Artest: Where's my invitation?

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Artest: Where's my invitation?

Postby Jackal on Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:23 am

Ron Artest was not so bold as to say things would be different if he were in Greece, just that he'd love to be there.

He's more than a little irritated that no one asked him to be.

"I was the [NBA] Defensive Player of the Year and didn't get an invite," the Pacers forward said. "It's frustrating not to have gotten a phone call."


"I think fans are upset because of what they see as a lack of effort," Artest said. "Although I don't think it's that the U.S. isn't playing hard, I think the other teams are playing hard, too."


"I was one of the guys who wanted to be there," Artest said. "Look, so many guys turned it down. After all the top guys, there's room for me.


"I don't know what it was. All I know is it's something that only comes along every four years and I would have liked to have been part of it. I'd have been the water boy or the manager or whatever. I wanted to go."


His presence sure could've been used at the Olympics, he seems mighty interested too. We know what happens when Artest has set his mind on shutting down someone, he usually succeeds.

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I figured this belongs here since it's a NBA player & isn't really with the Olympic Team making it void to post it in the Other Leagues section, ofcourse I could be wrong so feel free to move it all around.
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Postby Riot on Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:52 am

Artest>Melo
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Postby Jackal on Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:40 am

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
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Postby Riot on Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:41 am

some people have problems seeing so clearly. Whether it's the hype or stupidity I don't know but some people are like that.

Sorry jackass
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Postby FanOfAll on Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:55 am

I would've thought he would be less humble and say "WTF? I'm the best perimeter defender you can offer and I'm not the team? I'm better than every SF you can throw out there." Which is true and more like him. Either way, he should be on the squad. I think they were afraid of locker room problems...
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Postby GloveGuy on Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:13 am

I agree it's pretty bullshit that he wasn't invited. The selection commitee did a pretty awful job in assembling an actual team this year. I think it's pretty obvious by now.
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Postby Dirtdog1- David on Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:25 am

Un-balanced! That's the word for this team
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Postby Jackal on Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:04 am

Cup of Shit is to blame as usual...he was part of the selectioning committee.

Does it surprise you the team *blows*?


NBA Appointees: Bryan Colangelo, Billy King, Mitch Kupchak, Kevin O'Conner, Garry St. Jean, Rod Thorn


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Postby GloveGuy on Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:39 am

Great post and all Jackal, but it is a bit too off-topic. It would have been equally worthy to make a thread about our modern day devil "Mitch Cup Of Shit". In fact, if I could, I'd give you permission to take the exact same post and make a thread of it.
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Postby Sauru on Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:45 am

i think the main reason artest didnt get a invite is his attitude. i am sure someone will reply to this post calling me an idiot or saying artest dont have a attitude problem but he does. imo its why he didnt get the invite. now that being said i would have to question myself with, why did they invite iverson and marbury then? i guess my only answer is, artest is becomeing the next dennis rodman and the nba didnt want to send anyone over that might cause trouble. we have had enough of that in olympic/worlds sporting events.

on a side note i think his defense and general overall toughness would have been a great help. even on offense when everyone else is standing at the 3 not knowing that in real basketball you are supposed to move without the ball, he would be downlow banging heads with anyone willing to try and stop him.
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Postby matmat8 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:35 am

As Sauru said it's because of his attitude, agreed.
I read on another topic (maybe at .org) USA had told there athletes not to attract too much attention during these olympics (sad thing btw, i like seeing the americans putting up their "show".).
I guess the Nba prefered to not bring Artest to avoid any behaviour problems. Larry Brown might be for somethig too.

I don't think Artest would be a big help for US. Of course Artest>Melo but what they really need as everyone knows is a shooter.
Was Ray Allen invited? And Michael Redd?
With 1 or 2 shooters the US would have gone undefeated IMO.
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Postby Matthew on Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:46 am

Urgh, Artest has attitude problems? Please.. If we're going on the past, what about Iverson, Odom, Lebron, Marbury, etc etc. Artest totally deserves a spot ahead of Jefferson.
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Postby fgrep15 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:01 am

I don't think Artest would've changed much for the team, not that he's bad, he's about the 5th best SF, after Kirilenko, Marion, and Odom, and tied with Peja, but still, I don't see him changing much.
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Postby GloveGuy on Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:44 am

Regardless of your ranking of him, he would've been an upgrade and he could helped them more than Richard Jefferson and Shawn Marion have.

Steve Blake isn't ranked as high in NBA efficiency as Stephon Marbury, but I can tell you that he'd do a better job in this year's Olympics.

Sarunas Jasikevicius couldn't even make it into this league, yet he tore the U.S. team apart.

What I'm trying to say is, your rankings of NBA play don't really mean much. His game would be much more suited for Olympic play than Shawn Marion's. Marion, in your eyes might be the better NBA player, but his game pretty much sucks in Olympic play.

