I pity the foo who thinks VC doesnt want to be traded

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http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story.asp?id=98854

It's official: Vince wants out of Toronto

TSN.ca Staff with Toronto Star files

9/16/2004

It's official: Vince Carter wants out of Toronto.

The Raptors all-star told the Toronto Star on Wednesday that he wants the Raptors to trade him and is frustrated at the pace of trade talks the team has been pursuing.

"It's time for the truth: I want to be traded, I'm ready to be traded," he told the Star. "First and foremost, this has nothing to do with the fans or the city, it's just time for me to look after me."


Related Info
Link to Vince Carter's online letter

Carter's public statement comes just a week after he posted a letter to fans on his official website saying he didn't want to play in Toronto if the team wasn't going to win soon.

An excerpt from that letter read as follows:

"At this moment I will not address the many issues and questions pertaining to the trade rumors. However, as a token of my appreciation to my fans I would like to briefly say that I enjoy playing for you all. My frustration comes from the fact that we have not been able to create an equation to win ball games. I am at the point in my career where I do not have time to wait 2-4 years for a team to mature. I am determined to collectively put myself in a winning environment whether it is with the Raptors or another franchise. After everything is said and done, it all boils down to me wanting to WIN!"

Carter's future with the Raptors was the subject of intense speculation this summer following revelations that the all-star was not consulted about the hiring of a new GM and coach despite those promises made by team executives. Carter chose not to discuss the reports yet, while new Raptors GM Rob Babcock had already said that the five-time all-star is an integral part of the team and wasn't going to be traded.

Carter told The Star that he made it known to Babcock and new head coach Sam Mitchell that he wanted out of Toronto, but wasn't sure that they were shopping him around as aggressively as they could be.

"I want a fair shot at being on the market and being traded and I feel I haven't had that fair shot," Carter told the Star. "This is about doing what's best for me."

Carter played in 73 of Toronto's 82 regular-season games last season and averaged 22.5 points per game. The Raptors finished with a 33-49 record and missed the playoffs for the second consecutive season. The team went 0-9 without Carter.

Since signing a six-year, $90 million US contract extension with the Raptors three summers ago, Carter's status among the game's elite players has diminished. With two seasons riddled by knee injuries, both Carter and the Raptors have failed to meet the same success they enjoyed when they reached the seventh game of the Eastern Conference semifinal in 2001.

He has three years plus an option for a fourth left on his contract, which will pay him approximately $12.6 million US this coming season. Carter is the only high-profile Raptor player to sign a contract extension in Toronto.

Files from The Toronto Star were used for this report.

I knew it, I never believed the bullshit that he didnt want to get traded.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

Damn thats bad news for Raptor fans, I wonder if the Raptors do end up trading him what team he will end up at?

I think Memphis would be a fair option, they have considerable trade bait too. Other teams could be Dallas as there were rumours in their interest in Carter before.

What do you guys think?
If Vinsanity is traded where will he end up?

[Mahoney_jr]

Haha, Vince will end up in Seattle or New Orleans - years away from a ring. Who will throw a package in, like Houston for T-Mac? Good luck, Vince. You'll need it.

[fgrep15]

Haha, Vince will end up in Seattle or New Orleans - years away from a ring. Who will throw a package in, like Houston for T-Mac? Good luck, Vince. You'll need it.

I thought they said he wants to go East [not that it matters]

We should try and swing a deal for Arenas, try and get Arenas, Haywood and Blake for Carter, Alston and someone. Carter can be with Jamison, and we can have a good center [sorry Araujo] and Arenas.

[Rens]

Carter and Moiso
for
Redd, Smith, Gadzuric, Ford

make my day baby!

[fgrep15]

Carter and Moiso
for
Redd, Smith, Gadzuric, Ford

make my day baby!

No way they would even think of it, that's 4 players in their starting lineup, how in the world is Carter close to that.
Carter is just worth slightly more than Redd, and with Redd's contract he has more trade value.

