Jamal Crawford to the Knicks

Like real basketball, as well as basketball video games? Talk about the NBA, NCAA, and other professional and amateur basketball leagues here.

Jamal Crawford to the Knicks

Postby Andrew on Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:01 pm

Nothing is official yet, though it sounds like Paxson is willing to make the deal as soon as he's satisfied.

Crawford Knick trade is at hand

Meanwhile, the pared-down Crawford package would likely include Dikembe Mutombo, Norris and $3 million moving to the Bulls for Jerome Williams and Crawford, at the very least.


Such a deal wouldn't go down as the greatest transaction in the history of the Chicago Bulls, but it would be getting something in return for Crawford rather than letting him sign an offer sheet and not matching it. Then again, since he is a restricted free agent the Bulls could match an offer and deal him away when a better trade scenario presents itself. Needless to say, New York is getting the best of that trade.
User avatar
Andrew
Retro Basketball Gamer
Administrator
 
Posts: 115082
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:51 pm
Location: Australia

Postby Fresh8 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:19 pm

Well...the Bulls do get rid of Crawford which means more minutes for Gordan and Hinrich to share. It's a shame for them to lose Crawford who was undoubtedly becomming better.

Actually- the Bulls have had such bad luck these days... I wonder how they would be doing if Jay Will wasnt nearly killed and still in the backcourt with Crawford... they could have drafted some other guy other than Hinrich...maybe a playoff team by this season?
User avatar
Fresh8
The poster formerly known as Sit
 
Posts: 14872
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2002 5:19 pm

Postby J@3 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:03 pm

Why do the Bulls try and re-build every single season?
User avatar
J@3
 
Posts: 19815
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:25 pm
Location: MLB

Postby Owen on Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:12 pm

What Would Jaesus Do? wrote:Why do the Bulls try and re-build every single season?


because they have no luck
Owen
 
Posts: 2568
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:38 pm

Postby PRoPuLsiOnDJ on Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:14 pm

What Would Jaesus Do? wrote:Why do the Bulls try and re-build every single season?


becuz they suck every previous season
PRoPuLsiOnDJ
 
Posts: 450
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:36 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Postby The Game on Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:20 pm

What Would Jaesus Do? wrote:Why do the Bulls try and re-build every single season?

they probably got tired of winning
User avatar
The Game
 
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:16 pm
Location: Philippines

Postby Owen on Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:02 pm

i suggest bulls to change their uniform to get rid of good memories... :roll:
Owen
 
Posts: 2568
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:38 pm

Postby DipSetVC on Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:32 am

I heard it's a done deal now, but feel free to prove me wrong.
User avatar
DipSetVC
 
Posts: 428
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:43 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada

Postby RedTorro on Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:41 am

Again another bad trade for the Bulls post Jordan era. I can't stand watching this team go in the crapper year after year. Paxson isn't learning from past mistakes. Ron Artest for nothing and now this. (Yes I did say Ron Artest for nothing because look at what he have left from that trade.)
User avatar
RedTorro
 
Posts: 370
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:02 am
Location: Moreno Valley, CA

Postby thaKEAF on Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:18 am

Knicks get the best of the deal but their backcourt is gonna be pretty small.
Image
User avatar
thaKEAF
 
Posts: 734
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:59 am
Location: Memphis, TN

Postby Amphatoast on Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:45 am

hope it goes through...all summer the knicks have been in every rumor, and haven't gotten nothing done yet.
Amphatoast
 
Posts: 3004
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:45 am
Location: new york

Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:57 am

is the trade REALLY happening now? are those even the players to be invovled in the trade? there's been so much misinformation out there (go figure mostly from the nypost) about this trade and i've been hearing these reports of it being imminent, announced tomorrow, etc for 5 weeks now.

Logan wrote:i suggest bulls to change their uniform to get rid of good memories... :roll:

oh you mean the 6 championships in 8 years?

Andrew wrote:but it would be getting something in return for Crawford rather than letting him sign an offer sheet and not matching it. Then again, since he is a restricted free agent the Bulls could match an offer and deal him away when a better trade scenario presents itself.

so what's your point here?
Jump.
Scott Skiles answer to the question on how Eddy Curry can become a better rebounder
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 7867
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:06 pm
Location: windy city

Postby DipSetVC on Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:24 am

Here's the trade that should be made official any second:


To Knicks:
Jerome Williams
Jamal Crawford

To Bulls:
Dikembe Mutumbo
Othella Harrington
Frank Williams
Cezery Trybanski
User avatar
DipSetVC
 
Posts: 428
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:43 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada

Postby Amphatoast on Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:48 am

:evil: i don't want frank williams in the deal
that sucks, he is going to be a great player but i guess he won't be by backing up marbury, thats kinda holding up his career. Well we still got Moochie a true back up to back up
Amphatoast
 
Posts: 3004
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:45 am
Location: new york

Postby Carlos Boozer on Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:36 am

Yeah,let´s build 4ever.
Rebuilding sucks. Make a team,not the bunch of" 20 game winners in a season" :P
Carlos Boozer
 
Posts: 363
Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:12 pm

Postby FanOfAll on Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:38 pm

I question if NY is really getting the best of this deal. They're definitely in salary cap hell (before, there was a slim chance they could swim out of it), with a 6/7 yr, 55 million contract JC will get. Not to mention that JC is a good shooter, but nowhere near being the spot up shooter that Marbury needs to be surrounded with. The JYD should be loved in NY though for his hustle and rebounding though. For the Bulls, they get a very good backup PG, expiring contracts (Deke, Stiff, Harrington) and rumor went that Pax wanted Deke as a mentor for Curry.

