Be a G.M. for a day - from Hoopsworld forum

[Rens]

I liked this idea.. it looks like fun... try it. (I copied this directly from the post that guy made)

Aite .....i just saw a basketball game(itzz not really a game as u'll find out) on one of the sites and just kinda changed it a lil bit and here's my version

Say u r the G.M of a new expansion franchise and u need to make up a roster of 12 players .

Since its a new franchise u need to take into consideration things like getting a player who'll make the fans watch games and stuff

and the salary cap which is 70 million


now these are the players and there costs

25 mil : Shaq,Garnett,Duncan.
20 mil : Kobe,Vince,Nowitzki,Mcgrady,Kidd,Payton,Pierce.
15 mil : Francis,Webber,Iverson,R.Allen
12 mil : A.Miller,S.Nash,A.Walker,J.O'Neal,B.Davis,R.Wallace,
K.Malone,B.Wallace,J.Stackhouse
10 mil : G.Robinson,S.Abdurrahim,E.Brand,D.Mutombo,
A.Houston,R.Miller,M.Finley,S.Marion,P.Stojakovic
W.Szerbiak,P.Gasol,Y.Ming,S.Marbury,A.Jamison.
8 mil : G.Hill,J.Mashburn,A.Davis,E.Jones,S.Cassell,
R.Hamilton,Z.Iglasukas,M.Oklawandi,R.Lewis
M.Bibby,R.Davis,J.Rose,L.Sprewell.
5 mil : D.Marshall,C.Robinson,L.Odom,V.Divac,L.Odom,
M.Jordan,C.Mobley,K.Martin,J.Stockton,A.Williams,
B.Miller,R.Artest,B.Jackson,J.Terry,T.Ratliff,
V.Lenard.

3 mil : Any player from any team not mentioned above .
There are a few steals like Keon Clark and Brian Grant

Aite noww ya'll have to build a 12 man squad with 70 million dollars .

And after a few days im gonna post another thread where ppl can vote for the best squad . Remeber your squad should have 12 players .Its recommended to have a strong bench and not settle for all 3 mil players

[mkool8]

C Raef Lafrentz - 3 mil.
PF N. Hilario - 3 mil.
SF Mcgrady - 20 mil.
SG Kobe - 20 mil.
PG Penny Hardaway - 3 mil.

Bench:

c/pf Keon Clark - 3 mil.
sf/pf Tskitishvili - 3 mil.
sf Hedo - 3 mil.
pg/sg Ginobli - 3 mil.
pg Tony Parker - 3 mil. (could also be my starter)
sf/pf Keith Van Horn - 3 mil.
sg Doug Christie - 3 mil.

[Clinton]

C-Shaquille O'neal (25 mil)
PF-Kwame Brown (3 mil)
SF-Richard Jefferson (3 mil)
SG-Kobe Bryant (20 mil)
PG-Jay Williams (3 mil)

Bench
C-Raef LaFrentz (3 mil)
PF-Drew Gooden (3 mil)
SF-Jason Richardson (3 mil)
SG-Michael Redd (3 mil)
PG-Jamaal Tinsley (3 mil)

I made this team around the best duo in the game. They have proven that over and over again. I surrounded Shaq and Kobe with a very young and talented players. If it's for a franchise you gotta look into the future, and this team would only get better over time.

[Tyus Edney's Agent]

C Micheal Olowakandi 8 million
PF Kenyon Martin 5 million
SF Richard Jefferson 3 million
SG Allen Iverson 15 Million
PG Andre Miller 12 Million

bench
1 Bobby Jackson 5 million
2 Keon Clark 3 million
3 Jason Richardson 3 million
4 Damon Stoudamire 3 million
5 Corliss Willamson 3 million
6 Kurt Thomas 3 million
7 Derek Anderson 3 million

[:digerati:]

Tim Duncan - $25 million
Andre Miller - $12 million
Ron Artest - $5 million
Matt Harpring - $3 million
Kurt Thomas - $3 million
Amare Stoudemire - $3 million
Keith Van Horn - $3 million
Brent Barry - $3 million
Desmond Mason - $3 million
Eric Snow - $3 million
Mike Miller - $3 million
Erick Dampier - $3 million

Nobody's gonna pick my team...but after they beat you by 30...

Edit: I'd also be head coach and run my special offensive and defensive sets. Also, no set starting lineup. It'd all be based on matchups.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

C-Kandy (8)
PF-Brand (10)
SF-A.WAlker (12)
SG-Finley (10)
PG-MVP (3)

bench

1-DAmpier (3)
2-Ratliff (5)
3-Mobley (steal at 5)
4-J.Rich (3)
5-Parker (3)
6-Artest (5)
7-Van Horn (3)

Adds up at 70!

Kick ass squad or what?!

with kandy controling the D
Brand getting the REbs and scoring 20+
Walker being in charge of long range
finley doing practicly everything
And the MVP controlling the point...