[Amphatoast]

come to NY carter. We got Kurt & Tim Thomas, and Anderson to offer. We can throw Houston into the deal too. Anyone except Marbury

[fgrep15]

come to NY carter. We got Kurt & Tim Thomas, and Anderson to offer. We can throw Houston into the deal too. Anyone except Marbury

Yea sorry New York you're getting nothin, our GM just isn't stupid like that.

Also if Vince went to NY and Marbury wasn't in the deal then it'd probably be Jamal Crawford and Sweetney in like December.
Also let's just get it straight right now, New York is out, Carter just isn't going there, so no NY Tim Thomas and Kurt Thomas for Carter and Marshall trades


Vince Carter and Lammond Murray for Mickael Pietrus, Troy Murphy, Speedy Claxton and Cliff Robinson

Toronto trades: SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.7 minutes)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PG Speedy Claxton (10.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.5 apg in 26.6 minutes)
PF Troy Murphy (10.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.8 minutes)
SG Mickael Pietrus (5.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
PF Clifford Robinson (11.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.2 ppg, +7.5 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

Golden State trades: PG Speedy Claxton (10.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.5 apg in 26.6 minutes)
PF Troy Murphy (10.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.8 minutes)
SG Mickael Pietrus (5.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 14.1 minutes)
PF Clifford Robinson (11.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.7 minutes)
Golden State receives: SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.2 ppg, -7.5 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED




Vince Carter for Corey Maggette, Chris Wilcox and Marko Jaric

Okay this one wasn't working out too well

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.0 minutes)
PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.6 minutes)
SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +15.3 ppg, +8.8 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.0 minutes)
PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.6 minutes)
SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: -15.3 ppg, -8.8 rpg, and -3.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED





Vince Carter and Donyell Marshall for Michael Redd and Keith Van Horn

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Keith Van Horn (16.1 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes)
SG Michael Redd (21.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.6 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -2.3 apg.

Milwaukee trades: SF Keith Van Horn (16.1 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.5 minutes)
SG Michael Redd (21.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 36.8 minutes)
Milwaukee receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED






Vince Carter for Gilbert Arenas and Brnedan Haywood
Okay Washington wouldn't do this, but I just couldn't find a way for salaries to match.

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
Toronto receives: PG Gilbert Arenas (19.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.1 ppg, +4.8 rpg, and +0.8 apg.

Washington trades: PG Gilbert Arenas (19.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.3 minutes)
Washington receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.1 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED






Vince Carter for James Posey, Lorenzen Wright and Earl Watson

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.9 minutes)
Toronto receives: C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.8 minutes)
SF James Posey (13.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PG Earl Watson (5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 5.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.4 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +2.6 apg.

Memphis trades: C Lorenzen Wright (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.8 minutes)
SF James Posey (13.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PG Earl Watson (5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 5.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
Memphis receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
PF Jerome Moiso (2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.2 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -3.4 ppg, -5.9 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED






Vince Carter [12.6 million]


for

Bonzi Wells [7.7 million], Stromile Swift [S&T let's say 7 million] and a 1st round pick [it won't be high anyways, they make the playoffs]

14.7 within 115% is $12,490,500








Vince Carter, Donyell Marshall and Lammond Murray for Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, and Howard Eisley

Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes)
SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.7 minutes)
Toronto receives: SF Shawn Marion (19.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 40.7 minutes)
PG Howard Eisley (6.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.1 apg in 21.8 minutes)
SG Joe Johnson (16.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.4 apg in 40.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +4.0 apg.

Phoenix trades: SF Shawn Marion (19.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 40.7 minutes)
PG Howard Eisley (6.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.1 apg in 21.8 minutes)
SG Joe Johnson (16.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.4 apg in 40.6 minutes)
Phoenix receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games)
PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 82 games)
SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.6 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -4.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Amphatoast]

All-Star guard Vince Carter wants out of Toronto, but the Raptors' new general manager says he isn't going anywhere.

"It doesn't change anything with us," Rob Babcock told The Associated Press on Thursday. "He's under contract with our team. We expect him to fulfill all obligations of the contract."

In his strongest remarks yet, Carter told the Toronto Star in Thursday's editions that "It's time for the truth: I want to be traded." Carter also said in a letter to fans posted on his Web site that he's not eager to wait while the team rebuilds.

