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The Top 25 Worst NBA Players

Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:14 am

http://probasketball.about.com/od/player1/a/worstNBAplayers.htm
Nice Read...doesn't really go in-depth, but explains why they are there...
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:59 am

The Rockets might as well add another one to their list since they alerady have 3 of the worst 25. Now since they getting Mutombo, that will make it 4. :lol:
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:24 am

I think they mean players who have been sucky for a while...not just recently. Mutombo was awesome before he got traded to New Jersey..him & Iverson back in the 2001 NBA Finals...I had went to WI that weekend; most people up there were for the Bucks, of course, but I still wanted the Sixers to win (which they did). :) But then, the Lakers (Fakers) took over and won the title. :(
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Postby Rens on Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:41 am

How can Milt Palacio NOT make this list??
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Postby Incubus on Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:07 am

True, Eschmeyer, i highly doubt that he could stay in the league,i mean , he just doesn`t do anything!
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Postby FanOfAll on Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:10 am

What a retarded list. Moiso, Mo Pete? Stevenson, Rush? Wagner? He still has some potential. Gaines? Ok, he was probably among the worst 25 last season, but he was a rookie. Give him a break already. Radmanovic? What is this guy on crack or something? Seriously. Stop puffing the magic dragon. Radmanovic has to play out of position a lot (that is, the 4), when he should be at the 3. He has a sweet shot, is very athletic (far more than he's given credit for), defense isn't bad at the 3...they need to ship Lewis and play him. His for the future list is stupid too. Ebi and Outlaw receive praise in practices. Give them a chance. There shouldn't be a list for the future at all.

Where are guys like Brezec, Vranes, McAskill, Big Jake, Medvendenko, Trybanski, the aforementioned Palacio, Jabari Smith, Josh Moore, Ruben BB?
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Postby DipSetVC on Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:45 am

Rens wrote:How can Milt Palacio NOT make this list??


Ain't that the truth!
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Postby Mikki on Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:02 am

Scot Padgett??
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Postby _ØSkIpToMyLoUØ_ on Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:20 am

Milt palacio should be number 1 lol :lol:
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Postby Alcoholic on Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:54 am

Are you crazy Medvedenko isn't that good but he's no where near top worst players.
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Postby . on Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:57 am

Yeah, Slava is a ok player....he just needs to work on his defense and watch out for touch fouls, but he is a hell of a player in the offense.
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Postby SkipToMy_Lou on Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:25 am

"15. DeShawn Stevenson, SG, Orlando -- Don't shooting guards have to be able to shoot? 78 starts last season and only 19 3-Pointers made?"

Wtf just caus he cant shoot the 3 he makes it into the 25 worst NBA players lol thats just stupid.
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Postby Ben-le-ouf on Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:56 am

what is this website? probasket.about.com?
that sucks!!

do they have nothing better to do?
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Postby FanOfAll on Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:04 am

Alcoholic wrote:Are you crazy Medvedenko isn't that good but he's no where near top worst players.

I think he should be 20-25. Why? The only thing he does is shoot. He's a liability out there because he's hogging the ball and taking bad shots. I don't think you can find 25 complete crap players who are still in the NBA.

The Stevenson inclusion was absolutely ridiculous.
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Postby GordonBulls on Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:41 am

obviously that is old if he has kareem rush on there, and steven hunter and deshawn stevenson still need time to develop
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:06 pm

Deshawn is awesome (thats what i said last year. ) He had a good start in Utah last season... but he got traded. I hope he can do well this season.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:04 pm

GordonBulls wrote:obviously that is old if he has kareem rush on there, and steven hunter and deshawn stevenson still need time to develop


It's dated August 31st 2004, so it was compiled fairly recently.

I also have to disagree with some of the players on that list and the reasons they have been nominated. Even if we're ignoring the accomplishments of some of the veterans, we can't ignore their injuries or lack of playing time; that really doesn't make them talentless.

1. Evan Eschmeyer, C, Dallas -- The standard bearer for today's legion of big white stiffs in the NBA


Good choice. Fair call. Cuban's motivation for giving him such a generous contract can only be attributed to the fact he's got a lot of money to throw around.

2. Michael Stewart, C, Boston -- 'Yogi' is only slightly more threatening on the court than the cartoon bear


Another good choice. Looked like he might be a promising role player in his rookie year, was even entertaining in the rookie game at the 1998 All-Star Weekend, but since then has underachieved and been overpaid.

