KMart S&T to Denver "on the verge"

by **FanOfAll** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:06 pm

ESPN

Man ESPN is on the ball during the off-season. During the season, they're so slow it shocks me.

This is a really risky move for both teams...if Denver becomes a 50 win team, it's at least 3 late first rounders (most likely). This also clogs up Denver's #1 asset....cap space. They haven't addressed their SG problems either (another shooter to go with Lenard and a defender). But it gives them another shot blocker, defensive presence, and rebounder who can run the break. The Nets can re-sign RJ with more ease next year with Kittles coming off the books...but it leaves them weak up front.

by **Riot** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:23 pm

Martin is average at best on offense and average rebounder. He is only suberb at defense. I don't see how he is worth a max contract. Especially since he is heading INTO the west.

17 and 9 in the East with Jason Kidd. How can he put this up int West? I expect 14 and 8 that's not max quality.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:08 pm

I would have thought the Nets would prefer to match offer sheets or simply give K-Mart the extension he's after. I can't see those three future draft picks being particularly useful if the Nuggets remain in the top eight in the West.

by **Matt** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:54 pm

actually, i expect Martin to do the same if not better than his current stats. After all Nuggets ran more and thus scored more than the Nets....I think (?)

by **Boyk** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:30 pm

stack42 wrote:actually, i expect Martin to do the same if not better than his current stats. After all Nuggets ran more and thus scored more than the Nets....I think (?)

Yes they did.
Andre Miller was really underrated for what he did for the nuggets last season.
Sure Melo was awesome, and Camby and Hilario made a solid twin towers defensivley.
But Andres PG skills were the reason they were so good, every time he got the ball he wanted to pass, ran the fastbreak great, and is possibley the most unselfish player in the game, even more than Jason Kidd, yes Jason probably makes better plays, but he puts up some shit sometimes.
I expect Martin to do a heck of a job.

how does this sound?
Camby
Nene
Martin
Melo
Miller

:shock:

Martin is capable i think, has quickness, is only about 6'8 6'9 and has an improven jumper.
intersting to see.

by **matmat8** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:56 pm

Martin SF and Melo SG

...no.
Is Hassell available? I think that would be good fit for nuggets. They need a good defensive player (not that hassell is great but still).
They just keep lenard to shoot.
That gives you:
C. Camby
Pf. Martin
Sf. Melo
Sg. Hassell
Pg. Miller

6. Nene
7. Boykins
8. Lenard
9. Andersen

That's pretty good.

by **Boyk** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:15 pm

No.
you dont bench a guy that you want to be something
Nene on the bench is a bad idea, coz he'll more than likely demand trade or sign with another team.
stupid idea.
either they go with a lineup similar to what i stated, or imo, there is no damn point in signing martin.

oh and by the way, what is wrong with melo playing the 2??
Martin playin sf i see a little bit of worries, but melo has the speed and quickness,driving ability and shooting to play 2.

by **-BHZMAFIA-** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:31 pm

I bet Nene will be benched though :wink:

by **matmat8** on Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:32 pm

Ok for Melo at the 2 but Martin at the 3 i don't see.
Why stupid idea :roll:

, just say you don't agree.
I guess they will probably involve Nene in a trade for an sg IF they get Martin but no, having depth is not stupid and Nene can play the 4 and 5 IMO, so he could get decent minutes.

by **Riot** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:03 am

I've heard nene and boykins for ray allen trades going aorund :shock:

Miller-Allen-Melo-Kmart-Camby

by **fgrep15** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:02 am

Laddas_KB8_CA15 wrote:No.
you dont bench a guy that you want to be something
Nene on the bench is a bad idea, coz he'll more than likely demand trade or sign with another team.
stupid idea.
either they go with a lineup similar to what i stated, or imo, there is no damn point in signing martin.

oh and by the way, what is wrong with melo playing the 2??
Martin playin sf i see a little bit of worries, but melo has the speed and quickness,driving ability and shooting to play 2.

