EGarrett on Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:28 am

It's not the All-Hardworking team...or the All-Good Player team...it's the All-Star team. Stars are people who the public likes and recognizes. That's why you ask the public to vote for the starters.

I think you guys' problem is that you're imagining the All-Star team as something it isn't...it's nothing but a marketing tool for the league and a pickup game played for entertainment. Just vote for who you want to see...the coaches will fill out the rest of the rosters with players they like...which they like for different reasons then the fans.
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Postby T_McGrady on Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:34 am

Wouldn't it kick ass if we can vote for 5 starters and 5 bench for each conference? That would kick SO MUCH @$$. Right now my votes:

East:
Ben Wallace
Kenyon Martin
Antoine Walker
Tracy McGrady
Jason Kidd

West:
Yao Ming
Rasheed Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Gary Payton

Yeah, my votes seem like i have bad taste but that's cuz
1) if I voted Shaq then the game would be as one sided as that adidas commercial where Kobe versed this kid 1 on 1, plus Yao's improving,
2) Duncan's THE most boring player in the world to watch, and
3) Jason Kidd + Kenyon Martin = lotsa a good times :)
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Postby T_McGrady on Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:09 am

Llamaj Mim wrote:
i haven't seen the voting as of yet, but wouldn't Yao Ming be a lock to be starting center in the west if at least half the chinese population cast their biased votes??

At least half the American population cast their biased votes for Kobe Bryant, I dont see you mentioning that. Yao gets what he deserves, he's playing extremely well while adjusting the NBA games. Take a look at his last 8 games' stats and tell me those aren't all-star numbers. This not a Chinese thing, this is not an Asian thing, this is a basketball thing, Yao played well and people voted for him. He's being recognized as one of the best centers in the NBA. When Dirk Nowitzki made the all-star team, he got what he deserved, I dont see people made a big deal out of it because he's German. Yao is not even an all-star yet and you guys are making a big deal out of it. I mean how do you know all his votes came from the Chinese or Asians? People dont put down their names when they vote, people dont put down their nationality when they vote, it could be anybody. Americans, Africans, British, Pakistanis, Japanese, Chinese, anybody! How could you positively know those votes are only from the Chinese or Asians?

All I want to say is Yao Ming is playing well and he's going to get what he deserves whether he makes the all-star team or not.


Many Asian people have this "Asian pride" thing, which I personally think is stupid (even though I'm Chinese). They are therefore biased for Yao Ming to be in the All-Star game, and would object even more if some big fella who has size advantage and "no skill" replaces Yao in the All Star game. True, not all people who vote for Yao are Asian, but don't be surprised if you see vote results from China (if that can happen) placing Yao above Shaq.

Dirk Nowitski is different. He might be German, but most people just categorize him as white, and we did have a lot of THAT in the past. But Asians being in the NBA is totally new, so people are making a big deal outta it.

And what's all this beef with Kobe?
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Postby Cudacke on Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:45 am

T_McGrady wrote:And what's all this beef with Kobe?


Voted to be on the all-star team years ago Kobe was while still sitting on the lakers' bench.
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Postby GloveGuy on Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:59 pm

Yeah Kobe gettin the start when he was a role player was pretty much bullshit. I don't vote for guys that I know everyone else would vote for(i.e. Kobe, Vince, McGrady, Grant Hill). I'm actually surprised that Ming wasn't ahead of Shaq since he basically has all of Asia behind him. I like seeing all the scorers out there at the same time because once you put them on a team where they're all the number one option, their true skills come out.
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Postby MC Hao on Tue Dec 31, 2002 2:11 pm

T_McGrady wrote:Many Asian people have this "Asian pride" thing, which I personally think is stupid (even though I'm Chinese).

Well, maybe you have lost your pride or you are one of those ABC's (American Born Chinese) who doesn't have pride at all and discrimninates their own people. I have Asian pride and you know why? Because I am Asian, I never forget who I am, I fight for my honors and be proud of what I am. Pride is something nobody can take away from me, even when I am dead I will still have my pride. I was born Asian and I will die Asian, no matter what. If you personally think pride is stupid, then I am going to tell you you are one stupid motherf*cker to think that. You not only disrespected your own race, you also made yourself an enemy against your own race. You might talk like somebody else, you might think like somebody, you might even act like somebody else, but you will never be that somebody else. You are what you are, so accept it. If you don't then go f*ck yourself, because we Asians don't want a disgrace like you in our family tree. I am an Asian with lots of pride and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Peace.
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Postby TheBob on Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:07 pm