3. Wang ZhiZhi, C, Miami -- Even the Chinese government has disowned him


Agreed. He's played for teams where he could certainly get some significant minutes, and hasn't. Where Yao has succeeded, ZhiZhi has failed.

4. Dan Dickau, PG, Dallas -- Testament that some teams do all their scouting at the NCAA Tournament


I kind of agree, but perhaps he shouldn't be this high.

5. Jerome Moiso, PF, Toronto -- Carrying on the proud French NBA tradition started by Frederic Weis and No. 6 on our list...


Yes. Potential to be one of those guys who comes in and grabs a few rebounds and blocks a few shots, but doesn't do it often enough.

6. Tariq Abdul-Wahad, SG, Dallas -- We liked him better as Olivier St. Jean


He's had a couple of decent seasons so it's not as though he hasn't shown any promise, but he doesn't seem to be able to compete for time on teams that boast good players at his position.

7. Jerome James, C, Seattle -- Fulfilling the wasted on-court comedic promise of Chris Washburn

8. Steven Hunter, C, Phoenix -- A harsh reminder to any GM who mistakingly falls in love with an unknown player at the NBA pre-Draft camps

9. Ryan Humphrey, SF, Memphis -- More myth than baller, Humphrey has never actually been seen playing in a real game


I agree with all these, but perhaps more consistent time in Phoenix will allow Hunter to shed this label.

10. Tom Gugliotta, PF, Boston -- Former All-Star scored in double figures once last season ... and that was in the preseason!


I have to disagree here. Googs hasn't had much playing time the last couple of years and no longer has the opportunity to play as well as he did early in his career. We know that he has talent - statistically he might belong on this list but I think it's an unfair selection.

11. Kedrick Brown, SG, Philadelphia -- Interesting how many guys on this list either play for or were drafted by the Celtics

12. Reece Gaines, PG, Houston -- On a team crying out for point guard help, the No. 1 pick Gaines got into only 38 games

13. Marcus Haislip, PF, Milwaukee -- And speaking of first-round bombs, Haislip notched a team-low 8.5 minutes per game


I wouldn't rate Kedrick Brown this low. Can't argue with the choice of Gaines or Haislip though. They both had an opportunity to compete for playing time last year.

14. DeSagana Diop, C, Cleveland -- We've taken to calling him 'Saggy' and a more fitting nickname in the League we don't know of


I wholeheartedly agree - he should be higher, though.

15. DeShawn Stevenson, SG, Orlando -- Don't shooting guards have to be able to shoot? 78 starts last season and only 19 3-Pointers made?


As has already been noted, this isn't a good choice, if only for the reason provided. By that logic, Michael Jordan is one of the worst players in league history as are other guards who weren't all that good from beyond the arc.

16. Kareem Rush, SG, Lakers -- Averaged 0.8 assists and 1.3 rebounds ... you gotta score more than 6.4 points to get away with that


Perhaps his heroics in Game 6 of the WCF last year have left him a little overrated but I think he's shown enough promise not to be included on this list.

17. Ira Newble, SF, Cleveland -- The patron saint of crap players getting big contracts after big years with crap teams


I can't argue with the assertion, but there are other players I would consider to be worse.

18. Ron Mercer, SG, New Jersey -- No team would even waste a chance on the former No. 6 pick after he got dumped by San Antonio mid-season


I don't think he should be on here. We know he has talent, he's capable of putting up decent numbers. He's been buried on the bench the last couple of years but one of the 25 worst players in the league? I wouldn't say so.

19. Samaki Walker, PF, Washington -- Entering the twilight years of a pitiful career -- with a name like that, how could he have failed?


I'd have to say "Fair enough".

20. Dajuan Wagner, SG, Cleveland -- Too bad a shooter to play SG, too bad a passer to play PG and too small to play in the NBA -- sounds like a winner!

21. Tyronn Lue, PG, Houston -- Milked his 15 minutes of fame in the 2001 NBA Finals for a big contract

22. Morris Peterson, SF, Toronto -- To think New Orleans took this clown off Toronto's hands and the Raptors matched the contract offer!


With these three, I'd have to say that I see where he's coming from but I disagree. He might be right about Wagner - he's got more chance of being like Shawn Respert than Allen Iverson - but he's better than this. Lue's performance in the 2001 Finals did leave him a bit overrated and Mo Pete isn't an All-Star, but I would not consider them bottom 25.

