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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:11 am

Marco20 wrote:
air gordon wrote:Dieng not so much. He still puts up good numbers when he's actually getting the time. To be fair Taj is playing well too


But Dieng's contract is huge specially if you consider big men are having a hard time getting paid lately. 4 years / $64M.

yeah that's a lot of money but the guy can play. its not like Deng or teammate Pekovic who are both rotting away on the bench (a few year now for PekPek). Does PekPek even go to the games anymore? same with deng?

Lol@magic. oh the more media savy Pelinka stepping in, trying to save face. maybe that's why Magic got fined.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:34 am

Andrew wrote:Luka Dončić?

just catching this... that's a pipe dream

tbh just someone at replacement level ability.. like a robin lopez type @sf. dont care if it's filled via free agency or trade. get it done
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:24 am

Probably the more realistic scenario. One can dream, but there's some stiff "competition" when it comes to tanking right now. Not that having the worst record guarantees the first pick, anyway. Maybe they'll have better luck beating the odds, so to speak.

It's strange that Magic doesn't have more media savvy. I mean, he's a reasonably smart and charismatic guy, a successful businessman, and he does have a history in broadcasting.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:55 am

Yep a lot of teams will be in it. Last chance to before the new anti tanking rules go in effect.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:00 am

shadowgrin wrote:Watched that Shaq-Kobe special.

We all know the trade that almost sent him to the Bulls in 2007 but Kobe mentioned another earlier instance of him going to the Bulls in 2004.

I'm guessing it might have involved Jamal Crawford, Tyson Chandler (doubt it would be Eddy Curry since Shaq would still be with the Lakers), 3rd pick in the draft (which became Ben Gordon), and some fillers to match salaries, maybe even Hinrich or the rookie Duhon since the Lakers needed a PG then.

slow news day. the local radio/pod guys are talking about it

bryant was at the peak of his adulterer and possible rape status. that would just be nutso to have to cheer for that guy
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:03 pm

So the tank war begins seriously now.

The Bulls have 8th worst record in the league as of now, this is gonna be fun. More reasons to play Payne.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 pm

There was one particularly ugly sequence from both teams that was making the rounds on social media. Bulls did the job, in the wrestling sense on this occasion.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:29 am

kudos to Portis. guy is a rotation player in this league
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:49 pm

Vicious.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:03 pm

So Robin Lopez is a healthy DNP rest of the way? Does Felicio have a future in this league? Thought his ceiling as a bench warmer on a bad team and not a rotation player on contender.

Looks like Cameron Payne is in the rotation now that he's healthy. Dunn and Payne rest of the way, let's go.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:08 pm

Markkanen, LaVine, and Dunn have the brightest futures in my estimation. I don't have high hopes for Felicio.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 am

Andrew wrote:Markkanen, LaVine, and Dunn have the brightest futures in my estimation. I don't have high hopes for Felicio.

Giving him such a big contract was a mistake I believe. I mean, he looks like the sort of player that could bring some solid energy off the bench for the right system. That is good but he got paid as a potential long term starting solution I think.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:43 am

NovU wrote:So Robin Lopez is a healthy DNP rest of the way? Does Felicio have a future in this league? Thought his ceiling as a bench warmer on a bad team and not a rotation player on contender.

Looks like Cameron Payne is in the rotation now that he's healthy. Dunn and Payne rest of the way, let's go.

definitely a fixture on the payroll. $8mil per. not so bad or good. more importantly keeps the tank moving

Nwaba almost has to chill out or he's going to play himself into a decent contract the bulls won't pay
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:29 am

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Andrew wrote:Markkanen, LaVine, and Dunn have the brightest futures in my estimation. I don't have high hopes for Felicio.

Giving him such a big contract was a mistake I believe. I mean, he looks like the sort of player that could bring some solid energy off the bench for the right system. That is good but he got paid as a potential long term starting solution I think.


With the way salaries have ballooned, it probably wasn't that bad. At least it was only for a couple of years, so they're not on the hook for too long.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby NovU on Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:29 am

NBA Warns Bulls to Stop Resting Healthy Players Robin Lopez, Justin Holiday



So 3 worst teams will share 14% chance of landing top pick now. Don't need to be the absolute worst.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 am


if the NBA really care about tanking they should develop a formula based on advanced stats and establish a range outside of which you are considered to be tanking. Maybe it sounds silly but the way they are handling it, just seems to me like they are pointing fingers at random people to make them look bad instead of themselves.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:08 am

Marco20 wrote:

if the NBA really care about tanking they should develop a formula based on advanced stats and establish a range outside of which you are considered to be tanking. Maybe it sounds silly but the way they are handling it, just seems to me like they are pointing fingers at random people to make them look bad instead of themselves.


