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Kobe accuser's sex life can be used against her

Postby Alcoholic on Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:39 pm

ESPN wrote:Friday, July 23, 2004


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DENVER -- The judge in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case ruled Friday that the accuser's sex life during the week of their encounter can be used against her at trial, a huge victory for the defense and perhaps the most important decision in the case.


District Judge Terry Ruckriegle said details of the woman's sexual activities in the three days before her July 1, 2003, hospital examination are relevant to help determine the cause of her injuries and the source of DNA evidence. He also said the evidence was important in determining the woman's credibility.


Colorado's strict rape-shield law, which generally prevents the sex life of an alleged assault victim from being admitted as evidence, does not apply to all the information Bryant's lawyers wanted to introduce, the judge said. He said "specific instances of sexual activity" and evidence of sex can be offered to bolster the defense contention that her injuries were not caused by the NBA star.


“ This evidence is as damaging a set of facts as a prosecutor could ever have to contend with and one wonders if at long last the accuser will pull the plug on this case. ”
— Larry Pozner, former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers


Under seal, the judge filed a detailed ruling explaining what evidence will be admitted. He also extended the deadline for a plea bargain to Wednesday.


Prosecutors will decide how to proceed after reviewing the decision and no options have been ruled out, prosecution spokeswoman Krista Flannigan said.


"We have no plans of not moving forward with the prosecution," she said. "It's just, what is that going to look like?"


The woman's attorney, John Clune, declined comment and defense attorneys did not return a call.


"This case is just going to have a massive accumulation of evidence that targets the credibility of the accuser. In most sexual assault cases, the complaining witness is the strength of the case. In this one, she's the weakness of the case," said Larry Pozner, former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. "This evidence is as damaging a set of facts as a prosecutor could ever have to contend with and one wonders if at long last the accuser will pull the plug on this case."


Cynthia Stone, executive director of the Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault, said the ruling was discouraging but said the final decision will be up to Eagle County jurors.


"This stuff is going to be put in front of the jury along with all the other evidence -- it's just a small piece of that," she said. "The ultimate question the jury has to answer is whether Kobe Bryant forced this woman to have sex against her will."


Bryant, 25, faces an Aug. 27 trial on a single charge of felony sexual assault. He has pleaded not guilty, saying he had consensual sex last summer with the woman, then a 19-year-old front desk worker at a Vail-area resort. She is now 20.


“ We have no plans of not moving forward with the prosecution. It's just, what is that going to look like? ”
— Krista Flannigan, prosecution spokeswoman


If convicted, Bryant faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine up to $750,000.


The judge has already settled a number of key issues with jury selection just five weeks away. But the defense's bid to question the accuser's credibility by bringing up her sex life was considered one of the most important pieces of the upcoming trial.


The defense has suggested the woman had multiple sexual partners in the days surrounding her June 2003 encounter with Bryant, including sex with someone after the alleged attack and before she contacted the authorities. Her attorney has vehemently denied that claim. The defense contends injuries found on her during an exam at a Glenwood Springs hospital could have been caused by someone other than Bryant.


Ruckriegle agreed the woman's sex life in the 72 hours before the exam was relevant, but barred "any and all other evidence" related to her conduct.


The defense can introduce evidence about the relationships between the alleged victim and the first people she spoke with after her encounter with Bryant. Ruckriegle did not identify them, but two have been identified in previous court filings and hearings as former boyfriend Matt Herr, with whom she exchanged cell-phone text messages, and former co-worker and high school classmate Bobby Pietrack.


Ruckriegle said such evidence could include information about whether sexual intimacy was part of those relationships, but said he would limit that discussion to evidence detailed in the sealed ruling.


Prosecutors could ask the state Supreme Court to review the decision, said Norm Early, a former Denver district attorney familiar with the case. He said, however, that such a request could suggest the prosecution believes the ruling harms their case.


Bob Pugsley, a professor at Southwestern University School of Law, agreed with Pozner that the ruling would probably survive an appeal.


"We're not talking about remote history, we're not talking about anyone else other than the alleged victim's own statements against Kobe and her own behavior, which can be scientifically documented through the DNA samples on the underwear that she wore to her examination," Pugsley said.