I hope Nene can be traded to Toronto for Mo-Pete or something, I hate the idea of getting Kenyon on Denver because of what it does to Nene

by **FanOfAll** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 7:41 am

Lol, fgrep, you wish

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I haven't heard many rumors for Nene...the one for Allen sounds sensible though. I just don't think he's going anywhere because he's their best man-up post defender and still a very raw but developing player. The Nets wanted Nene-Martin straight up, but the Nuggets rejected. They love the idea of having a Camby, Nene, and Martin rotating at the 4/5. Plus, don't forget how fragile Camby is.

Ok for Melo at the 2 but Martin at the 3 i don't see.
Why stupid idea , just say you don't agree.
I guess they will probably involve Nene in a trade for an sg IF they get Martin but no, having depth is not stupid and Nene can play the 4 and 5 IMO, so he could get decent minutes.

You could see that, but I doubt we'll see it often. 'Melo doesn't have the lateral quickness to guard some 2's like AI, Kobe, Ginobili, although he could get by vs guys like Stephen Jackson. Martin meanwhile can guard the 3 easily, but think about, that team would have lots of offensive problems against sagging defenses ala DET's or O'Brien's. Martin does have an improving jumper, but his post game has developed into a more lethal threat than his jumper, which only goes out to about 18 feet. 'Melo is a shaky shooting 20' feet and out...as is Miller. The only advantage offensively for such a lineup is size. 'Melo can post up his defender, so can Martin and both can back the defender down with ease. However, you have to space the floor effectively and with mediocre shooters, opposing teams won't hesitate to double 'Melo/Martin in the post and leave Miller open.

Martin is average at best on offense and average rebounder. He is only suberb at defense. I don't see how he is worth a max contract. Especially since he is heading INTO the west.

Well I think it's the energy and the defense the Nuggets want here. And honestly, he made lots of strides last year on offense, developing a solid baby hook and more post moves. Both he and RJ played very well when Kidd went out with injuries.

I think Nene gets moved to the bench here, because he's a solid backup at both the 4 and 5.

Camby/Nene/Elson
Martin/Nene/'Skita
'Melo/'Skita
Hassell (?)/Lenard
Miller/Boykins

White and Andersen are FA's...I don't think Andersen will return now and White I'm unsure about. Kiki wants him back last I read, but Bzdelik doesn't like him...

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:47 am

Well, maybe they could bench Nene, but he could be the sixth man and get starter minutes where you could alternate him between C and PF

by **Riot** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:11 pm

I seriously doubt Hassell is leaving Minnesota.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:03 pm

FanOfAll wrote:Lol, fgrep, you wish .

I haven't heard many rumors for Nene...the one for Allen sounds sensible though. I just don't think he's going anywhere because he's their best man-up post defender and still a very raw but developing player. The Nets wanted Nene-Martin straight up, but the Nuggets rejected. They love the idea of having a Camby, Nene, and Martin rotating at the 4/5. Plus, don't forget how fragile Camby is.

Ok for Melo at the 2 but Martin at the 3 i don't see.
Why stupid idea , just say you don't agree.
I guess they will probably involve Nene in a trade for an sg IF they get Martin but no, having depth is not stupid and Nene can play the 4 and 5 IMO, so he could get decent minutes.

You could see that, but I doubt we'll see it often. 'Melo doesn't have the lateral quickness to guard some 2's like AI, Kobe, Ginobili, although he could get by vs guys like Stephen Jackson. Martin meanwhile can guard the 3 easily, but think about, that team would have lots of offensive problems against sagging defenses ala DET's or O'Brien's. Martin does have an improving jumper, but his post game has developed into a more lethal threat than his jumper, which only goes out to about 18 feet. 'Melo is a shaky shooting 20' feet and out...as is Miller. The only advantage offensively for such a lineup is size. 'Melo can post up his defender, so can Martin and both can back the defender down with ease. However, you have to space the floor effectively and with mediocre shooters, opposing teams won't hesitate to double 'Melo/Martin in the post and leave Miller open.