Maybe this thread should be closed...
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Postby squidy37 on Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:41 pm

i don't know about everyone in asia backing yao.. maybe china.. but even if they have 1 billion people, how many of them actually have computers?? not to be dissing chinese people or anything.. if a korean player was in the nba tho, that would be another story =p since korea is the most wired country in the world.. I don't see many koreans getting excited about yao being on the allstar team. In fact most of them won't like that, if they care at all. Koreans have a korean pride thing going.. hehe (korea beat china in the asian games)

even after all that being said, yao should make the allstar team. i don't think he should make it over shaq tho.. by the all star game, lakers will be .500+ and shaq will be shaq again.
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Postby TheBob on Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:02 pm

Ya but I think most people would rather wtach Ming than Shaq anyways, I know I would. It's like style VS substance really, Ming being the style...
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Postby Drex on Wed Jan 01, 2003 1:14 am

for the all-star, shaq is gonna get "injured"......again
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Postby T_McGrady on Wed Jan 01, 2003 1:53 am

Llamaj Mim wrote:
T_McGrady wrote:Many Asian people have this "Asian pride" thing, which I personally think is stupid (even though I'm Chinese).

Well, maybe you have lost your pride or you are one of those ABC's (American Born Chinese) who doesn't have pride at all and discrimninates their own people. I have Asian pride and you know why? Because I am Asian, I never forget who I am, I fight for my honors and be proud of what I am. Pride is something nobody can take away from me, even when I am dead I will still have my pride. I was born Asian and I will die Asian, no matter what. If you personally think pride is stupid, then I am going to tell you you are one stupid motherf*cker to think that. You not only disrespected your own race, you also made yourself an enemy against your own race. You might talk like somebody else, you might think like somebody, you might even act like somebody else, but you will never be that somebody else. You are what you are, so accept it. If you don't then go f*ck yourself, because we Asians don't want a disgrace like you in our family tree. I am an Asian with lots of pride and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Peace.


What I meant by "Asian pride" isn't just pride in being Asian, it's considering other races to be inferior, which IS what some Asians think. You know what many of the bad Asians where I think think about that? They're racist against non Asians (kinda like what Hitler was like against non Germans). That's what's wrong. Think about it.

Yeah I'm proud of being Asian but not to the point where I won't be friends with anybody else that's non Asian. Didn't make it clear but the arrogant Asians I know labeled this as "Asian pride". Peace

BTW I'm not an ABC.
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Postby MC Hao on Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:01 am

So you are saying we Asians are voting for Yao just because we don't like other races? Well, that's what you think, that's not a fact. So why don't you show me some facts instead saying that out of your own brain? If we Asians are racist like that, we wouldn't be even watching the NBA or give a sh*t about the All Star voting, since it's filled with non-Asians. I don't know about you but I have never seen an Asian that would say "oh, he's white, let's go kick his ass" or "oh, he's black, let's make fun of him", not me, not my friends, not any Asians that I know of. We are nice people, we make friends with everybody regardless of their race, we are the least racist people in the world. I don't have the facts to back that up, but you can go around and ask non-Asians what they think of Asians, and I bet that majority of them will say Asians are nice people.
but even if they have 1 billion people, how many of them actually have computers??

Good point, and that's not dissing. Computers and Internet do cost a lot in China.
I don't see many koreans getting excited about yao being on the allstar team.

I don't see other Asians getting excited either, except Chinese.
Koreans have a korean pride thing going.. hehe (korea beat china in the asian games)

That was a good game, some of you guys deserve a spot in the NBA.
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Postby scubilete on Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:11 am

I don't know if there's a lot of Asian voting in the All Star Ballot, what I know is Yao has a lot of fans, when the NBA.com reported a huge leading as Yao the best 7+ footer in the NBA at the moment over Dirk, when I believe is Dirk, shows me that Yao has a lot of fans, maybe chinese or I don't know, maybe they are from Africa but he has a good croud behind him. Or maybe is his family that spend the whole day getting online to vote for him using fake emails, :lol: , who knows?
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Postby TheBob on Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:37 am

Llamaj Mim wrote: I don't know about you but I have never seen an Asian that would say "oh, he's white, let's go kick his ass" or "oh, he's black, let's make fun of him", not me, not my friends, not any Asians that I know of. We are nice people, we make friends with everybody regardless of their race, we are the least racist people in the world. I don't have the facts to back that up, but you can go around and ask non-Asians what they think of Asians, and I bet that majority of them will say Asians are nice people.


Maybe it's just me but you do sound like you believe Asians are superior thus making you racist. How can you say that Asians are less racist than any other people? That's rediculous, there's no way to verify that. With every post you're making yourself sound worse.
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Postby MC Hao on Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:55 am

As I said I don't have the facts to back that up, it's only an opinion. And I said he can go ask other people's opinions as well. Even if some Asian thinks his/her kind of people are superior, that won't make them racist, they're just cocky. I am simply saying Asians are nice people, they are not racist like T_McGrady said. If I offended you in anyway, I am sorry. If you think I am being racsit, then I can't help it, since I can't control what you think.
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Postby TheBob on Wed Jan 01, 2003 8:23 am

Llamaj Mim wrote: Even if some Asian thinks his/her kind of people are superior, that won't make them racist, they're just cocky.