The prosecution can still use evidence that includes Bryant's statements to investigators and a T-shirt stained with the woman's blood. Early also said the defense would still have to explain why the woman might have had sex before going to the authorities.


"But those are things for the jury to determine," Early said.


In a separate development, attorneys for Ruckriegle said they had asked U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to uphold his order barring media organizations from releasing details from a closed-door hearing that were mistakenly e-mailed by a court reporter.


The judge's order, which was upheld this week by the Colorado Supreme Court, threatens news organizations including ESPN and The Associated Press with contempt of court if material is published from last month's hearing on the woman's sex life and other issues.


The other organizations involved in the transcripts case are The Denver Post, Los Angeles Times, CBS, Fox News and the television show "Celebrity Justice."


The media groups contend the order is an unconstitutional prior restraint of a free press. But the Colorado attorney general's office, representing Ruckriegle, said publication could torpedo the trial.


"Depending on the information the petitioners may choose to disseminate to the world, publication may violate constitutionally based and statutory privacy rights of the alleged victim and the defendant in this case, substantially hinder jury selection ... and impinge upon the defendant's right to a fair trial," the attorneys wrote. They also suggested publication could discourage assault victims from reporting the attacks to authorities and claimed the media should have appealed to the Colorado Supreme Court before seeking out Breyer.


Didn't exactly know where to post this, but I thought you guys might have wanted to know. This looks good for Kobe.
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Postby tcrock on Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:00 pm

still wont matter he's Kobe he aint goin to jail he just might have AIDS or a bad case of Ghnorrea (however you spell it) or sumetin like that :lol:
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:02 pm

Kobe is innocent...I will say it again...innocent.
Things indeed are looking better for him; can't say the same for his team though... :roll:
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Postby Matthew on Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:38 pm

Kobe is innocent...I will say it again...innocent.

Yep you were there so you must know.

This to me is disgusting how the womans sex life is relevant... like there is a "right way" or "wrong way" to act after a girl is raped or not.. and for all you faggots out there that say shes a bitch and what have you, i hope you get raped one day, and when you take it to the police you get death threats and trampled through the media like its your fault. if this girl wanted money, kobe and her would have come to an agreement out of court ala michael jackson some years ago.
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:57 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:
Kobe is innocent...I will say it again...innocent.

Yep you were there so you must know.


Actually, the evidence suggests that he was innocent...pay attention to that, oh yeah, and stop coming to bogus conclusions. (Y)
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Postby J@3 on Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:00 am

The Beatles sucked.
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:01 am

I wrote:stop coming to bogus conclusions. (Y)


Also:
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Postby Jay-Peso on Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:08 am

I just got done seeing this on ESPNews.

I seriously think Kobe is innocent.
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Postby J@3 on Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:41 am

Rules wrote:Respect the opinions of your fellow forum members.


Why don't you try it Lankyman? My opinion: The Beatles sucked cock, and have done for a long long time. Oh, and I hate rap.
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:57 am

Jae. wrote:Oh, and I hate rap.

At least we have 1 thing in common... :beer: (Y)
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Postby Alcoholic on Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:29 am

Yeah but the prosecutors have to prove that she did it unwillingly... they could very well have done it and Kobe could have been the one that injured her but she could have said yeah lets do it so I don't know how they are going to prove that it was unwilling.
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Postby [Q] on Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:46 am

ok... my two cents on this whole thing...
I personally would like to see Kobe go to jail... I'm not a fan of his, especially after forcing the firing of Phil Jax & trading of Shaq.
Now, whether he's guilty or not, only he & the accuser knows.
BUT I hate it how everyone forgets what happened. Everybody says, KOBE IS INNOCENT and crap like that... even if he didn't RAPE her, he still banged her and he admitted that...
so my conclusion for now is: "He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar." R.I.P. Chick Hearn... I rest my case.
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Postby Matthew on Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:38 am

I don't particularly want kobe to goto jail, unless if he did it. Now we'll never know for sure...
Actually, the evidence suggests that he was innocent

Yeah the evidence that the da saw and felt it was legitimate enough to persue a case with
oh yeah, and stop coming to bogus conclusions.

