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Records: Which ones will stand, which ones will be broken?

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:22 pm

Obviously, it's impossible to say that a record will never be broken, but some pose challenges that just seem too great. But let's assume that this season or in the next few years, players will strive to topple the names that are in the record books for great statistical marks. Do any of the records stand a good chance of being broken by today's players?

Most Total Rebounds, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Wilt Chamberlain (23,924)

No active player is even close. Even some of the game's best rebounders are at least 7000 boards fewer than Wilt's totals. I don't see this one being eclipsed any time soon.

Most Blocks, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Hakeem Olajuwon (3,830)

Dikembe Mutombo is the closest active player, but he's still 834 blocks behind and probably won't be around long enough to come much closer to the record.

Most Steals, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: John Stockton (3,265)

Gary Payton is the only active player in the top five, but he's more than 1000 steals short of Stock. The Glove could most likely be top three by the end of his career (assuming he stays in the league for a few more years) but Stock's record is out of reach.

Most Assists, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: John Stockton (15,806)

Assuming Mark Jackson is done, Gary Payton is once again the closest active player to Stock, but the difference between their totals is almost as much as Rod Strickland (the player right after Payton on the career assist leaders) has totalled during his career. Even if Mark Jackson doesn't call it quits, he's still around 5000 assists away from Stock.

Most Points, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)

As we all know, the Mailman is sneaking up on this record, but last season's injury has hurt his chances a little. He'll need to average at least 17.8 ppg to make the record in 82 games. His chances of breaking the record are less likely than they were a couple of years ago, but it could still happen.

Most Total Rebounds, Career (Playoffs)
Current Leader: Bill Russell (4,104)

Just the regular season mark for total career rebounds, no active player is close. With teams grabbing few total rebounds these days, it's difficult to imagine another player shooting up the ranks and knocking off Russell.

Most Blocks, Career (Playoffs)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (476)

After overtaking Kareem in the regular season totals, Hakeem Olajuwon fell just four blocks short of the lead for the playoff career totals. Shaq is third with 313, but I don't see him playing long enough or blocking enough shots to take the lead.

Most Steals, Career (Playoff)
Current Leader: Scottie Pippen (395)

No active player is in the top ten. I think the great players that fill the top ten spots will remain in place for years to come.

Most Assists, Career (Playoffs)
Current Leader: Magic Johnson (2,346)

The top five playoff career assist leaders are Magic, Stockton, Bird, Pippen and (believe it or not) Michael Jordan, all with at least 1000 assists. No active player is in the top ten. I think Magic will reign supreme on the leaders board for quite some time.

Most Points, Career (Playoffs)
Current Leader: Michael Jordan (5,987)

Karl Malone and Shaquille O'Neal are in the top ten, but Malone (assuming he'd appear in every post season game possible this year) would have to average around 44 ppg, or 22 ppg over the next two postseasons - if he played all seven games in each round. It's tough to call scoring records unbeatable - who would have thought Karl Malone would be closing in on Kareem - but like Wilt's 100 points, beating this scoring record would be quite a feat.

Single Game Records (Regular Season)

Most Points: Wilt Chamberlain (100)
I think it can be beaten, but it's highly unlikely because no one else in the history of the game has been given more than 60 field goal attempts in a single game. Other great scorers could probably score 100 or more given the chance, especially now that there's a three point line, but they just won't get the opportunity.

Most Steals: Larry Kenon, Kendall Gill (11)
A lot of players have registered at least 10 steals and Gill tied the record only a few years ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if this record was broken by one of the game's best thieves.

Most Blocks: Elmore Smith (17)
Shaq once blocked 15 shots, perhaps this season he'll have the motivation to beat that record. Still, I think this is going to be a very difficult record to beat.

Most Assists: Scott Skiles (30)
John Stockton once dished out 28 assists, incidentally the same season Skiles set the new record besting Kevin Porter's mark of 29 set back in 1978. I think the offense these days is just too slow and too many players go one-on-one to accomodate so many baskets being scored directly of passes. This one stands for a while.

Most Rebounds: Wilt Chamberlain (55)
I can't imagine this record being broken, simply because most teams don't grab 55 rebounds in total on a consistent basis. Today's game just doesn't provide the opportunity for one player to snare that many boards.

Single Game Records (Playoffs)

Most Points: Michael Jordan (63)
Easier to attain than Wilt's 100 during the regular season, but only two players have come close since MJ set the mark in 1986. Charles Barkley scored 56 points in 1994, while MJ himself also scored 56 in 1992. Allen Iverson dropped 55 in a game during the 2003 playoffs, but this record will probably stand a little while longer.

Most Steals: Allen Iverson (10)
AI is the only person to record double digits for steals in a playoff game. I'd say it can be broken or tied, but we'll see a lot of players coming up with 6, 7, or 8 steals before taking the honour from Iverson.