However, I don't know if this is a good deal or not for the Bulls. It is a salary move and probably the best one out there, but there's hardly any talent or veteran presence coming back. We do have enough talent, but another solid vet would could play (and guard 2's) would help.
FanOfAll
 
Posts: 930
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:44 am

Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:11 pm

we're talking about NY here, they don't care about how much they will be over the cap. the only drawback i see with this deal is that by including all of the expiring contracts, NY will have a harder time making future deals this year.

i'm not exactly sure how JC and Marbs will fit since imo they are both combo guards, but my guess is that JC's shooting numbers should improve since he no longer has to be the #1 option and is playing along a proven stud in marbs

as for the bulls...
i really hope JC does go to NYK. he was never appreciated here (drafting PG's 2yrs straight) and when they finally gave him a chance, they made him the #1 option at his unnatural position and based most of their evaluations on how he fared there. he'll get to play for a GM/team that wants him and at a stadium where he played pretty well

i'm not for trading your leading scorer for expiring contracts, but i'll give pax kudos for not giving in to zeke + aaron goodwin's demands and getting what he wanted all along and - cap relief (which i don't get anyway since next year curry and chandler's contracts are up). i don't buy this deke mentor business since A davis is already here and supposedly was brought in to do the same thing. besides, my guess is that deke doesn't want to be in chicago in the first place. othella and williams are ok i guess

i would hope Pax has some deal lined up already invovling bringing in a legit sized shooting guard since as he just traded the only player that resembled that

damn pax, easy on the point guards...
Jump.
Scott Skiles answer to the question on how Eddy Curry can become a better rebounder
User avatar
air gordon
 
Posts: 7867
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:06 pm
Location: windy city

Postby FanOfAll on Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:04 pm

crawford4MIP4real wrote:we're talking about NY here, they don't care about how much they will be over the cap. the only drawback i see with this deal is that by including all of the expiring contracts, NY will have a harder time making future deals this year.

When Dolan realizes that IT doesn't have a clue how to put together a team besides hording black athletes to run up and down the floor, he'll care about being over the cap.

as for the bulls...
i really hope JC does go to NYK. he was never appreciated here (drafting PG's 2yrs straight) and when they finally gave him a chance, they made him the #1 option at his unnatural position and based most of their evaluations on how he fared there. he'll get to play for a GM/team that wants him and at a stadium where he played pretty well

I know he started his career at point, but honestly, I think he's a much better 2 than 1. He loves creating for himself and that's what he's about. Although putting him next to a Boris Diaw and letting JC run the point isn't bad...

i'm not for trading your leading scorer for expiring contracts, but i'll give pax kudos for not giving in to zeke + aaron goodwin's demands and getting what he wanted all along and - cap relief (which i don't get anyway since next year curry and chandler's contracts are up). i don't buy this deke mentor business since A davis is already here and supposedly was brought in to do the same thing. besides, my guess is that deke doesn't want to be in chicago in the first place. othella and williams are ok i guess

Maybe 3 weeks ago, Deke said he didn't want to come. I think 2-3 weeks ago, the rumor floated around that Pax wanted Deke around to mentor Curry and Chandler. I don't know, that was what, as you said Davis and the ex-coach, Cartwright were for. Tough nosed, defenders to teach the youngsters a few things. Deke is/was light years ahead of them though. I think right now, we've gone through a few mentors, it's time for the two kids to dedicate themselves.

i would hope Pax has some deal lined up already invovling bringing in a legit sized shooting guard since as he just traded the only player that resembled that

damn pax, easy on the point guards...

Yeah, the Bulls definitely a big guard who can guard other 2's. Besides E-Rob who we all know plays 35 minutes a game, every game :roll:, there's no one on that squad who can guard 2 guards night in and night out. Deng and Nocioni (assuming the rumor is true) are both too slow to guard most of the 2 guards in the league. Gordon and Hinrich are too small... :doh:. I think Pax is trying to find himself in one of these drafts :lol:.
FanOfAll
 
Posts: 930
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:44 am

Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:50 pm

crawford4MIP4real wrote:
Andrew wrote:but it would be getting something in return for Crawford rather than letting him sign an offer sheet and not matching it. Then again, since he is a restricted free agent the Bulls could match an offer and deal him away when a better trade scenario presents itself.

so what's your point here?


