82games.com difference makers

[Matt]

http://www.82games.com/comm29.htm

some interesting things are

Kevin Garnett is far and away the class of the NBA, followed by Andrei Kirilenko, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, and Shaquille O’Neal.

According to the data, Jermaine O’Neal is no MVP candidate as the Pacers do just fine when he is not on the floor. They are +6.1 points per 48 minutes with him on the floor, versus +2.1 with him off the floor

interesting

it appears that Denver may be winning despite Anthony rather than because of him. They are +1.9 per 48 minutes with Anthony off the floor and +1.1 with him on it. Their dramatic improvement is mostly due to the improvement of Nenê, the increased minutes of Marcus Camby, and the addition of Andre Miller, Earl Boykins, and Voshon Lenard.

this should shed some light on the Carmelo debate

And Amare Stoudemire and Zach Randolph do not seem to help their teams as conventional wisdom would have it. The Suns go from -2.0 to -3.1 points per 48 minutes when Stoudemire is in the game, and the Blazers go from +1.9 to -0.6 points per 48 minutes when Randolph is in the game. I suspect that these two players are giving up more on the defensive end than what they are contributing on the offensive end.

defense boys

[Rens]

Seeing Vince Carter on the third-team will surprise a lot of people, but the Raptors were an average team in the NBA (-0.1 points per 48 minutes) when he was on the floor, but fell apart when he was off the floor (-9.1 points per 48 minutes).

No, Vince sucks, huh? People? He never helps his team, he's not worth shit in trades. Come on Vince haters where are you?

Jalen Rose, is in the bottom 10. We'll have to put up with him for at least two more seasons though. He's been injured the past season and did seem to come into his own after his surgery. Maybe this season he'll be able to show his true self again. Otherwise.. he'll be gone when he has an expiring contract (or kept, and the money he frees used on extending Bosh).

[Matt]

Rose is the deffinition of team cancer. He's practically useless

[Rens]

He hasn't been a cancer on the Raptors. In fact, he's been more of a vocal leader than anyone on the team last season.

[fgrep15]

Actually anyone that thought the Raptors were better off without Vince is jsut stupid, I already knew this, but even with that, their's the fact that we were 0-9 without him this season, it's obvious the team needed Carter.

The semi-hate won't stop, even if he only misses 3 games he'd still be injury prone.

[Matt]

sorry, but Rose plays no defense, takes bad shots, makes too many mistakes and eats salary cap space all that = CANCER!!!!!!

His vocal leadership isn't much, it's gotta come from Vince

[fgrep15]

Rose does do stupidness, and he is a cancer, he worked for the Raptors in terms of him not complaining, but his defense still sucked, and he still made many dumb mistakes, also he's definately not a guy you want playing PG.

[TheBigEasy]

Rose is the deffinition of team cancer. He's practically useless

Compared to Jamal Mashburn he is heaven on earth

TBE

[fgrep15]

Rose is the deffinition of team cancer. He's practically useless

Compared to Jamal Mashburn he is heaven on earth

TBE

Definately, Mash didn't even want to be with the team during games, that idiotm, he really bothered me.

[FanOfAll]

Interesting read. However, as always, stats are only stats. Here's something else:

On Michael Redd, one of my favorite sportswriters who saw an early draft of this piece said the following. “Saying the Bucks don’t play well with Michael Redd on the floor invalidates the whole thing, since in my mind Redd is the player who carried them this year. Why do the stats say something that everyday watchers don’t see?”

Which is why stats at times shouldn't be taken to heart. Is it time to deal ZBo? Redd? Magloire? No. Stats can't measure things like heart, hustle, intangibles, making the right pass, playing hard, being in the right place. They don't count the times when a player should pass on a 3 for a better shot, but instead jack the 3. Of that bottom 10, my viewing tells me 7 of those 10 (and the others are debateable), shouldn't be on there. Butler (Heat really missed him, they rised when he was fully healthy, which wasn't the case when he first returned), Davis, Magloire, Grant, Mo Taylor, Jarvis Hayes, and Stevenson.

[Andrew]

I'm with FanOfAll. I think some of those stats are misleading and as FanOfAll said, don't quite reflect the intangibles. Take this for example:

"According to the data, Jermaine O’Neal is no MVP candidate as the Pacers do just fine when he is not on the floor. They are +6.1 points per 48 minutes with him on the floor, versus +2.1 with him off the floor"

It suggests that the Pacers can win without him because they generally remain ahead and don't collapse offensively when JO is on the bench. But they're still better with him on the floor. Using those statistics, they're +4 points per 48 minutes when he's in the game. It seems a more sure bet that the Pacers will be victorious with JO on the team. I don't think this statistic disqualifies him as an MVP candidate.

It's a similar situation with per 48 minute averages. They're interesting, but don't conclusively prove that a player would be putting up awesome stats if they were playing 48 minutes a game.

[air gordon]

ha i'm glad that the bulls are done with that mess known as jalen rose. oh but wait, we still got that fucker antonio davis. oh well at least ah nevemind

[fgrep15]

ha i'm glad that the bulls are done with that mess known as jalen rose. oh but wait, we still got that fucker antonio davis. oh well at least ah nevemind

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