In my opinion, to say that the best perimeter defender in the NBA wouldn't help this team much is proposterous.
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Postby FanOfAll on Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:58 am

fgrep15 wrote:I don't think Artest would've changed much for the team, not that he's bad, he's about the 5th best SF, after Kirilenko, Marion, and Odom, and tied with Peja, but still, I don't see him changing much.

I dont' believe he's worse than Peja, Marion, or Odom. Artest is the better defender than Marion and a more well-rounded scorer than Marion as well. The one thing Marion has on Artest is rebounds. Peja vs Artest is probably the closest matchup here, but the way Peja seems to choke every year, I'll take Artest. Plus, defense wins championships. I want to see Odom a year out of the strict system the Heat gave him to see if he can keep his head in the game. I hope and believe he can, but regardless, Artest is a far better defender than Odom and a better scorer. Odom is a more natural playmaker and better on the boards, but the biggest thing Artest has over Odom and the other 2 is the intensity and physical play he brings. They're game changers and motivators for the teammates. Which is why he would be far IMO he would make a big difference for this team.
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Postby Sauru on Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:14 am

i just want to point out that i fully believe that artest would be a huge upgrade for us over that worthless jefferson. in fact i would take him over jefferson,melo, and marion. i would like him to be there and think he would help shut down those constant wide open 3's.

that being said i still believe it is his attitude and dirty play that kept him out. also if anyone here argues that he does not play dirty you dont belong posting.
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Postby Matt on Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:06 pm

Bowen, Prince, Artest.....anyone of those would have been great to shut down the perimeter
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Postby Macca on Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:20 pm

Honestly, these Olympics have not been what I’ve expected them to be; especially the basketball. That is, including the US Team’s structure and just generally how they play. Maybe a “probe” is an idea to look at, that is, to have a probe around the selection committee, and to why they failed to do their job. It has lead to key star players, missing out like Artest- it just makes me so friggin' angry damn it!

The way this team was put together, you would think that a 9 year old had chosen them. Now I ain’t no damn expert, but there is a helluva better talent than some of those out there now. Andrew Gaze must’ve read my mind when he said that “they don’t run an audition or trials on who plays, but they just work out who will play well together.” IN my mind- it all looks good on paper, but does that mean that they will really come up with the best results in the end? Have a look at these comments…
(Please, correct me if I’m wrong; someone always usually does)


#4, Allen Iverson: Pretty much always a great choice. He can sometimes ‘jack up’ a few too many shots, but always gets the job done.

#5, Stephon Marbury: An excellent choice for Jason Kidd’s spot. Now, although JKidd might have done a better job, (more assists, etc.) who else to turn to but Kidd’s trading partner in Marbury.

#6, Dwayne Wade: A rookie whom this year has led his Miami Heat to the playoffs, just like Anthony. Enough cannot be said about this young man’s ability to play. Several other choices to fill McGrady’s shoes: Francis? B. Davis? (Bibby and Kidd; why?)

#7, Carlos Boozer: What can you say about this man? Well, to me, has been one of the weak links in the US structure. He hasn’t been receiving enough time, when he does; he’s not up to his best. J.O would’ve done fine. Was Big Ben not available? KG anyone? Anyone of those could’ve been exceptable. What about these: Ku. Thomas, Camby, B. Grant, Antonio Davis?

#8, Carmelo Anthony: A player who at only 20 has achieved so much. His game speaks for itself, where only his defence, needs improving. To fill Carter’s shoes for these Olympics, all he needs to do is be able to hit a 3 and take it hard to the hole. However, Ron Artest could’ve been a much better choice. He has experience and has the all round game. Other notables: Pierce, Redd? I mean, that’s talent right there.

#9, LeBron James: What a rookie. Although, he’s no longer a rookie and has clearly shown that throughout this tournament. He has the upper hand over Anthony; making spectacular 3’s and dunks to please the crowd.

#10, Emeka Okafor: Well, what a surprise choice for the US Team. Just like Collison in the qualifying games late last year. Now this guy has a big game. At only 6 foot 9, no one has really seen what he can do. But at the college level, we all know hat he can do. Again, better choices should’ve been made, but I suppose it gave this young man a chance to see that Olympic dream that every athlete dreams about.

#11, Shawn Marion: Cannot say enough about this bloke. He has performed to his best and even better. Filling the shoes of K-Mart and Malone, he has filled up to those big ass shoes and some. With spectacular plays galore, his game and rep just keep getting better. He’s earned his spot in the team.