Crap, I'll have to stop using the very cheap Felicio in daily fantasy. I was looking forward to stacking my lineups around him.

They can't base it off of advanced stats, no way they could. It's also pretty obvious when teams are tanking (Chicago is a perfect example). But, just like steroid abuse, they can't bust everybody guilty in the league for it, otherwise you would have a lot of players suspended and it would look horrible for the league, and some of these players are probably big marketable names. So instead, they make it a point to use a player as an example (often times one you wouldn't expect, like Hedo Turkoglu) with the appearance of cracking down on it. The Bulls are that example in the tanking game.

Dallas never looked like they were tanking, and maybe they never did (Cuban said to Dr J that he had just discussed it with them at a dinner), unless you think them playing Maxi Kleiber was tanking... I don't think it was. That roster is just not very good.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:00 am

I guess the league can really only punish the most egregious examples, and when you've got a team that stopped playing a couple of healthy players more than twenty games out from the end of the regular season, it's rather obvious. You could argue that there's a legitimate reason for not playing healthy players, since it's not as though players don't fall out of the rotation, and if those guys aren't part of their future plans, it makes sense to give others a chance to see what they can do, and whether they should be kept around. Of course, it is quite obviously part of a tanking agenda, so the league probably isn't buying that one.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:29 am

i think it's laughable to tell the bulls to "play" average players like holiday & lopez. will the league start monitoring minutes played next? the tank rolls on anyway and even CP22 had a good game
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:24 am

A victory over the Hawks doesn't help the situation. Time to bring Eddie Robinson out of retirement.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:21 pm

With today's win, they've overtaken the Knicks. I'm reminded of "The Losing Edge" episode of South Park.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:15 am

Cameron Payne has been getting subtle boos from the crowd whenever he enters the game (In Chicago), but he's actually producing a bit shockingly.

Maybe he is a little more than Russ's old dance partner.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:14 am

He is producing some career highs, but that isn't saying a whole lot.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:25 am

Sam Smith recaps John Paxson's exit interview

“The majority of this team and roster is going to come back,” Paxson said during a morning media conference in the Advocate Center. “Robin is obviously an important piece to our future. I feel really good about going into next season with Kris Dunn as our starter and Cameron Payne as our backup. I probably haven’t spoken enough about Lauri today. He is a cornerstone. Kris Dunn had stretches where he was terrific. But again he has to improve.”


I don't share his confidence in Cameron Payne.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:18 am

When gar forman is not speaking at these and the anger from the dumbass moves from recent years subsides… you appreciate Paxson’s honesty and candor

I can do without the payne topic. I dont think the media was going to troll pax and ask about him but still he went ahead and shared his thoughts

I stopped watching after around all star break. Maybe last game i watched start to finish was against the t’wolves

Overall i thought it was an ok season. Im not sure if this is an indictment on the league but really.. I think the bulls contend for a playoff spot if they keep Niko and above replacement players like Lopez and Holiday didn’t sit out. Not that i’m advocate for that to happen this season but it’s a good sign for Dunn & Lauri.

Disappointed Dunn, Lavine, and Lauri couldn’t get a lot time on the court together.

Encouraged with Dunn’s improvement but still are questions on how him and Lavine fit together.

These 3 seem like good pieces but i don’t think these are franchise type players. Maybe Lauri out of the 3 has the potential but still has to show more.

odds are against them finding that player @pick 7.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:12 pm

The tanking looked better when they were 3-20, but at least they didn't end up contending for a Playoff spot. Let's see what kind of savvy they have in the Draft...and what kind of luck they have in the lottery.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:55 pm

Couple of positives (won't mention the negatives, too many) I took away from Paxson's presser...
1. Lauri is the cornerstone to build around - Kid ticks the boxes, has great potential. Good rookie season. I wouldn't say he's a franchise player but he's got enough talent to maybe become a 3rd or even 2nd option on a playoff regular side in the future.
2. Will look for a wing in the draft - Some hope regarding Doncic. I doubt our odds in the lottery but anything can happen, and imo they should trade the farm to move up and select Doncic. Trade multiple picks if that's what's necessary. He's that good.