23. Dikembe Mutombo, C, Chicago -- Rigor Mortis has set in for Deke, can't wait for him to completely calcify under the basket on some February night


Mt Mutombo can still be solid off the bench, though health is a concern. Shouldn't be on the list.

24. Jacque Vaughn, PG, New Jersey -- Hopefully it happens on the same night that the Nets trot out a starting backcourt of Vaughn and Mercer in front of 11 comotose fans in the Swamp


He's got a point, but he's still better than bottom 25.

25. Juwan Howard, PF, Houston -- The burden of carrying his garish contract sucked the life out of Howard's game long ago


No. His numbers may not have reflected the contract he signed back in 1996 and he's been overpaid for years, but his numbers simply aren't bottom 25.

I agree with FanOfAll. Guys like Brezec, Trybanksi and co belong on this list. They shouldn't be represented by Eschmeyer; they should be ranked below guys like Juwan Howard, Dikembe Mutombo and Deshawn Stevenson.
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Postby GordonBulls on Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:25 pm

haislip might not have played much, but i saw 1 SICK, and i really stress that word sick, 1 sick ass dunk, that was just jaw-dropping, i really wish i could post and link it or something, but i deleted the file on accident :cry:


but anyway, he dunked the ball in from the dotted line, on somebody and his head was at the rim, and his arm was damn near the top of the backboard. To add to that, he came outta no where to make that dunk.

Ron Mercer's from Nashville. REPRESENT!
He still has some good years left in him.

The person who made those rankings is a idiot and he was only right on, what, 5 or 6 players? get a new hobby

wagner also needs time to develop, injuries hurt his first few seasons
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Postby fgrep15 on Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:15 pm

Next Five Bringing Up the Rear:
Michael Olowokandi, C, Minnesota
Jake Tsakalidis, C, Memphis
Eddie Robinson, SF, Chicago
Shandon Anderson, SG, New York
Vladimir Radmanovic, SF, Seattle

What? This guy will put up the same numbers as Rashard Lewis if he gets the minutes, that's stupid.
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Postby NNpF on Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:46 pm

How the hell could Radmanovic be on that list, he is probably the best 'big man' 3 point shooter in the league next to Nowitzki. Last year, coming off the bench he averaged 12.0 PPG and 5.3 RPG and is probably going to start at PF for the Sonics this season unless they come up with something else. Where the hell did you come up with this crap. And DeShawn Stevenson played SG for the Jazz but he was coming off the bench to provide energy and take it hard to net, not hit threes. It's not his fault that when McGrady was injured he had to start at SG. When McGrady was healthy he started at SF and played pretty well, and he is still a developing player. Another Magic player (now with Houston), Reece Gaines, was never meant to be a PG in the NBA and they should have known that, also he played for the worst team in the NBA and was expected to play a huge role for them when McGrady was injured and he wasn't ready for that. Kareem Rush...Just shut the fuck up. These are just guys who don't know shit about the NBA and were bored so decided to write and article about it.
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Postby fgrep15 on Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:10 pm

Also the fact that Robert Archibald did not make the list is very interesting :lol:
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Postby [Q] on Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:23 pm

^^^ so true.. :lol:
by the way, greg ostertag, anyone? is anybody still stupid enough to pay montross to sit on the bench???

the problem with the list is that he said every 7 foot white guy would be included with Eschmeyer... problem is, you run out of choices right away, so he has to try to come up with excuses to say that kareem rush is one of the worst players in the nba...
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Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:33 pm

Granted, they would take up most of the positions. But at least it would be a more accurate description of the worst players in the league and the list would not include some of those "interesting" selections.
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Postby FanOfAll on Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:15 pm

Andrew wrote:
5. Jerome Moiso, PF, Toronto -- Carrying on the proud French NBA tradition started by Frederic Weis and No. 6 on our list...


Yes. Potential to be one of those guys who comes in and grabs a few rebounds and blocks a few shots, but doesn't do it often enough.

I disagree. I watched a lot of Raptors' games last year and he was screwed by Kevin O'Neill's coaching system and abilites, or lack of. He would play well one night, then not play the next night. He would play well for a few minutes, then not play the rest of the game. He plays well, but he's never been given the chance. I wanted him to get a chance last season, but he hardly got it. Check out his rebounds per 48 minutes, which are pretty good. Look at last year's #'s (scoring and block shots up quite a bit for less than a minute per game difference)...I tell you KO screwed Moiso over.