Wrong, racism is the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Llamaj Mim wrote: If you think I am being racsit, then I can't help it, since I can't control what you think.


You can and you do control what I think of you to a certain extent seen as the only way I know you is through what you write on this forum. If you post statements that lead me to certain conclusion that demonstrates your control over my view of you.
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Postby MC Hao on Wed Jan 01, 2003 9:29 am

I never had the thought of Asians being superior to other people, therefore I am not racist. I don't know how you consider me saying Asians are nice people is racist, I don't know how your logic work. You can continue to think that, I am not going to stop you. An ignorant person like you is not worth my attention. Peace.
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Postby Cudacke on Wed Jan 01, 2003 10:51 am

I don't see anything wrong with Yo might have more vote than Shaq.

First, Yo can play, and play pretty good so far, and he is popular!
(It is on voting page says "Select your favority player", I don't see why a person's favority player needs to be the best.)

Second, it's not the first time a guy in the NBA who is not really the best man in a position being voted to be the starter. remeber kobe?

Third, Are you going to tell me that a Seattle Fan would perfer to vote for John Stockton rather than Gary Payton in the point guard position even if they both are in their best shape? Is this some kind of racist ?

Therefore, I don't see why it is such a big deal that a Chinese woruld vote Yo rather then Shaq. BTW, if Chinese or Asain are really racist, Yo would definiently not be the first Chinese who would start for the All-Star game. remember Mr. Wang in LAC ?

ps. I am from Taiwan, and I do think I am as a Chinese.
I did vote for Yo, and I never liked Shaq.
But racist?? or Asian pride??
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Postby emadhn15 on Thu Jan 02, 2003 2:43 am

from what I have read until now about racism, I think that The Bob makes much more sense than Llamaj Mim. Llamaj Mim you are just an aggravated guy :?
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Postby Cudacke on Thu Jan 02, 2003 3:24 am

emadhn15 wrote:from what I have read until now about racism, I think that The Bob makes much more sense than Llamaj Mim. Llamaj Mim you are just an aggravated guy :?


But, it is never really a racism isue, isn't it ?

If the idea of supporting a "home town boy like player" such as Ming for a Chinese is considered as racism. Then, the whole idea of people sopporting a home team in the sport world is one of the biggest racism act.

By far, there is no proof that support the idea that there is such thing as "Asian Pride" that mentioned by T_McGrady. There is also no proof that Asians are less of a racist. These two idea with no prove both sound just stupid to me.
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Postby kobryant on Thu Jan 02, 2003 3:43 am

the nba is already taking actions about the chinese population might all vote for yao. so its all equal

here is my all-star predictions

WEST
C Superman
PF Tim Duncan
SF KG
SG Kobe
PG The Glove

EAST
C Big Ben
PF K-Mart
SF MJ
SG AI
PG The Whizz Kidd
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Postby squidy37 on Thu Jan 02, 2003 12:00 pm

we make friends with everybody regardless of their race


Asians do not become friends with everyone or is nice to everyone.. asians ALWAYS stick together. It's even more so in that koreans have mostly korean friends, and chinese people have mostly chinese friends. I don't know where you live man.. but you're TOTALLY wrong there. I don't know a single asian person that has more white friends.
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Postby Cudacke on Thu Jan 02, 2003 12:44 pm

squidy37 wrote:
we make friends with everybody regardless of their race


Asians do not become friends with everyone or is nice to everyone.. asians ALWAYS stick together. It's even more so in that koreans have mostly korean friends, and chinese people have mostly chinese friends. I don't know where you live man.. but you're TOTALLY wrong there. I don't know a single asian person that has more white friends.



Languages, customs, and habits are some of the reasons that seperate people into groups. But, this is still not a racism issue, nor whether a person's willingness of making friend according to his race. It is really about how well two people can communicate or understand each other.
One may not taking acount of race when making friends but it doesn't mean languages, customs, or habits would be negleted.
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Postby Rens on Thu Jan 02, 2003 9:35 pm

squidy37 wrote:
we make friends with everybody regardless of their race


Asians do not become friends with everyone or is nice to everyone.. asians ALWAYS stick together. It's even more so in that koreans have mostly korean friends, and chinese people have mostly chinese friends. I don't know where you live man.. but you're TOTALLY wrong there. I don't know a single asian person that has more white friends.

That's human nature man, when I studied this subject in school it turned out that nearly all ethnic groupds flock together when out of their own country. It makes people feel safe and comfortable when being surrounded by "trusted" people.
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