#12, Amare` Stoudamire: Just like Marion, he has had an excellent Olympic campaign. He hasn’t received as many minutes as Boozer and Odom have, but when he’s on, the former ROY has been spot on. His defence has been outstanding! Maybe only Ben Wallace or Rasheed could’ve done better. (With the exception of others whom are injured)

#13, Tim Duncan: Can’t say anything bad about this man. He’s done his job for the games. One of only 3 original members of the qualifying team. Probably has to buckle down on his D a bit more and the Larry will be smiling.

#14, Lamar Odom: Not one of the best options to go with, but does just about average a triple-double, or at least, he gets them. He can hit the 3, rebound, taking it to the hole, throwing out dimes. One player comes to mind besides Odom who can do that: Garnett. Why not Kevin? Was he available? Frankly, as good as Odom is, and the amount of minutes he’s getting- he’s not performing to his usual best. Some players in this team seem off to me. Maybe they need to go in a fridge so they don’t go stale?

#15, Richard Jefferson: This is one player who has not done anything right this competition. Sure, he’s scored, but just like several times with the Nets, he hasn’t performed. A replacement like Artest would’ve been better. The amount of 3’s he’s jacked up is ridiculous. He’s supposed to be their go to guy and yet, he can’t make them at critical stages. Prince of Detroit would’ve been the better option, but then again, we can’t go with too many young kids. This team needs experience damn it. If they gave Pippen half a chance he’d take it. Maybe the doors are open for the ’92 Team to come back and play for 2008?


This is a very detailed account of the players and the way they play- that’s a whole different issue because, Coach Brown, Poppavich and Williams all run very tight ships in that, they make sure that the players play good defence and play hard- right until the end. The losses aren’t their fault- it’s the players. Those sort of players don’t play well together and it shows. Anyways, I just think overall, a better job could’ve been done and honestly, those losses were a wake up call for the US team. From that, they can learn that they aren’t invincible and that they should have to work hard just like everyone else.

My 5 cents… (sorry; I don’t have change)

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Postby J@3 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:57 pm

I think the Stephon Marbury thing is wrong, he hasnt exactly set the World on fire during these Olympics...
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Postby Fresh8 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:08 pm

Hmmm... I think differently!

The problem with team USA is not about skill... it's about their transistion into the international game. At the olympics, Marbury and Iverson and Bron and others wont get 20 shots to 'warm' up and get into a rythm... Also- this team isnt the best shooting team and struggles against perimeter players.

I agree that USA Bball did a bad job because they didn't compare the BA to International play...they could have picked a better team... and also to those players who didn't join the team...well they suck! (Except for the players with injuries/commitments)

#4, Allen Iverson: He's a good player but as I've said he doesn't have the shots to warm up. Iverson should have always been part of the USA team.

#5, Stephon Marbury: He's doing bad at the Olympics. He was an OK choice at the point but I would have liked Gary Payton in this spot instead. Payton can provide defence the USA really need!

#6, Dwayne Wade: I agree that this kid has got game...anyone said he's not as selfish as other players?

#7, Carlos Boozer: Booze is doing OK but Jermaine O would have been better...if he had accepted the invite! Damn him!

#8, Carmelo Anthony: Michael Redd should have made the team in front of my man Carmelo... but shit happens.

#9, LeBron James: Shit- Bron is good...although I don't really think he is my fave player but credit is due where its due. He just needs to develop a jumpshot and he's set!

#10, Emeka Okafor: Shit man! They wasted a spot on the roster for this kid. Not saying he's bad but Team USA could have used someone else!

#11, Shawn Marion: Marion is doing fine at thios tournament...he deserves to be on the team!

#12, Amare Stoudamire: I agree with the other guy. Amare has done great this tournament!

#13, Tim Duncan: The next best American center next to Shaq... thats all there is to it. Definately USA's best player!

#14, Lamar Odom: KG backed out... can't remeber why! But US could have used Rip in Odom's spot... or maybe Ben Wallace...

#15, Richard Jefferson: Jefferson is a good player but again... the Olympic team is so deep that shots cant go around to everyone. This guy needs to calm down and stop hoisting up shots and try play a team game!

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If I chose the team with only players who could have been available:

Duncan (C) - Dominating Force
Iverson (SG) - Quick
Redd (SG) - Shooter
Artest (SF) - Defence
Stoudamire (PF) - Next best Big Man avialable
Marion (SF) - Does everything
Payton (PG) - Defence, leadership
Wade (PG) - Young, athletic, unselfish
Bron (SF) - multi-talented
Boozer (PF) - Only other Big available

It's pretty limited to the players who could have played...cause everyone rejected invitations!

