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Postby Jackal on Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:24 am

Although no deal is apparently imminent, the Grizzlies' crusade for a center comes down to three options with seven weeks left until training camp begins.

The No. 1 goal still is for the Grizzlies to acquire veteran big man Erick Dampier via a sign-and-trade with Golden State. The second option is working out a deal with the Chicago Bulls to land young center Eddy Curry.

But, as team sources indicated Thursday, the third option is the Grizzlies entering the 2004-05 season without making a "big" addition to the roster.

An Internet report that the Griz have asked the Bulls about trading Curry (6-11, 300-plus, pounds) is true. But the Grizzlies aren't willing to ship Bonzi Wells and Stromile Swift - as proposed - to complete a deal for Curry.

The question the Grizzlies keep asking is what it's going to cost them, said a Grizzly insider with knowledge of trade negotiations.


According to a league source, three other teams have presented the Bulls with offers for Curry, and Bulls general manager John Paxson remains somewhat hesitant to move the underachieving Curry.

There does exist a gentle divide within the Grizzlies front office. Dampier appears to be the top pick with Griz president Jerry West. Landing Curry would satisfy the coaching staff and executives in place before West arrived.

Still, the differences between Dampier and Curry are centered on age and skill.

Dampier, 30, is older, a better rebounder and tougher defensively. Curry, 21, is younger, more skilled on offense and beefier. Both have been considered uninspired at different times throughout their careers.

Trading for Dampier would provide more immediate help; trading for Curry could mean more in the future.

To no avail, the Griz have aggressively pursued trade avenues all summer to obtain a center.

Dampier's options continue to dwindle, making it more likely that he may sign a six-year, reportedly $50 million deal with Atlanta. The Grizzlies remain hopeful that a sign-and-trade deal can be worked out with Golden State as long as Dampier treads in free-agent waters.

Golden State has yet to indicate it is willing to help Dampier with a sign-and-trade.

Curry, who averaged 14.7 points and 6.2 rebounds last season, could be viewed as a long shot. The Bulls are entertaining offers. Figuring Curry's value may preclude substantial trade talks amid routine reports about his weight.

Curry insists he's 307 pounds, rebutting reports that he's tipped the scales at nearly 320. The Bulls have asked Curry to report to training camp at 285.

According to Grizzly insiders, removing Curry from that environment (his hometown) is a motivating factor for their pursuit and could make a big difference. Plus, Curry would become a restricted free agent next season meaning the Griz wouldn't take on a long-term financial obligation should they acquire him.

They would be able to match any offer for him.


This move would give them a legit C at the cost of Wells & Swift. (If it happens...) Not a bad deal imho..

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Postby air gordon on Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:45 am

Pax and Skiles would trade for schmucks like swift AND wells who have reps for being both dumb and lazy. i thought the bulls were trying to bring in hard working players with the right attitude :lol:
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Postby Micchy_boy on Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:50 am

and we know that any players bulls trade will have a good career. remember brand, artest and miller.
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Postby air gordon on Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:01 am

like buechler, jake voskhul, stacey king, luc longley, ron mercer, lonny baxter, olden polynice, jason caffey, roger mason, toni kukoc, scottie pippen, etc?
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:02 am

crawford4MIP4real wrote:Pax and Skiles would trade for schmucks like swift AND wells who have reps for being both dumb and lazy. i thought the bulls were trying to bring in hard working players with the right attitude :lol:


Ok...I don't get it :? Bonzi has stepped his game up since becoming a Grizzlie. Swift has so much potential, kind of like Curry. Why you think West doesn't want to trade him? It gives the Bulls the edge if we did that trade that's why I'm hoping we could trade Miller and Wright instead or like Wright and Wells. I was going to post this article on here myself, but I thought everytime I posted something about the Grizz wouldn't get that much attention :lol: so I waited for someone else to post (Y)

Crawford I know you said that because you from Chi-Town, but don't worry, whoever you get from the Grizzlies will be worth to play alot on the Bulls. :wink:
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Postby Riot on Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:38 am

Chandler and Swift front court would be weak and lazy.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:41 pm

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I just found out when Swift plays more than 28 mpg he gets 16.3 ppg, 9.18 rpg and 1.8 bpg. He will have alot more work ethic if he got more playing time, which would make him want to learn new things in practice.
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Postby Riot on Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:30 pm

I don't think he'll ever be motivated. I bet he'll get overpaid.
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Postby Sauru on Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:35 pm

crawford4MIP4real wrote:like buechler, jake voskhul, stacey king, luc longley, ron mercer, lonny baxter, olden polynice, jason caffey, roger mason, toni kukoc, scottie pippen, etc?



it is unfair to add pippen to that list as he was entering the later years of his career. still after this trade he did do well with portland and helped them try to win a ring but to no avail.
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Postby FanOfAll on Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:44 pm

I don't know if I would do this deal if I were either side. For the Bulls, say bye bye to your only post presence outside of Harrington. You bring a reputed cancer to influence your young players (smart), only to hope he behaves like Ricky Davis did. It's a big roll of the dice. I love Swift though...would be awesome to see him a Bulls' jersey. Also, the Bulls could use another outside shooter besides Gordon and Hinrich...and that's not exactly Wells' strong suit.

For Memphis, that's a lot to give up. Wells is basically on the block because he's the only one left without a huge contract, and while he was a key part of the rotation, he won't missed as much as say, Posey. Swift IMO is a budding star in this league, who doesn't fit well with Wright and Gasol because both are probably more natural PF's. Curry is a center, but he's an underachiever, coach potato, and has absolutely no defense. It's a huge risk for the Grizz...it's a boom or bust thing with Hubie. Either Hubie finally gets to Eddy or Hubie loses patience and they ship Curry out of there.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:16 pm

The possibility of adding Stro is interesting, but it still seems like you're trading one young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation for another young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation. For now, I'd rather see Chicago hold onto Curry.
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Postby Sauru on Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:42 pm

i rather have curry myself
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Postby TRIO DOROBO on Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:46 am

Andrew wrote:The possibility of adding Stro is interesting, but it still seems like you're trading one young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation for another young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation. For now, I'd rather see Chicago hold onto Curry.



trading one young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation =
young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation

that's a fair trade!!!! :?
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Postby Jackal on Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:02 am

He didn't say it wasn't fair, he said why make the trade if you're getting back the same thing in return? Isn't it better to just stick it out with Curry then?
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Postby TRIO DOROBO on Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:37 am

Jackass wrote:He didn't say it wasn't fair, he said why make the trade if you're getting back the same thing in return? Isn't it better to just stick it out with Curry then?


i know that was he meant i just say it was a fair trade coz he used same word for word

trading one (1)young (2)player (3)with (4)potential (5)but (6)a (7)slightly (8)negative (9)reputation =
(1)young (2)player (3)with (4)potential (5)but (6)a (7)slightly (8)negative (9)reputation

now you understand???
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Postby air gordon on Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:01 am

SbHZmAFiA wrote:Swift has so much potential, kind of like Curry...

Crawford I know you said that because you from Chi-Town, but don't worry, whoever you get from the Grizzlies will be worth to play alot on the Bulls. :wink:

sure curry has his flaws but swift's potential is equal to his?? have you seen swift shown flashes of being an unstoppable force, become the youngest player to lead the league in fg%, go head to head against shaq and come out the winner on both sides of the ball? :roll:

lol just keep your own players

keep wells and his one year winning attitude then just start the great stro show next to gasol. problem solved

i agree with what FanOfAll had to say in terms of what the trade does for the bulls and i would like to add that the trade gives them a center problem. chandler has a bad back guarding pf's.... imo the grizz are not taking as big of a risk he says though. west has collected all this talent to make this type of deal and the players invovled they certainly can afford 'to lose'. and as a bonus, if eddy were to go memphis and not pan out there, there will always be another gm/coach that thinks they can turn him around

Sauru wrote:it is unfair to add pippen to that list as he was entering the later years of his career. still after this trade he did do well with portland and helped them try to win a ring but to no avail.

lol yeah sure whatever. the point of list was for the ignornant statement made by another poster
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Postby Sauru on Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:22 am

i understand your point, just unfair to add pippen. being a bulls fan(which i assume you are) you should respect pippen for everything he has done for the bulls.
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Postby Jackal on Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:50 am

TRIO DOROBO wrote:i know that was he meant i just say it was a fair trade coz he used same word for word