"My frustration comes from the fact that we have not been able to create an equation to win ballgames," Carter wrote. "I am at the point in my career where I do not have time to wait two to four years for a team to mature."

Carter remains one of the NBA's most popular players because of his highlight-reel dunks, but he has lost some of his explosiveness over the last four years because of knee injuries.


Carter, who has four years remaining on his contract, ducked questions about his future with the team when he was in Toronto for his annual charity all-star game in July. But Carter's agent, Mark Steinberg, said a week later his client asked the Raptors to explore trade possibilities.

Babcock, hired in June, acknowledged the trade demand is an "issue" for the franchise, but he said "it's not really an issue" because he's under contract.

"Is it the ideal way going to camp? No," Babcock said. "But it's really not the nightmare that other people think it is. Would I'd rather he was here without making any public statements and that he was 100 percent behind everything here, yeah absolutely, but he's under contract and I think Vince is a good person, and I think he'll be professional and do what he's supposed to do and fulfill his job."

Babcock hopes the five-time All-Star will give his new regime a chance. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs the past two seasons and Sam Mitchell will be Carter's third coach in three years.

"If he comes in with an open mind that's all we want," Babcock said. "He hasn't had an opportunity to play under this system and see what it's like to be a part of this basketball team. This is a whole new era."

i guess VC is staying since they don't want to trade him. From a marketing standpoint, its almost impossible to trade VC. Only players Like Kobe, LeBron, McGrady would be near him in marketing and none of them will be traded for him.

[VCFAN]

It's true there really isn't much that can be done with Vince Carter. He is a difficult player to trade cause, you don't know what to expect, whether it be the Carter from 3 years ago, the Carter we have now, or the Carter sitting on the sidelines injured. He fills up seats, and I can't see the Raptors sacrificing that. It seems like other plaers get their wishes granted to them on the spot (eg. T-Mac, Shaq) but Carter always gets the word NO.

Personally I would love to see him go even though I live near Toronto because maybe him leaving can restart his careeer. He might need a new environment to flourish.

[Wormy10]

Yea, I would love to see him traded, to any other team in the league

[Andrew]

The Raptors have the luxury of keeping Carter under contract for a few more years, which might be enough time to either rebuild the team to his liking or wait until a better trade scenario comes along - something that the Magic didn't have with Tracy McGrady.

If I were in Babcock's shoes, I wouldn't be too quick to pull the trigger on any trades involving Carter that are essentially "Get Vince to a team he'd rather be on", because such a deal would almost certainly leave the Raptors at a disadvantage.

[John-John Joe]

Vincent is nothing more than a walking medicine cabinet with an aversion to personal responsibility. He's showed me absolutely nothing over the course of his short less than illustrious career and now he wants to make trade demands?

But hey, your boy Dre ain't the least bit surprised. He is the prototypical "superstar" in today's NBA: What can you do for me? Instead of: What can I do for this team?

Why not think of making the team you're on better instead of demanding a trade to one that's already successful? Lemme guess, his list includes the usual suspects: San Antonio, Minnesota and Denver. Or better yet the high profile teams: New York and Los Angeles.

Vincent, here's a few words of advice: Shut up, stay in Toronto and start taking it to the hole like the Vince we fell in love with in '99. Mike suffered playoff loss after playoff loss for 8 years in this league, could you imagine him demanding a trade to LA, Boston or Detroit?

[Steve04]

There's no way Kobe and VC would work out. VC would be on the injured list as much as Shaq and he doesn't dominate anywhere near as much.

[.]

I wouldnt mind having VC coming off the bench behind Kobe

[John-John Joe]

Steve 04's signature reads: Jackal and Dre should do their own PTI on ESPN. That would be awesome! Good one, Steve.

[Matt]

Vince is a big blubbering vagina. Shut up and play the game.

[John-John Joe]

Vince is a big blubbering vagina. Shut up and play the game.

[J@3]

Vince is a big blubbering vagina. Shut up and play the game.

Lol if Maddox knew how many people steal his jokes he'd probably go on a murderous rampage