Kirk Hinrich
Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:01 pm
This rookie is probably the best player on the Bulls. I'm watching the Bulls vs Celtics box score and he already has 18 points and 12 assists with 9 minutes left in the third quarter. If he can perform at such a high level in his rookie year, he's going to become a great point guard in the future. If you compare his stats with a rookie Stockton or Nash, he outperforms both of them. He's probably one of the better picks the Bulls have made in the past 3 years.
He's a great fantasy rookie btw.
He's a great fantasy rookie btw.
Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:01 pm
Kirk finished with 23, 14, and 6 of 8 from down town. And the Bulls kicked the Celtics ass. It's been a while since they've seen a "W".
Re: Kirk Hinrich
Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:55 pm
- Ace - wrote:If you compare his stats with a rookie Stockton or Nash, he outperforms both of them.
So people don't have to look:
Hinrich: 14.8pts (.474) 4.4rebs 8.3asts 1.73stls 3.9tovs
Stockton: 14.8pts (.474) 3.4rebs 13.4asts 3.51stls 4.8tovs
Nash: 14.9pts (.489) 4.4rebs 9.7asts 1.40stls 4.4tovs
Assist Ratio
Hinrich: 30.9
Stockton: 42.2
Nash: 34.6
Turnover Ratio
Hinrich: 14.6
Stockton: 15.3
Nash: 15.8
Pure Point Rating
Hinrich: +3.38
Stockton: +8.50
Nash: +4.24
Assist Percentage
Hinrich: 24.2
Stockton: 31.5
Nash: 25.3
Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:37 pm
Nash: 14.9pts (.489) 4.4rebs 9.7asts 1.40stls 4.4tovs
Actually, these are nash's rookie numbers:
3.3 ppg
1 rpg
2.1 apg
0.31 spg
0.97 tpg
He also only had 10.5 mpg as a rookie for pheonix.. Im not sure if yours are for 48 minutes, but it doesnt say that in your post.
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:38 am
He said that if you look, Hinrich is outdoing Nash and Stockton in their rookie years. But this is deception because Hinrich is playing 35 minutes a game with no competition at the point slot while Stockton and Nash came off the bench behind Rickey Green or Kevin Johnson and Sam Cassell/Jason Kidd.
Since they didn't play anywhere near the same amount of minutes we obviously have to level the playing field by setting them all to Hinrich's minutes, Stockton's minutes or Nash's minutes. But because it's easier to just go straight to per 48, I chose to do so here. I don't have to say they're per 48 because everyone knows they didn't play the same amount of minutes we have to adjust the stats so they do, comparing based on regular numbers is simply silly.
So, what we can conclude is that, aside from turnovers, Hinrich doesn't outperform either Stockton or Nash. He matches them on scoring and eFG% despite shooting 39% because he jacks up so many threes (scores around 45% of his points from three land). Stockton simply blows him away on passing and Nash edges him out there as well. Nash beats him on the glass (5.4%) but he does beat out Stockton there (4.6 to 3.7). Though he falls again behind both Stockton (1.10) and Nash (1.08) in points per shot with 1.03. He's close (44.5) to Nash (44.7) at creating his own shot but lags behind Stockton (47.3). Finally, he's not quite as versatile (8.15) as Stockton (8.77) or Nash (8.60) were their rookie years, but he's close.
However, the fact that Kirk is so similar to these two great points is good news for Chicago, but saying he's outperformed Stockton and Nash is a stretch.
Since they didn't play anywhere near the same amount of minutes we obviously have to level the playing field by setting them all to Hinrich's minutes, Stockton's minutes or Nash's minutes. But because it's easier to just go straight to per 48, I chose to do so here. I don't have to say they're per 48 because everyone knows they didn't play the same amount of minutes we have to adjust the stats so they do, comparing based on regular numbers is simply silly.
So, what we can conclude is that, aside from turnovers, Hinrich doesn't outperform either Stockton or Nash. He matches them on scoring and eFG% despite shooting 39% because he jacks up so many threes (scores around 45% of his points from three land). Stockton simply blows him away on passing and Nash edges him out there as well. Nash beats him on the glass (5.4%) but he does beat out Stockton there (4.6 to 3.7). Though he falls again behind both Stockton (1.10) and Nash (1.08) in points per shot with 1.03. He's close (44.5) to Nash (44.7) at creating his own shot but lags behind Stockton (47.3). Finally, he's not quite as versatile (8.15) as Stockton (8.77) or Nash (8.60) were their rookie years, but he's close.
However, the fact that Kirk is so similar to these two great points is good news for Chicago, but saying he's outperformed Stockton and Nash is a stretch.