Ehm, exactly...why'd you have to point out it was a fair deal? He never said it wasn't. Thus your comment was useless?
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Postby air gordon on Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:13 am

Sauru wrote:i understand your point, just unfair to add pippen. being a bulls fan(which i assume you are) you should respect pippen for everything he has done for the bulls.

lol the irony. someone telling me, probably the biggest bulls and pippen fan on this board, to respect pippen.

make a list yourself if you don't want him on there
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:19 am

I'm not comparing Stro skills to Curry skills...I said they have the same potential. Curry is a center and Swift is a PF. Swift natural position is the PF spot, so I wouldn't see him guarding Shaq anyway. He does have the ability to be a great shot blocker in the league and he already has proven that. He is the only player I seen that actually blocked KG's fadeaway in a game. He just jumped up real high and blocked it and it wasn't even goal tending. You can compare Swift to more of a Jermaine O'neal type player because that's who he reminds me of. As for Bonzi, he didn't have a 1 year win attitude....If you realize that a change of scenery will sometime make a player be a better player in the future then you would know that. I guess Rasheed Wallace had a 1 year win attitude too :roll: Bonzi knows that the Grizzlies don't want trouble makers on the team and that's why he didn't do nothing stupid while playing for the Grizz. If you think West and Hubie will put up with it, then you need to learn more about them :wink:
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Postby air gordon on Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:16 am

ok we'll go the potential route also...

does swift have the potential to be the best and most dominant PF in the league? if all the gm's were asked to name what players have the potential to be the best C or PF in the league, does swift's name even come up once??? where are their similar potentials? maybe that they'll grow to 7ft?

i'll buy bonzi's winning attitude when i see him act like this after he signs a new contract. while what you said may be true, he knew very well he has to chill out since he is heading into a contract year. west and hubie can enjoy him all they want for all i care.

as i said earlier, if these memphis players are so great, then just keep them. you're starting to sound like a car salesman...

still waiting on your legit link with bird saying himself he offered artest to memphis for bonzi wells :wink:
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:19 am

You don't need a link because if you watched the NBA Draft then you would clearly see that David Aldridge was talking about us getting Artest. It's probably out of the picture now since its taken so long for us to get a big man and the Pacers know they can get Peja now. Hmm, I wonder why Swift name hasn't came up in a conversation about him being one of the best PF's in the future, that's because he is a bench player for the Grizzlies :wink: He has been playing behind Gasol the past 3 years so why would his name come up in that type of conversation unless he is starting and getting starter minutes?

If Bonzi knew he had to cool it because he was coming into his contract year then why did he have his worse year as a offcourt play then? Wasn't he the one to spit in a fans face or whatever he did. He didn't like the Portland fans because obviously they didn't like him. He played with the Portland the same season he played with the Grizzlies and if he had a bad reputation with Portland then it shouldn't make no difference about him cooling down all because he is heading into his contract year. He was still himself when he came to Memphis. He picked up some technical fouls, and he was kind of doing like what Rasheed Wallace was doing with Detroit. Giving that "what the hell" look and the refs would give him a tech.

That's the whole point of this, I didn't want to give up these players for Curry and Jerry West doesn't either. That's why I said earlier I would rather give up Miller and Wright or something for Curry because I don't want to trade Swift and Bonzi for Curry. So yeah, I do want to keep him :roll: You was just saying that you wouldn't do Swift and Bonzi for Curry and that's when I start talking about why they would be good for the Bulls. The Bulls have to make some type of move anyway because they got a bunch of crap for Crawford and JYD.
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Postby thaKEAF on Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:47 am

Curry has all the potential in the world but you can only go off potential for so long, he's just as lazy as Bonzi and you could argue that he's even more lazy. He's also out of shape, and as a native of Memphis I wouldn't want to see him in a Griz uniform, at least not right now. Stro has just as much potential as Curry, I don't see why West wants this guy so badly.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:27 pm

TRIO DOROBO wrote:trading one young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation =
young player with potential but a slightly negative reputation

that's a fair trade!!!! :?


Just to reiterate what Jackal said, my point wasn't that such a trade would be unfair, my point is that is such a trade would be fairly pointless. Although Curry and Swift do have different games, they are both at a point in their career where we're waiting for them to break out and really start fulfilling their potential.
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