....and that's about it, I can't think of another positive.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:57 am

no love for portis? the guy is a rotation player. even valentine proved himself.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:25 am

early thoughts on who the bulls should pick?
valor likes doncic. i'm neither a believer or non believer in him. in all honestly i haven't followed him or the college game this year other then the tourney

mikal bridges skillset seems to make the most sense as he does fill the team's biggest need and does fit management's preference of drafting players from strong college programs

someone like michael porter even with the his injury risk is an intriguing prospect.

pretty sure they pick grayson allen with the NOR pick :lol:
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:15 am

Valor has sold me on Doncic. Beyond that, I'm not sure, and open to suggestions as to who else is viable. If they do pick Allen, he'll fit right in with their policy of indefinite suspensions.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:57 am

what sells you on his game? and what would you be willing to trade to move up to get him?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:55 am

Anyone but Markkanen, basically.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:49 pm

Well ok. Doncic or bust
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:56 pm

I'd like to make a snarky comment along the lines of with GarPax running the show, "bust" seems like an inevitable outcome. However, I do have to give them credit for the Markkanen pick. I can't shake the pessimism that they'll find a way to make blunders that outweigh any good moves they make, but as far as good moves are concerned, right now I'd say that drafting Markkanen qualifies as one.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:34 am

oh c'mon. i set that one up perfectly for you
Andrew wrote:Gladly, as soon as they give me reason to feel more positive about them.

you see this guy's per 36 and 3pt% the last 2 months :x
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Postby Jackie Kong on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:38 am

That picture looks like a dumb injury about to happen. :facepalm2:
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:42 am

Nothing will be as dumb as Pervis Ellison dropping a coffee table on his foot or Dino Radja being stung on the lip by a bee (during a game, no less), but it's close.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:49 am

Would have been funny if Manu missed any game because of the bat situation, lol.
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Postby Valor on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:59 am

Why I'm sold on Doncic
- Proven winner on the big stage with both his national team and club team. Already a multi-champion which is something we lack in Chicago atm.
- Superb fundamentals that the other draftees simply do not have
- Already a professional
- Most recent season averaged 21-8-7 (per 36) in the toughest league outside the NBA and has been a star since 16, 17. Don't believe any of those American college kids in this draft class can do that in Europe amongst grown men. For comparison, his production has been better than guys like Mirotic, Rubio, and Gallinari when they were in Euroleague.
- Versatile, can shoot, can handle, can pass (fantastic passer in the pick and roll, imagine him and Markkanen doing that all day long)
- Fantastic size and length for a PG/SG (6-8, 230)
- Endorsement of fellow European players who are in the NBA (Porzingis, Dragic etc)
- Has gotten better every year at taking care of the ball
- Fantastic court vision
- Not the greatest athlete but offsets it with skills like a Manu Ginobili
- Still not sold? Just watch a few of his games, like this one
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- Lastly...I just don't like/rate any of the other prospects as much as I do Doncic, he's miles ahead and it's not even close imo.

air gordon wrote: what would you be willing to trade to move up to get him?

Andrew wrote:Anyone but Markkanen, basically.

^ That.

Andrew wrote:I'd like to make a snarky comment along the lines of with GarPax running the show, "bust" seems like an inevitable outcome.

Yep. I have a feeling even if they somehow get #1 they will end up passing on Doncic for this year's version of Anthony Bennett or something. Makes me want to puke thinking about it.
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Postby Jackie Kong on Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:12 am

lol, yeah. Some people compare him to Hezonja but Mario never made an actual impact for Barcelona.
Dondic's numbers are just unreal for someone of his age playing at a very competitive level on Europe . Not even Rubio had this sort of numbers.
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Postby air gordon on Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:27 am

is that anthony randolph in the vid haha

in all seriousness... the lack of athleticism/who can he defend in the nba are legit concerns but he does have an impressive resume. at that age playing that well i can understand why you're all in.

shirley there's a few teams drooling over this kid picking before the bulls ;)

instead of pimping him more and posting vids- let's play the hypothetical anyway-
realistically do the bulls have the assets to get it done and not derail the bulls rebuild further at the same time? specifically what do you offer to get him?! im curious to see. maybe even bring those proposals to the team specific boards over at realgm too
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Postby benji on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:01 am

Doncic has been #1 or #2 in every ESPN mock draft (which is now run by the DraftExpress guys instead of Chad Ford) of the season pretty much.

The only reason he hasn't been #1 for a while is because the Suns took over the #1 slot and literally everyone assumes if they have the pick it's guaranteed to be DeAndre Ayton. Especially since they're already full of young wings.

air gordon wrote:is that anthony randolph in the vid haha

yeah, he had a few minutes of fame earlier in the season when he took shots at the NBA for not recognizing his skills while Europe does, while saying he more or less invented the ballhandling stretch four/five (nobody tell Bob McAdoo) but the NBA didn't care at the time and now it's all the rage (ignoring that he couldn't shoot the three in the NBA or even the 15 footer), then like a week later he got benched or something by his team for not playing hard enough which was always the criticism from NBA coaches, lol

somehow he acquired Slovenian citizenship at some point, he's on their national team now too, had to beat (but not outplay) my boys Ognjen and Boban in the eurobasket final
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:04 am

air gordon,
Last draft Sixers traded their third and a future first for the first overall, assuming we stay pat at 7 we'll have to give up a bit more than that to move into top 3 (probably 2, since everyone's hyped on Ayton) where Doncic should be picked....I would have no problems if we have to give up both our first round picks plus one future unprotected first and a future protected first (4 in total), plus anyone on the roster not named Markkanen as a sweetener. We have enough cap space to fill other needs in FA, getting the next face of the franchise is the most important thing and Doncic-Markkanen is a fantastic foundation to build the team around moving forward. We (Well, GarPax) need to do everything we can do make that happen.