But the true Dream Team should have been:

C: Shaq/Duncan
PF: Garnett/Jermaine
SF: T-Mac/Pierce
SG: Kobe/Allen
PG: Kidd/Bron
RESERVE: B Wallace - cause he cant shoot! lol
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Postby matmat8 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:46 pm

Matt wrote:Bowen, Prince, Artest.....anyone of those would have been great to shut down the perimeter


With the way they play D they would be fouled out every game in the Olympics, especially Bowen.
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Postby Matt on Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:17 pm

^^^perhaps, but Bowen could fly kick somebody and teach them a lesson for knocking down 3's. Nobody's intimidated by the defense of Marbury or Iverson, an imposing defensive presence could be handy
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Postby Matt on Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:35 pm

#4, Allen Iverson: V good player and a team leader. Can't argue with his inclusion
#5, Stephon Marbury: two words are missing from his vocabulary. 1. TEAM and 2. DEFENCE oh, and at the Olympics it's also 3. OFFENSE

#6, Dwayne Wade: This kid can play ball and he's shown that. He plays better than Marbury in every aspect of the game. I'm glad he's on the team

#7, Carlos Boozer: Boozer has made some stupid decisions in these games but as of late has worked into some kind of a rhythm. Perhaps Brad Miller, Elton Brand or Zach Randolph would have been a better fit. JO would have played but he's got that Knee injury

#8, Carmelo Anthony: I can name so so many players that should have been in front of this guy.....Posey, Artest, Prince, Redd and the list goes on and on. He shoots too much and too often

#9, LeBron James: Shit- too many airballs, but other than that he's been playing good. He's solid on both ends and is a great team player

#10, Emeka Okafor: ah, the token rookie/college guy. His performance has sucked ass but can't really blame him. If anything this experience will make him a better player....after all he gets to practice with the worlds best big man

#11, Shawn Marion: Man is this guy athletic. He plays good D and i don't think anybody has outrebounded him on the boards. He plays the 3 and 4 and is doing a fin job. He's even hitting some mid range J's.

#12, Amare Stoudamire: I'd like some more PT for this guy. He's always on the offensive boards and is solid offensively.

#13, Tim Duncan: What can you say about him. The only player that can grab more boards than him in this tournament happens to be his teammate => Marion. Everytime Tim gets the ball he scores

#14, Lamar Odom: He's been good all round but he does get burnt sometimes on offense and then theres that 4 point play

#15, Richard Jefferson: Damn, i expected him to be a leader in the 3's, but until he scored 3 straight against Lithuania he had 0. Maybe he's hitting some form.

Of course this team would have looked better with guys that backed out......JO, Kobe, TMac, KG

Maybe Shaq's laughter at Mike Bibby seems a lil harsh now?
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Postby FanOfAll on Thu Aug 26, 2004 3:17 am

Sit wrote:#5, Stephon Marbury: He's doing bad at the Olympics. He was an OK choice at the point but I would have liked Gary Payton in this spot instead. Payton can provide defence the USA really need!

Payton is no longer a good defender. He's quite average now, he's lost a lot more than one step.

#8, Carmelo Anthony: Michael Redd should have made the team in front of my man Carmelo... but shit happens.

Totally agree.

#14, Lamar Odom: KG backed out... can't remeber why! But US could have used Rip in Odom's spot... or maybe Ben Wallace...

Both Rip and Big Ben backed out. I think Odom definitely deserves to be on this team. Is he a bit undersizedl? Yeah. But he's giving more effort than anyone else out there are IMO has been the 3rd best player behind TD and AI.

#15, Richard Jefferson: Jefferson is a good player but again... the Olympic team is so deep that shots cant go around to everyone. This guy needs to calm down and stop hoisting up shots and try play a team game!

I disagree. He is playing a team game and unlike 'Melo, he's not taking bad shots. He's taking good shots off rotation offense, he's just not making them. He must've left his jumpshot on the plane or something. However, he's playing defense, giving effort, hustling, he's doing everything except hit the jump shot.

Duncan (C) - Dominating Force
Iverson (SG) - Quick
Redd (SG) - Shooter
Artest (SF) - Defence
Stoudamire (PF) - Next best Big Man avialable
Marion (SF) - Does everything
Payton (PG) - Defence, leadership
Wade (PG) - Young, athletic, unselfish
Bron (SF) - multi-talented
Boozer (PF) - Only other Big available

Ultimately, I like your team. However, I would take Ratliff over Boozer (he can actually play center and while he's a very mediocre rebounder and defender, he's the imposing presence in the middle we need) and Brent Barry over Payton (unselfish, can hit the jump shot, can play point, great passer and court vision). Add Odom and Brad Miller and that's the best team IMO the US can field from the players that didn't receive an invitation or didn't decline.

Miller/Ratliff/Duncan
Duncan/Amare/Odom
Artest/Odom/Marion
Redd/Bron/Wade
AI/Barry/Wade
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Postby Alcoholic on Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:09 am

What happened to Baron Davis? Isn't he good?
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