Ray Allen To Toronto?

[ATTENTIONWHORE]

According to Fox Sports, Ray Allen is open to a trade...
The Full Story Here:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2647736

[Riot]

Yeah, maybe Rob Babcock would do that but he has said numerous times that he isn't being forced to trade Vince Carter. He doesn't want to trade Vince Carter either.

[VCFAN]

wow that would be a good trade. Both players would get their wish. This one I could actually see happening. Salary caps and skills match up quite nicely also.

[Wormy10]

Agreed VCFAN!

[XianeX]

I don't see this happening for one reason: marketing. Vince brings in so many fans and so much money that I'm not sure the Raptors would want to get rid of that.

[ATTENTIONWHORE]

I don't see this happening for one reason: marketing. Vince brings in so many fans and so much money that I'm not sure the Raptors would want to get rid of that.

If McGrady can do it, Vince Carter surely can...

[Riot]

VC is more popular world-wide.

[illindians13]

I personally wouldn't like to see Ray Allen get traded to the Raptors because I live around Milwaukee i watch a few of their games. When Ray Allen was in Milwaukee he was a very solid player that you could count on getting atleast 18-20 per contest. Vince Carter is a good player but i think that it would be in the best interest of the Sonics to hold on to Allen mainly because he is still considerably young and could do some damage to teams in the west.

[Riot]

VC is younger than Ray Ray

[illindians13]

regardless of vince carters age he is past his prime. the only thing that carter can do is dunk. he is a marginal jump shooter and doesnt play defense. ray allen can shoot like crazy. he plays decent D and is a lot more consistant than VC. all im sayin is that i would rather have Allen on my team than VC.

[FanOfAll]

regardless of vince carters age he is past his prime. the only thing that carter can do is dunk. he is a marginal jump shooter and doesnt play defense. ray allen can shoot like crazy. he plays decent D and is a lot more consistant than VC. all im sayin is that i would rather have Allen on my team than VC.

LOL. How is the "only thing" Carter can do "is dunk" true? How is he a "marginal jump shooter and doesnt play defense"??? That is crazy. His defense has improved drastically from his rookie years of being more aggressive. So has his jumper. He is a very good jump shooter and a great creator. He can play the point forward for a good 10-15 minutes I wouldn't doubt that. Nothing you say there is about Vince is true. Is he less aggressive about posterizing people? Yes. Is a better all-around player now? By far.

Ray Allen plays good D IMO. Better than VC. I would rather have Allen as well, but what you say about Vince is completely false.

[illindians13]

ok ok yea i guess i was a lil over the top when i said that vince cant shoot and play D. He is a very very good player. I mean he has been on the all star team almost every year taht he has been in the league and rightfully so not only by his game play but also because he give the fans what he wants and thats action. So yea i was a lil wrong by sayin that carter isnt that good. Sorry bout taht yall.

[fgrep15]

First, saying Carter can't shoot is pretty baseless considering he shot 40+% from three point range in his 2nd and 3rd years, has a career 38.6 3PT%, and is one of the better mid-range shooters in the league.... but you clarified that you went overboard.
Saying he can't play defense holds the same conditions, he's a slightly above average defender, just not a good one unless he wants to be, but it's the fact that he doesn't play defense like he can regularly that really makes people get angry about his D.


A few things:

The comparison between Allen and Vince would have been scrutinized a while ago, but now is very legit. Ray Allen has just as good an all-round game, better handles, is a better shooter, but gets injured pretty fairly too. Carter is not far off in any of those categories, is younger, is more able to take over on both ends of the floor, and his numbers can't directly be compared to Allen's due to the systems they played in.

If we could get a deal Vince, Donyell Marshall, and Alvin Williams for Ray Allen, Vitaly Potapenko, and Radmonovic it would be nice. Or maybe Antonio Daniels instead of Potapenko.

If Ray Allen comes to Toronto, I would be concerned about defense at the SF spot with Jalen Rose there, Rose is weak and slow, and is a crappy defender anywhere he plays, but Vince could guard SF's, so it was fine. With Allen who isn't any better a defender than Carter (also about average), and Carter not playing lazy is better, we wouldn't have anyone to effectively guard the 3 because Allen would have a height and strength disadvantage, and he isn't aggressive enough on defense to effectively guard the 3.