Lack of athleticism is more like lack of elite athleticism, and guys like Manu and Nash who are/were just as crafty and not as athletic did more than alright in their careers. Let's say he plays in the backcourt with Dunn or LaVine, he can guard the bigger/slower matchup and the other will guard the quicker one. At 6-8 230 he can definitely hold his own.

Jackie Kong wrote:lol, yeah. Some people compare him to Hezonja but Mario never made an actual impact for Barcelona.
Dondic's numbers are just unreal for someone of his age playing at a very competitive level on Europe . Not even Rubio had this sort of numbers.

Yep, Hezonja (5.2 ppg for Barcelona) isn't even close to the player that Doncic was from 17 yrs onwards.
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Postby benji on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:19 am

The Sixers were trading with a team coming off a 53 win season and Eastern Conference Finals appearance. And who didn't want a point guard in a draft where the consensus top two picks were point guards.

There's no situation like that in this years draft, all the teams with a greater than 5% chance at a top three pick are just plain bad. And outside of Phoenix, they all would take Doncic without a second thought. Especially Memphis who considers themselves still a playoff team and who he couldn't be more perfect for really.

One further note, the Bulls are more likely to be #6 than #7. Tie-breakers with Sacramento mean the Kings have a 0% chance at being #6.
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Postby Valor on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:38 am

Which is why we'll need to trade the farm and I'll have no problems with it. The above package was just an example, throw in more firsts, take some bad contracts back, trade some of our younger guys with stock. Everything has a price...
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Postby benji on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:55 am

say Memphis gets the pick, why do they want the #6 pick, #22 pick, a protected 2020 first and an unprotected 2022 first, along with Bobby Portis, Denzel Valentine, and Jerian Grant along with you taking on Chandler Parsons contract rather than Doncic?

Atlanta would gladly have you eat Kent Bazemore and Miles Plumlee's deals except they're under the cap massively already with them, and they aren't going to want to drop down to #6

I doubt Orlando would want out of Biyambo's deal bad enough to drop to #6 either

maybe if the Cavs jump up to #2 they'd be willing to do it to stick you with George Hill and J.R. Smith's contracts and land a gaggle of cheapo reserves
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:02 am

much obliged, benji. i thought i did see ant-rand playing in euro tourney this past year. stud.

air gordon wrote:. the lack of athleticism

my error there. lack of elite athleticism i should have said.
Valor wrote:Lack of athleticism is more like lack of elite athleticism, and guys like Manu and Nash who are/were just as crafty and not as athletic did more than alright in their careers. Let's say he plays in the backcourt with Dunn or LaVine, he can guard the bigger/slower matchup and the other will guard the quicker one. At 6-8 230 he can definitely hold his own.

well shoot, really this guy has to have some kind of concerns with his game otherwise the bulls handing over the farm for him wouldn't be enough ;)

those are hall of famers you are comparing him to. if i had a nickel each time someone dropped the "crafty card" to make up for not being so fast jump high....

i don't view lavine as a franchise player but just saying that a defensive pairing of him and lavine is laughable

jokes aside i look forward to seeing him play, in a bulls uniform or not.
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Postby Valor on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:24 pm

air gordon wrote:well shoot, really this guy has to have some kind of concerns with his game otherwise the bulls handing over the farm for him wouldn't be enough ;)

Lack of hype due to not being American or playing in the NCAA where coverage is insane. European talent often goes overlooked and I'm hoping that's what gives us a shot at drafting him (that's if GarPax don't pass on him for a stiff as a result). Obviously if we luck out like we did with Rose in 08 then it'll be the best case scenario.

and no, I don't rate LaVine as a franchise player either, he's at best a sixth man on a ECF calibre team. Dunn-Doncic wouldn't be too bad though.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:06 am

the boys at draftexpress seem to know their stuff. euro talent gets overlooked? while we're generalizing, the knicks picked smokin frank. the kings a few years picked papi no longer in the league opoulus at #12.

the lavine situation is interesting. he didn't do enough (understandingly coming off the injury) to dispel the questions/knocks on his game. the bulls can and mostly likely match what he can get in the open market. still just 23yrs old
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