But you forget a beauty you came up with "Kobe is innocent...I will say it again...innocent. "
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Postby tcrock on Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:10 am

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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:22 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:I don't particularly want kobe to goto jail, unless if he did it. Now we'll never know for sure...
Actually, the evidence suggests that he was innocent

Yeah the evidence that the da saw and felt it was legitimate enough to persue a case with
oh yeah, and stop coming to bogus conclusions.

But you forget a beauty you came up with "Kobe is innocent...I will say it again...innocent. "


You don't have to flame to get your point across...I'll admit I wasn't thinking straight...jeez...we all make mistakes. :roll:

:idea: This thread should be moved to the "NBA Talk" forum.
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Postby Matt on Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:27 pm

maybe they just had some real rough sex :D

Kobe will be off the hook guilty or not
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Postby Alcoholic on Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:03 pm

I hate it when I see people say something like "Kobe is guilty he will go to jail!" yada yada yada... you're innocent until proven guilty, so I still believe Kobe did nothing wrong.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:48 pm

Basically-

Kobe Bryant is a superstar...someone of his status could get anyone into bed. And I think you have to admit that if Kobe walked up to a chick...they would want to screw him. Unless he was the uglyest thing on the planet.

He's got money and fame. SHe would at least want to fuck him only to brag that she did!

In this case- it's quite possible she wanted to have sex and then get money from him.

Kobe admitted to adultry and I believe he only had consensual sex.

Think about it. Kobe wouldnt need to 'force' himself onto someone for sex!
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Postby Matthew on Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:46 pm

I'm not flaming you lanky, :). I just think some of the things you said contradicted yourself...

as for the "why would kobe need to rape anyone" its stupid. why would r kelly have to molest a girl, why would mystical do the same? why would mike tyson have had too? is it possible the girl didnt want to have sex? is it possible kobe felt that "hey, im kobe bryant, i can get any girl"? i think it is..
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Postby Boyk on Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:56 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:I'm not flaming you lanky, :). I just think some of the things you said contradicted yourself...

as for the "why would kobe need to rape anyone" its stupid. why would r kelly have to molest a girl, why would mystical do the same? why would mike tyson have had too? is it possible the girl didnt want to have sex? is it possible kobe felt that "hey, im kobe bryant, i can get any girl"? i think it is..


Heh, damn, R.Kelly molested the girl, shit, i thought he had sex with a girl under 18 or whatever.

Mystikal, well apparentley the girl stole some of his jewellry or some shit, and thought her giving him head would make up for it, stupid huh?

and Tyson.....................well hes just a psycho who sounds like a pussy.


But the 3 people you just mentioned all have wierd ways to themselves, gangsta rapper stereotypes, tyson like i said is a psycho.

Kobe seems different and i just cant see him doing anything like that.
thats my opinion, like people have theirs, i have mine.

though if he did do it, i'll be surprised as hell.
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Postby ATTENTIONWHORE on Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:45 am

I wrote: This thread should be moved to the "NBA Talk" forum.

Wow...someone moved it; it used to be in the "General Talk" forum.
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Postby VCFAN on Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:36 am

not all famous people get off free anymore.
look at Martha Suart. hopefully her case can be the beginning of the era when superstars get off free.
I also agree that kobe din't rape her. He can have any woman he wants just by winking at her. If she said no to him he could have just walked into the hall and found someone else after 2 seconds. I'm not a kobe fan at all if thats why you think I'm saying this. I actually don't even like him.
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Postby Matthew on Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:51 am

I heard he molested her(r.kelly), but that might not be true. im not totally up to date on entertainment news... I just don't see anything the women has gotten out of this case, or attempted to get. If she was after cash, she wouldve had her team talk to kobes and it would have been settled now. all this woman has gotten is negative publicity and death threats...
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Postby [Q] on Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:31 pm

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:lol: wow that is hilarious... A great post with no words...
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Postby Fresh8 on Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:28 pm

Dude...and I used to go round school promoting... Kobe, Michael Jackson and R Kelly... God- tell me why they all turned out as possible criminals?
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