Martin is average at best on offense and average rebounder. He is only suberb at defense. I don't see how he is worth a max contract. Especially since he is heading INTO the west.

Well I think it's the energy and the defense the Nuggets want here. And honestly, he made lots of strides last year on offense, developing a solid baby hook and more post moves. Both he and RJ played very well when Kidd went out with injuries.

I think Nene gets moved to the bench here, because he's a solid backup at both the 4 and 5.

Camby/Nene/Elson
Martin/Nene/'Skita
'Melo/'Skita
Hassell (?)/Lenard
Miller/Boykins

White and Andersen are FA's...I don't think Andersen will return now and White I'm unsure about. Kiki wants him back last I read, but Bzdelik doesn't like him...

Seriously, I do, I can't stand Mo-Pete already, and if we could magically, and I mean magically trade Rose and Mo-Pete for Andre Miller and Nene I would cry, even a videogame wouldn't accept that.

Anyways, Camby will probably get injured so Nene will be starting at center anyways.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:58 pm

Even if he's healthy the Nuggets might prefer to make Camby the backup centre while starting Nene in the middle from day one. I know that Camby is the established veteran and he had a pretty good season last year (solid numbers with 8.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg and 2.6 bpg in the regular season; 12.6 ppg, 11.4 rpg in the playoffs; played and started a career high 72 games during the regular season), but Nene is an up-and-coming big man.

Perhaps they'll split the season starting, depending on who plays best alongside the other four starters and who is playing the best basketball at the time.

by **EGarrett** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:14 am

Tough loss. I think if an owner demonstrates that he's not interested in winning basketball games he should be forced out of the league. Bruce Ratner is already on the fast track.

Martin is worth less than the max but more than the three picks we got. But just to note...those picks aren't Denver's picks, but picks from teams like New York who have a great chance to end up in the lottery.

by **poorch** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:04 pm

nene's not good enough to start even if he only goes by one name

startn line > pg miller, sg lenard (3ptthreat), sf melo, pf kmart, c camby (blokn machine)
locked in for another playoff spot

by **twolvezfanfoever** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:40 am

Im shocked aint nobody been talkin bout K Mart

by **FanOfAll** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:12 am

EGarrett wrote:Tough loss. I think if an owner demonstrates that he's not interested in winning basketball games he should be forced out of the league. Bruce Ratner is already on the fast track.

Martin is worth less than the max but more than the three picks we got. But just to note...those picks aren't Denver's picks, but picks from teams like New York who have a great chance to end up in the lottery.

It's Washington, Orlando, and LAC's picks. I don't remember the details on the picks, except for LAC...which is lottery protected next year and unprotected 06. I believe Washington's is protected for another 2 years, lottery and top 10/3.

by **Matt** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:20 pm

So if the pick is lottery protected it can only be #15 + ? So if the pick is below #15 do the Nets forfeit the pick, in case it's the last year that the pick can be awarded. (If that makes sense)

I know Detroit had the Memphis pick, but it would have to forfeit it if it was #1, oh wait hold on i get it now, no need to explain

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:37 pm

That makes the deal sound a little better, but I still think it's basically a steal for the Nuggets. Their improvement will likely come from the continued development of Melo and the addition of suitable bits and pieces to surround their core players. They can afford to give up those picks.

New Jersey could get some fine young players with those picks, but that's still a gamble and much less than what they could have received in return.

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:12 pm

Andersen is in New Orleans...which fucking sucks

by **Matthew** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:37 pm

Nice font colour osf, very fashionable

Anderson in New Orleans, along with Baron and Smith... they have alot of dunkers now.

Denver have alot of depth up front.. the only hole is at shooting guard. they have the perfect poing guard for the situation as well in miller.. but there are expectations on denver this year, and just look at the cubs to see what happened with them when they had to deal with that. It should be interesting.

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:43 pm

So... what does having a protected pick mean?

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