Most Blocks: Mark Eaton, Hakeem Olajuwon (10)
As with the steals record, there are players who could probably break or tie the record with an outstanding performance but I think the mark is safe for now.

Most Assists: Magic Johnson, John Stockton (24)
As with the regular season record, today's style of play doesn't make it easy for point guards to rack up so many assists.

Most Rebounds: Wilt Chamberlain (41)
Again, same as the regular season record. If NBA teams were averaging about 70 boards per game, we'd probably see more players with 20 and 30 rebounds performances along with the odd 40+ rebound games. As it is, Wilt's made this a very difficult mark to beat.

Those are the most straightforward records, career leaders and single game highs for the five major statistical categories. There are plenty of other records - most three pointers in a game (Kobe, 12), consecutive 50 points games (Wilt, 7) and so on. But I thought I'd leave those to everyone to look up before I comment on them. ;)

So, which records do you think could be broken in the next few years or maybe by some of the young stars who are on the rise?
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Postby Amphatoast on Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:44 pm

all those rebound records won't be broken for now. Just forget it. All those sick numbers, you will need like 3OT to even come close these days.

the playoff points i can see broken soon maybe....kobe got his own team now; lots of i want the ball type players, i see t-mac, kobe, VC, AI (he point guard now, he can pass it to himeself) and a few other stars having a chance at it
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Postby Jowe on Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:44 pm

i'd say the assists in a game record, will be broken.
Quite a few players have gotten 20assists in a game in the past few seasons.
It probably wouldn't be done by one of the pg's though, since they all choose to be scorers these days :roll:


100pts in a single will never be broken, maybe in Shaq in his prime. But not now, a guard wouldn't break it since he would need to shoot at a 70% clip to have a chance.
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Postby j.23 on Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:50 pm

great thread (Y)

total rebounds career: wilt chamberlain
- i don't think anyone's touching that record for a long time, period. unless some 7'5 foot freak comes in the nba and averages 18 boards the rest of his career no one is gonna come close

most blocks career: hakeem olajuwon
- i can see someone like elton brand eclipsing that record, but it would be really really hard to do

most steals: john stockton
- this record is breakable but you need a mr. longetivity. dont count on grant hill to break this record

most assists: career
- see above

most points career: kareem abdul jabaar
- i'm rooting for karl to break this one.. he's so close

most points career (playoffs): michael jordan
- a 33 ppg in the playoffs, thats remarkable.. but if were talking about total points i can see kobe/lebron eclipsing if they stay in the league for a while

single game records:

most points: wilt chamberlain
- this is as possible as earl boykins doing a self alleyoop 360 tomahawk jam with his eyes closed

most steals: larry kenon, kendall gill
- a very breakable record, you don't really have to be a defensive specialist for this to happen.. i'm sure AI, lebron, wade, artest can do this

most blocks: elmore smith
- 17 blocks .. wow.. tough call, but i don't think so

most assists: scott skiles
- i can see it happening if it was a triple overtime game and your point guard was jason kidd/jason williams

most rebounds: bill chamberlain
- yao, yao, yao.. if he gets stronger hopefully

most points playoff game: michael jordan
- allen iverson came close last season.. i can see kobe, t-mac, garnett breaking this

most steals: allen iverson
- very breakable indeed

most blocks: mark eaton/hakeem olajuwon
- tim duncan, yao, jermaine o'neal, elton brand (if he ever gets to the playoffs), garnett

most assists: john stockton
- i already mentioned this above

most rebounds: wilt chamberlain
- yao, big ben, kg .. they need an absolutely good game though
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Postby 50first on Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:18 am

Most Points, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
its possible, but by todays standards a guy would have to play 82 games for 16 seasons injury free and score 30ppg.

Most Blocks, Career (Playoffs)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (476)
not impossible... if a player plays 16 seasons and makes the playoff every season and has an averages of 1 block per game in all 28 games granted that all playoff games go to game seven. that would amount to around 446 blocks... possible

Most Steals: Larry Kenon, Kendall Gill (11)
not an impossible accomplishment.
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Postby Wormy10 on Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:43 am

Wilt's Single season and career points records will not be broken
Maybe the career points but not in a looooong time
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Postby Dogg on Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:38 am

t-mac will broke mj's record in 2005 playoffs:most points in single playoff game...
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Postby . on Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:59 am

If he makes the playoffs
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Postby Dogg on Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:24 am

Mr T wrote:If he makes the playoffs

they will :wink:
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Postby Jackal on Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:30 am

Dogg wrote:they will :wink:


Hehe, his sureness about Houston making the playoffs remind anyone of other fans? Hehe, I'm sorry but LA fans just came into my head, how sure we used to be of Shaq & Kobe. How unstoppable we thought they were.