My point is that the Bulls have other options but since they seem interested in this one, at least it's not just letting Crawford walk. I know letting a player go with little concern for who comes in return (if anyone at all) is an effective means of cutting costs and can be noble (Pip to Houston, though as you know I still don't like what happened there :P), but I don't think the Bulls can afford that right now.

If Pax's plan is to get better through trades, he can't waste the few tradeable players they have on deals that are subpar. Frankly I don't think the rumoured deal that is quoted above is good enough, but in all fairness it is getting something in return for Crawford instead of watching him sign an offer sheet and letting him walk.

That's my point. ;)
User avatar
Andrew
Retro Basketball Gamer
Administrator
 
Posts: 115082
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:51 pm
Location: Australia

Postby MC Hao on Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:52 am

now all we gotta do is get carter and dampier!!!! trade houston goddammit!!! trade tim thomas goddammit!!!
Image
User avatar
MC Hao
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2002 12:57 pm

Postby Homer on Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:29 am

.
Last edited by Homer on Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
Homer
 
Posts: 91
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:04 pm

Postby DipSetVC on Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:15 am

The deal has just been made official. Great trade for the Bulls, they get rid of a poison and are on their way to save $16 Million next season and $20 Million the year after that in expiring salaries.
User avatar
DipSetVC
 
Posts: 428
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:43 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada

Postby Matthew on Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:49 am

they get rid of a poison

lol.. a poison? Yep, alot of teams would hate to have a young, up comming combo guard like Jamal Crawford. Those silly Knicks :crazy:
User avatar
Matthew
 
Posts: 5812
Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2002 7:34 pm
Location: Sydney

Postby Eugene on Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:57 pm

This trade is fool's gold for the Knicks. Isiah Thomas has stocked the team with career underachievers, team cancers, and possibly worst of all, bad contracts (I love Stephon Marbury, I really do, but at this point, I'm thinking he fits all three categories: at this point, don't you think he'd have "gotten" it by now? I mean, he's included in trade talks again, for Vince Carter, no less).

Let's look at the roster:

The Knicks have:

Stephon Marbury: I've said all I needed to say, but I really do like him and his intensity. I'm going to give him one more chance on this Olympics and this season, before writing him off completely.

Allan Houston: I still can't get over this one. 7 year 100 mil contract for a jump shooter who can't create his own shot? Really?

Tim Thomas: He's even more of an underachiever than Keith Van Horn. Really, look up his stats sometime. Well, I did. He's a career 12 and 5 guy. At least Van Horn had outside range.

Shandon Anderson: I don't ever remember him making a key play for the team. Ever.

Jamal Crawford: Combo guard. Yes, he's an adept scorer. But he plays no certifiable defense and really, didn't we expect more out of him?

Jerome Williams: Great energy guy, does all the little things, but doesn't really score well, and that contract...

Erick Dampier (possibly): Another career underachiever, who only played well in his contract year. Proceeded to end his own career by saying publicly that he can hold Shaq better than anyone. This is Angry Shaq we're talking about, too.

Vin Baker (possibly): He's had his chances. He's a drunk, and he gets no sympathy from me (alcoholism is a serious problem, but one that is utterly avoidable. If he has no self-control and can't refuse a drink, then why do we keep making excuses for him. That's Enabling behavior, to use an AA term).

Whether these guys end up on the roster or not, the fact remains, Thomas has effectively loaded this team with overpaid and underachieving guys who lack a team concept. Yes, Detroit built a team of career ne'er do wells and beat the Lakers, but the Pistons actually picked up team guys, hustle guys in the process (and the Lakers were old and fat and unmotivated). There's not a single character guy on the Knicks. Don't these GM's ever learn? You're supposed to build a team. If you need to take less talent to do it, then fine, but basketball is a team sport and you need team guys.

The Knicks are talented enough to get a 4-6 seed in the East. But where do they go from there? They're still not better than Indy-Detroit-Miami. And they are certainly not going to win the championship like this. So they're right back where they started, good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win it all, doomed to first and second round exits throughout the rest of this decade (because no one's going to want to trade with them) until their contracts run out and they'll fall into rebuilding mode. The only hope the Knicks fans have is that by then, Dolan will be patient and will have hired a decent GM. Not much of a hope, but there it is.

Really. I mean really. They might as well trade for Vince Carter and Antoine Walker and just get the whole thing over with. In fact, just take all the cancers from all the teams: get GP, get Zach Randolph, Darius Miles, and let them fight it out.

Analysis for Bulls will be posted tomorrow, I imagine.

All the best,

Eugene
The task of the artist is to translate for us the essence of things we take for granted.
Eugene
 
Posts: 227
Joined: Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:58 am

Postby Matt on Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:03 pm

Jamal Crawford is no doubt a good up & coming player but if he wants team success he needs to change his game. I.e, DEFENCE, a team orientated game and DEFENCE

him and Marbury in the same backcourt doesn't look good....oooh, I forgot Houston...so is Crawford an expensive 6th man?
Image
User avatar
Matt
 
Posts: 7236
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 6:48 pm
Location: Australia

Next

Return to NBA & Basketball

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests