VINCE WANTS OUT!

[Amphatoast]

Vince Carter apparently has asked the Toronto Raptors to trade him, ESPN's David Aldridge reported Thursday.

this is really crazy. Yet anther superstar wants to be traded. What's going on here, it seems like the so call franchise players are all on the move! Kobe, vince, Pierce, Ray Allan, all on the loose!

[Ruff Ryder]

I don't blame him. They could have gotten something waaaaaay better at the number 8 pick. Jameer Nelson what have been great, because they would have a real pg. But instead...

That AI-Carter deal looks like it could be re thought over...

[tcrock]

I think it would be a good trade for VC but then i bet 100 to 1 AI wouldnt be happy so its a win-lose situation one of them is going to be unhappy

[FanOfAll]

Yet another whiny superstar. This started last year when GG took Bosh instead of buying into Carter's demands of trading for vets. It got worse when he got injured, his intensity and heart repeatedly questioned. And this offseason he wanted Dr. J to be Head of Basketball Ops/GM but instead the job went to Babcock...i love it when superstars try to play GM for their team.

[Old School Fool]

Toronto is the only place I can see VC at this moment.


Wooooooowwwwww.

[fgrep15]

I do and don't (much more do than don't) blame him, he should suck it up an not be a baby, if he feels the team isn't going in the right direction then he should change it by how he plays.

It seems like they're saying our draft pick is the main culprit in his decision, and I think that's stupid, looking at it from every angle, it wasn't the greatest pick, but he will help the team and be decent for us if he produces.

Trade Ideas:

Vince for Marion and Carbakapa (Lampe, or Barbosa)

Vince for Baron Davis and Tractor Traylor

Vince for Joe Johnson, Barbosa and Lampe

Vince for Arenas, Hayes and Haywood

Vince and Alvin Williams for Arenas, Etan and Dixon

Vince for Arenas, Haywood and Jefferies

[MaD_hAND1e]

hmmm... lets just say Vince really does get traded.... what happens to his nickname? they can't call him "Air Canada" because he would no longer be on a canadian team

[Amphatoast]

1/2man 1/2 season if he continues to get injuried

if he gets back into the old carter than just dunked and amazed, I think the nickname I think Barkely gave him would be used again,
1/2man, 1/2 amazing

or just simply VC

[idiot]

1/2man, 1/2 amazing

i might be wrong ... but isn't this some guy with And1?

[FanOfAll]

I do and don't (much more do than don't) blame him, he should suck it up an not be a baby, if he feels the team isn't going in the right direction then he should change it by how he plays.

It seems like they're saying our draft pick is the main culprit in his decision, and I think that's stupid, looking at it from every angle, it wasn't the greatest pick, but he will help the team and be decent for us if he produces.

Trade Ideas:

Vince for Marion and Carbakapa (Lampe, or Barbosa)

Vince for Baron Davis and Tractor Traylor

Vince for Joe Johnson, Barbosa and Lampe

Vince for Arenas, Hayes and Haywood

Vince and Alvin Williams for Arenas, Etan and Dixon

Vince for Arenas, Haywood and Jefferies

I don't want to blast you, but I don't any of the non-Toronto teams making those deals. The Suns don't need a 2, I think besides picking up a center, they're set. They have JJ, possibly Vujanic at the 2 (if he comes over), some Barbosa. Jacobson as well. I doubt they'd trade Marion for Vince...they don't need another scorer, they need a player like Marion (jack of all trades, good defender). I don't see Washington dealing Arenas, because then who would run their point guard spot? Plus they're already stacked enough at the 2. BTW, Etan is a RFA.

[Waz]

hmmm... lets just say Vince really does get traded.... what happens to his nickname? they can't call him "Air Canada" because he would no longer be on a canadian team

vinceanity

[point-guard]

what if mr carter goes to houston...hmmm...might be interesting

[putodelagoa]

Toronto offers : Vince Carter

Receives : Eric Piatkowski, mike Wilks and a 2nd round pick

I don't think Carter's trade value is so high... Toronto won't receive any player his worth in return. Who would want to make a blockbuster trade for a often injured player who's game is based on athleticism? No knees, no dunks...

Besides, without Carter, bye bye fan base and the Toronto Raptors will become the Providence Raptors in two seasons...

[Matt]

well there could be a trade that focuses on the salary cap rather than 'fair' value in return

Dallas could use a SF, and hec they got the talent to make a deal, although this won't happen anyways......Carter needs to put up and not jump ship when stuff gets bad

[VMS]

I think arenas would be a great addition to the Raptors, and that team seems to have the most to offer.

[RedTorro]

BRING HIM TO CHICAGO!!!!! We have plenty to offer and have a nice talented core to surround him with. The time is no or never for the BUlls to bring this franchise back on the map. You can't pass up on players like Tracy,Kobe,Pierce or Vince. These are guys who could really turn this thing in the right direction.

[fgrep15]

I don't want to blast you, but I don't any of the non-Toronto teams making those deals. The Suns don't need a 2, I think besides picking up a center, they're set. They have JJ, possibly Vujanic at the 2 (if he comes over), some Barbosa. Jacobson as well. I doubt they'd trade Marion for Vince...they don't need another scorer, they need a player like Marion (jack of all trades, good defender). I don't see Washington dealing Arenas, because then who would run their point guard spot? Plus they're already stacked enough at the 2. BTW, Etan is a RFA.

Carter plays the 2 and the 3.

If the Raptors offered Vince straight up for Marion, the Suns would do it in a flash, Marion can't play in halfcourt that's one of downfalls, but Carter will bring them fans and money and they've said they want that.
Larry Hughes can run the point, though not efficient at it, but neither is Arenas (right now), they'd do it and then make another trade involving Hughes to land a PG.
Yes that's the whole point, Etan is an RFA so you do a sign and trade with him.

Toronto offers : Vince Carter

Receives : Eric Piatkowski, mike Wilks and a 2nd round pick

I don't think Carter's trade value is so high... Toronto won't receive any player his worth in return. Who would want to make a blockbuster trade for a often injured player who's game is based on athleticism? No knees, no dunks...

Besides, without Carter, bye bye fan base and the Toronto Raptors will become the Providence Raptors in two seasons...

He missed 9 games last season, as long as the NBA is a business Carter's trade value will be relatively high from the business standpoint, and from the production standpoint it isn't bd, he had 22/5/5 for the season, but he brings more than production.
The Raptors weren't 8th in the league in attendance even though they were losing for no reason.


Vince and Donyell Marshall to the Sonics for Ray Allen, Radmon and Antonio Daniels.

[PiksS]

Damm,not VC to ,1st T-Mac to Houston,now VC...NO, PLZ NO

[Old School Fool]

Vince for Baron Davis and Tractor Traylor

Oh for god sakes, shed up! Thats a horrible trade! I understand how ya feel PiksS!

[Junk_Yard_Dawg]

If Vinve is traded , look to Washington , its sounds odd I know , but they are in the market , and they got "some" people to deal with , not to mention some cap. Got to keep in Mind that Carters contract comes into play here , the Raptors were talking about trading him a couple of years ago , but they new they couldnt get a decent return for him due to his salary, if he wants out , then they'll dump , take a lower end deal , get the cap off there chest and be rid of him.Like I said look to Washington,Atlanta, or even Portland.

I personaly , dont see him getting traded , one scenario I could see being played out is with Portland , they have some shit theyve been wanting to dump for a while , "Mighty Mouse" for one , through in Derek Anderson and Paterson or some third wheel like that for VC and and another player from the Raptors , adn both teams could walk away somewhat happy.

[Fresh8]

Man- I'm sick of these overpayed players who are so greedy!

[FanOfAll]

I don't want to blast you, but I don't any of the non-Toronto teams making those deals. The Suns don't need a 2, I think besides picking up a center, they're set. They have JJ, possibly Vujanic at the 2 (if he comes over), some Barbosa. Jacobson as well. I doubt they'd trade Marion for Vince...they don't need another scorer, they need a player like Marion (jack of all trades, good defender). I don't see Washington dealing Arenas, because then who would run their point guard spot? Plus they're already stacked enough at the 2. BTW, Etan is a RFA.

Carter plays the 2 and the 3.

Yes, he can play both, but his natural position is the 2. Unless you want to see a power 3 destroy him or JJ.

If the Raptors offered Vince straight up for Marion, the Suns would do it in a flash, Marion can't play in halfcourt that's one of downfalls, but Carter will bring them fans and money and they've said they want that.
Larry Hughes can run the point, though not efficient at it, but neither is Arenas (right now), they'd do it and then make another trade involving Hughes to land a PG.
Yes that's the whole point, Etan is an RFA so you do a sign and trade with him.

You lose a lot defensively by subbing Vince for Marion. Marion needs to take it to hole harder, instead of stopping for that 15' jumper and he's fine. The Suns are bringing in more fans with these young players and the recent blockbluster signing of Nash and this isn't the Vince of a few years ago. His intensity and heart are questioned all around, whether such doubts are fair or not. I highly doubt the Suns would do that straight up. They don't need a player like Vince right now, they're fine with this fast-break team that now has 3 stars and 1 up and coming one.

Hughes cannot run the point for 35 minutes a game, 82 games a season. Larry Brown tried that, Brian Winters tried that, it failed. He lacks the natural instincts/playmaking ability to be a point guard. Even after picking up Jamison, the Wizards need guys who don't have to have the ball in their hands to help the team on offense, not guys who need the ball. Arenas is a far more natural playmaker than Hughes, although he too is a combo guard. Generally, sign and trade deals are done with a big name UFA, not an overhyped RFA.

Toronto offers : Vince Carter

Receives : Eric Piatkowski, mike Wilks and a 2nd round pick

I don't think Carter's trade value is so high... Toronto won't receive any player his worth in return. Who would want to make a blockbuster trade for a often injured player who's game is based on athleticism? No knees, no dunks...

Besides, without Carter, bye bye fan base and the Toronto Raptors will become the Providence Raptors in two seasons...

You are severly underrated Cart'er trade value. You're giving the Raptors a shooter who can't do much else besides get injured, a 3rd string point guard who hasn't shown much, and 2nd round pick, most of whom don't make the team. Also, the Rockets just picked up a superstar in T-Mac and I doubt they're going to get another one. There's only one ball on the court and Van Gundy would have some headaches over the defense.

[Macca]

'Another whining-whinging star player who wants out because their team sucks.'

I've heard this so many times, by so many players, it's frustrating for the city they play in- the team, and for the fans, and me, because I can't take another spoiled little basketball player wanting out. Sure I understand Vince wanting out because of the new management forming- new coach and plus the new rookie- not exaclty the greatest choice in the world ( ), but honestly, he should step up to the challenge like a real basketball player, tough it out, prove what he can do besides dunk, hit a few 3's. He's like the modern Grant Hill- troubled with ankles. But I'm begging Vince, not to make the same mistake as Grant did. I say, instead of being traded, he should stay for another year- see how the new management handles things- see how the rookie plays, then if he's unhappy, half way through the year- ask to be traded, not for AI, but for someone useful and for him to go somewhere useful.

Now on VC going to Phoneix:
No, this wouldn't be such a good idea. Besides needing a centre, the Suns are- like several people have said, 'they're set'. Amare and Dice are set at the PF position, Marion is their SF, and he does need to learn to go to the rim more often, even though he kills opponents on the perimeter. With JJ at the SG, he's gonna have a breakout season showing the L what he can do, and then there's Nash- we all know about him. And so there's the team, plus more on the bench. Can a Vince Carter fit in there...? NO.

And so in conclusion of this fine analysis, I say to VC; play like hell, whether on one leg or two. Tough out half a season fit- see how things go, if you're not happy, go somewhere where you are needed, but ask to be traded for someone whom will help Canada's team, like you did- get someone who can fill the seats like you did. I like Vince, you're a good player but don't go down the road that several have before you.

Just adding my 2 dollars guys...

Macca

P.S:: Isn't basketball about playing for your team, trying to win, trying to go for the championship? It shouldn't be about money and contracts- endorsements etc, it should be about the game. With agents involved, applying pressure for more money to the team's GM, it's no wonder the level of basketball has dropped. It's not the coach- it's not the new rules, it's the players and what the game has become. If I were playing the game, sure, I'd want the money, but I wouldn't be begging for it, I'd just be happy to play the game, just be happy to be in the NBA- and several players are... they are the people whom no one takes much notice of, whom give 110% each night of an 82 game season, but don't get an MVP award. They are those whom dive on the ground for the ball, and dive into the crowd, getting beer and nachoes all over themselves, just to hear the stadium yell when they win. It's preachy, but isn't it true??

[Fresh8]

Isn't basketball about playing for your team, trying to win, trying to go for the championship? It shouldn't be about money and contracts- endorsements etc, it should be about the game.

Try telling that to some certain players!

[FanOfAll]

FWIW, RealGM reported that they did call the Raptors FO and they denied such a claim...