I also feel he might "pull a Boozer" on us, and say he'll re-sign if we trade for him, and bail leaving Toronto with "cap space", and what has that ever done for us, our biggest signing ever that wasn't out own FA was Hakeem Olajuwon, and look what that brought to the team.

Lastly, Vince would finally be playing in a running offense style next year, and it would be nice to see how he fits in it in Toronto, rather than in Seattle. His numbers especially his assists (more shots taken with players who can make shots) and rebound numbers (Kevin O'neil didn't want players to go after offensive boards, which cuts about 1 rebound a game from Carter's numbers) should go up, and his scoring and FG% (more easy baskets through ball movment and transition) should face a decent increase too.
All in all, Carter playing is a system like Allen's will very likely put up better numbers, and he's younger, already making less, and is signed for a while.
Ray Allen might be asking for 6 years 100+ million as his new contract, and I wouldn't be willing to pay that for a 30 year old SG.

[ATTENTIONWHORE]

Allen is now in contract negotiations with the Sonics:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002003032_soni12.html

[Riot]

Ray Allen is overreated, IMO, I don't know if he's worth that kind of cash. Especially when he is getting up there in age.

[Rens]

Ray Allen Houston

[fgrep15]

This is another reason apart from the fact that Carter was younger, and liekly better that I didn't want Ray, because of the extentsion.

I just can't feel comfortable giving him something like a 6 year 100 million dollar contract, when he's 30 years old, just can't do it.

[VCFAN]

I think the max is a five year (not six) 100.5 million dollar contract. Ray Allen is definately not worth that kind of money. Not to mention that when he is close to 35 he will not be playing as well as he is now.

This would be a good trade talent wise as of now, Carter for Allen, but Carter is 2 years younger, and puts way more people in the seats than allen. This is why Babcock is being so fussy with Carter. He knows what Carter can do to a franchise in terms of attendance and tv ratings.

By the way, can someone explain to me what is meant by a max cantract. I know its the most amount that can be paid to a player, but why do some players make more money on a max contract compared to others. ex Shaq (close to 30 million a year) and Carter (12.5 million a year).

[Andrew]

I have to agree. As talented as he is, Allen no longer seems as durable as he was when he first entered the league (the same goes for Michael Finley) and although he's still putting up numbers that are fairly consistent with his career numbers a $100 million contract over five years is too much for a player who doesn't look like showing any more improvement and will be in his mid 30s by the time the contract expires.

To me, the Vince Carter/Ray Allen swap seems a little pointless. Carter has a size advantage and is more adept at guarding small forwards while Allen is a better shooter, but their numbers across the board are very similar. I think it would basically be a "change of plans, change of scene" kind of trade rather than one that completely changes the fortunes of each team.

[Rens]

Allen would play SG like Carter for the Raptors though, so I guess defending SFs isn't a real big issue.

Allen doesn't have the same appeal to the casual audience that Carter has though, but I think he's a bit better player. Bit better shooter, he takes it to the hoop more as well. Carter fits Mitchell's style of play better though, IF Mitchell lights a fire under his ass.

[Riot]

I don't see Toronto trading Vince Carter unless they fill their center gap and get another SG/SF back in return. They don't need to trade him so they will ask for the most they can possibley get.


How about Vince Carter/Shawn Marion swap? It doesn't fill center whole but Shawn can guard Three's and is one of the best defensive forwards in the league.

[Rens]

Corey Magette, Chris Wilcox and Shaun Livingston.

The Raptors have no center gap.

And we need someone who can put his mark on a game offensively, not Shawn Marion.

[Riot]

No center gap? Who is their center?

[Rens]

Haffa man!!



Here's a vid of him: Punchgate

Also, there's Jerome Moiso (I hate him, but he's there) and Loren Woods' contract should be accepted by the league any day now (it's been sent and there were too many incencitives, over 25%, so they had to rework it a bit)

[Jackal]

Allen Iverson to Seattle
Ray Allen to Toronto
Vince Carter to Philadelphia.

Possible?

Edit: Very possible according to Real GM trade checker.