*sigh* Atleast we've passed the "sure" fan torch to another big-man/gaurd combo.
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Postby hmm on Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:57 am

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Postby j.23 on Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:24 am

Dogg wrote:
Mr T wrote:If he makes the playoffs

they will :wink:


"it feels good to be out of the first round" - t-mac
:lol: :lol:
that makes me laugh everytime i think about that quote, someone forgot to tell him its the first to win 4 that moves on
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Postby Sauru on Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:20 pm

ok time for me to throw my 2 cents in.

most points for a career. this will be broken. with the amount of highschool kids joining the nba it is bound to happen. they basicly will have what, 4 years on kareem to achieve it? eventually a player will emerge who will have a long healthy career and break this one.

most rebounds ever. this probably wont get broken and if it does it will be one of the hardest career ones to break.

most points in a game, wont ever be broken period.

most assists and steals in a career. imo the steals one has a much better chance of being broken, the assists one i think will be safe for a very long time. basketball is a one on one game now and many point guards are basicly just short 2 guards. i think stock got this one wrapped up.


single game rebound record. i would call this the hardest record on the list to break.

now on to the records that bug me.

any record involing blocks. imo i will never honor these records as whatever numbers you throw out at me i will reply with, bill russell raped it 10 times over. its been said that if they actually counted blocks when he first came into the league he probably would have been getting 20-25 a game. thats just damn insane.
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Postby Bill Russell on Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:24 pm

50first wrote:Most Points, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
its possible, but by todays standards a guy would have to play 82 games for 16 seasons injury free and score 30ppg.


Made me drop my jaw... It would be really, really hard to break this record... (N)
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Postby Matt on Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:13 pm

Only a young guy that's say 18 and as a rookie is already getting 20ppg can beat Kareems record....that could well be Melo or Bron but both would have to be 20yrs injury free...unlikely
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Postby j.23 on Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:12 pm

Tales wrote:
50first wrote:Most Points, Career (Regular Season)
Current Leader: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
its possible, but by todays standards a guy would have to play 82 games for 16 seasons injury free and score 30ppg.


Made me drop my jaw... It would be really, really hard to break this record... (N)


had jordan not left in 93-94, 3/4 season of 94-95, 98-99, 99-00, 00-01 i think he would've broke that record
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Postby alexboom on Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:36 pm

Sauru wrote:most points for a career. this will be broken. with the amount of highschool kids joining the nba it is bound to happen. they basicly will have what, 4 years on kareem to achieve it? eventually a player will emerge who will have a long healthy career and break this one.


that's not so obvious. Players coming from High School are weaker than other. NBA is very physicalPlaying in NBA while they didn't finished their physical development means that they could weaken their body, and end their careers at a younger age than other.

but indeed, only time will tell :)
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Postby MaD_hAND1e on Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:37 pm

tombz [j.23] wrote:
Dogg wrote:
Mr T wrote:If he makes the playoffs

they will :wink:


"it feels good to be out of the first round" - t-mac
:lol: :lol:
that makes me laugh everytime i think about that quote, someone forgot to tell him its the first to win 4 that moves on


no no no, you misunderstood Tracy... what he really meant was "to be out of the first round" as in knocked out of the playoffs....
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Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:53 pm

The only career leaders records that could possibly be broken this season are the career totals for points and minutes - Karl Malone could best both marks if he plays and is in the right situation - but in theory, the single game records and streak records are up for grabs. Do you think anyone in the league is capable of breaking those records this season?
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Postby hmm on Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:09 pm

i believe Ben Wallace can break playoff block record for a game.
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Postby Dogg on Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:50 am

Matt wrote:that could well be Melo or Bron

and maybe wade
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Postby j.23 on Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:41 am

what's that crazy double digit scoring streak jordan has? 844?
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Postby Sauru on Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:04 am

dont jordan own the record for most points scored in a row in a game at 23? did someone ever beat that?
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Postby kevC on Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:08 am

alexboom wrote:
Sauru wrote:most points for a career. this will be broken. with the amount of highschool kids joining the nba it is bound to happen. they basicly will have what, 4 years on kareem to achieve it? eventually a player will emerge who will have a long healthy career and break this one.


that's not so obvious. Players coming from High School are weaker than other. NBA is very physicalPlaying in NBA while they didn't finished their physical development means that they could weaken their body, and end their careers at a younger age than other.

but indeed, only time will tell :)


Lebron's pace looks good 20 pts a game in his first season when he's 18 :shock:
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Postby Sauru on Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:16 am

yeah lebron can do it, so can melo. the thing is they have to stay injury free basicly thier whole career and play for a damn long time and infact they have to increase thier average. personally i hope malone dont break the record as i would like to see kareem hold onto it(wtf am i rooting for a laker?). its odd cause i always liked malone. they were my second fav team for along time. i just loved stock and malone but imo the record is better left in kareems hands. actually its a record that should have been broken by jordan but whatever he retired twice and ruined that. kinda reminds me of the all time rushing record in football. if barry never retired he would have raped the record so damn bad it wouldnt even be funny.
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