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11. Kedrick Brown, SG, Philadelphia -- Interesting how many guys on this list either play for or were drafted by the Celtics

12. Reece Gaines, PG, Houston -- On a team crying out for point guard help, the No. 1 pick Gaines got into only 38 games

13. Marcus Haislip, PF, Milwaukee -- And speaking of first-round bombs, Haislip notched a team-low 8.5 minutes per game


I wouldn't rate Kedrick Brown this low. Can't argue with the choice of Gaines or Haislip though. They both had an opportunity to compete for playing time last year.

I would rate Brown this low. You mention Gaines and Hasilip had a chance for play time (which Hasilip didn't really), but so did Brown. In fact, he's had it his entire career. What has he shown? He can play defense. He ca n dunk. Nothing else. I'm actually willing to wait on Gaines. It's his rookie season. Sure, he was probably the worst point guard in the entire league, but I've seen him play at Louisville before and he can ball. Still, his spot is not unwarranted. Just the fact that I can understand why he was so terrible.

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14. DeSagana Diop, C, Cleveland -- We've taken to calling him 'Saggy' and a more fitting nickname in the League we don't know of


I wholeheartedly agree - he should be higher, though.

I don't agree. Diop can do a few things including rebound, block shots, be an imposing figure, and hit the 15 footer. Around the start of the season, Silas played Diop ahead of Big Z down the stretch and it worked pretty well. The problem was Diop got injured again and returned the Silas' weird doghouse. Silas IMO is a terrible coach. Diop should've played again, but he hardly did. If you ask me, Diop should be a lot lower on this list...

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16. Kareem Rush, SG, Lakers -- Averaged 0.8 assists and 1.3 rebounds ... you gotta score more than 6.4 points to get away with that


Perhaps his heroics in Game 6 of the WCF last year have left him a little overrated but I think he's shown enough promise not to be included on this list.

I agree, at least not at 16.

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18. Ron Mercer, SG, New Jersey -- No team would even waste a chance on the former No. 6 pick after he got dumped by San Antonio mid-season


I don't think he should be on here. We know he has talent, he's capable of putting up decent numbers. He's been buried on the bench the last couple of years but one of the 25 worst players in the league? I wouldn't say so.

Agree again.

Also the fact that Robert Archibald did not make the list is very interesting Laughing

How could I forget him too? He deserves a spot. Top 10.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:38 pm

FanOfAll wrote:I disagree. I watched a lot of Raptors' games last year and he was screwed by Kevin O'Neill's coaching system and abilites, or lack of. He would play well one night, then not play the next night. He would play well for a few minutes, then not play the rest of the game. He plays well, but he's never been given the chance. I wanted him to get a chance last season, but he hardly got it. Check out his rebounds per 48 minutes, which are pretty good. Look at last year's #'s (scoring and block shots up quite a bit for less than a minute per game difference)...I tell you KO screwed Moiso over.


Actually, I have to concede that one - I was perhaps a little harsh. I can understand his inclusion though, it's certainly a better selection than Deshawn Stevenson or Juwan Howard.

FanOfAll wrote:I would rate Brown this low. You mention Gaines and Hasilip had a chance for play time (which Hasilip didn't really), but so did Brown. In fact, he's had it his entire career. What has he shown? He can play defense. He ca n dunk. Nothing else. I'm actually willing to wait on Gaines. It's his rookie season. Sure, he was probably the worst point guard in the entire league, but I've seen him play at Louisville before and he can ball. Still, his spot is not unwarranted. Just the fact that I can understand why he was so terrible.


Well, they had a chance to compete for more PT. Brown's been stuck behind more established players who aren't in danger of losing their starting job and 30+ minutes per game. But perhaps I did overrate him a little.

FanOfAll wrote:I don't agree. Diop can do a few things including rebound, block shots, be an imposing figure, and hit the 15 footer. Around the start of the season, Silas played Diop ahead of Big Z down the stretch and it worked pretty well. The problem was Diop got injured again and returned the Silas' weird doghouse. Silas IMO is a terrible coach. Diop should've played again, but he hardly did. If you ask me, Diop should be a lot lower on this list...


I guess I'm a little behind on my scouting of Diop. I was still under the impression that he was very much a Yinka Dare type, yet to show any promise or utilise the tools he might possess. I'll have to concede that one too.
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