Dampier sharing minutes with kandy and lso dominating the D
RAtliff...also D, whenever brand gets tired...
Mobley...being in charge of scoring when finley ain't in
J-Rich...see Mobley (lol...big time steal at 3)
Parker...subbing the MVP
Artest...whenever we need to put some good D on a guard...he comes in
Van-Horn- Perimiter scoring..plus a tall man at SF is always goot...

[Brave Sir Rubin]

alrighty...since benji clearly stated that his team would school me on MSN...then...lets just see...

MATCHUPS (yay)_

well...benji got no starting lineup...so i'll just post the mo0stly likely match ups...

Kandy vs Duncan (well...Kandy CAN hold duncan down, even though TD would still score...if kandy doesn't turn out to be strong enough...then we'll just put Dampier on him)

Brand vs. Gooden/Thomas (brand will own them on the boards, and will score on them...)

Walker vs. Artest/ Van Horn (Artest is too short to stop Walker...Kieth is too soft...)

Finley vs. any Benji guard (Only artest can hold him down...the rest....no...)

MVP vs. Benji PG...(mvp is a better overall PG than any of Benji's players...)


PLUS...my bench is bloody strong in all aspects...

so i'd say...ehh...130-70 victory for me...

[Clinton]

My team would beat all the teams mentioned so far! Too much talent, too many scorers and the best duo in the game.

[Clinton]

Shaq-Unstoppable. Enough said.
Kwame Brown-Would play excellent alongside Shaq (with the amount of double teams he demands). He can score down low, run the floor and out rebound most guys at his position. He is going to be a star in a year or two.
Richard Jefferson-Good scorer and defender. Great on the break and would be another person to worry about on the wing.
Kobe Bryant- Can sit back and watch Shaq or take over himself.
Jay Will- Would only have to do what he does best, set up his teammates.
Too much scoring off the bench with JRich and Redd, with good low post scoring and defending from LaFrentz and Gooden. You could start either Tinsley or Jay Will they are both great passers and that's all this team needs in a point guard.

[Rens]

Clinton you only have 10 players so your team isn't valid

[Clinton]

Shit! I can't have Kobe and Shaq! That's not good. Alright I'll make up a new team.

[Rens]

My team would be um.. let's make one up fast

C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas (8 million)
PF - Jermaine O'Neal (12 million)
SF - Ron Artest (5 million)
SG - Tracy McGrady (20 million)
PG - Alvin Williams (5 million)

Bench:
Brad Miller (5 million)
Brian Grant (3 million)
Theo Ratliff (5 million)
Matt Harpring (3 million)
Jamal Mashburn (3 million)
Gilbert Arenas (3 million)
Bobby Jackson (5 million)

Dan Gadzuric would play for free

[Clinton]

C-Shaquille O'Neal (25 mil)
PF-Kenyon Martin (5 mil)
SF-Shawn Marion (10 mil)
SG-Jason Richardson (3 mil)
PG-Jay Williams (3 mil)

Bench
C-Raef LaFrentz (3 mil)
PF-Kwame Brown (3 mil)
SF-Ron Artest (5 mil)
SG-Michael Redd (3 mil)
PG-Jamaal Tinsley (3 mil)
F/C-Drew Gooden (3 mil)
G/F-Richard Jefferson (3 mil)

[mkool8]

I wanted to get Shaq and Kobe also, but as you found out it can't happen. Anyway, your new one is still pretty good.

[:digerati:]

pfft...Dan's team is the only one that can give my team any serious trouble...mkool's could play tough...for three quarters...

Pabel's pointless comparison would be rendered irrelevant because I don't run man-to-man matchups my team plays team basketball. Dominates the post and perimeter. And plays the best defense around.

Duncan will destroy anyone except Shaq, when he will slide to PF or SF and make a mockery of Kenyon Martin or Shawn Marion. Kandi cannot, repeat cannot, match Duncan. Oh, and Pabel, put Dampier on Duncan? I bring out my own Dampier and slide Duncan down to abuse Antoine Walker.

Plus, I don't even need to keep Duncan on Shaq against Clintons team. Since Clinton has no real outside shooters Shaq can be eaisly contained. Martin, Marion, Richardson, Williams, Brown, Tinsley, Gooden, Artest and Jefferson? Where's the shooters? Will you really play LaFrentz with Shaq since you gave him the set position of C? how much will you rely on Redd? What about when they slump, where will you turn?

Simple fact is. No defense can stop my offense. If you don't double Duncan he destroys your front court. But if you double, suddenly Van Horn, Barry and Mike Miller abuse you from the perimeter. No win situation. Since you're gonna run a matchup defense you're going to be destroyed because I'll create so many disadvantages for your team by throwing crazy combinations at you. Can you really put a team on the floor to match Dampier, Duncan, Gooden, Stoudemire and Barry? Gooden and Stoudemire are athletic enough to defend your swingmen, but can your swingmen defend them giving up 5 inches in the post? What about when I spread the floor with Van Horn, Barry and Mike Miller, can you really stop Andre Miller and Duncan from posting up without doubling and leaving open shots to the shooters?

Then, your team will struggle to score at all. Duncan, Andre Miller, Ron Artest, Kurt Thomas, Brent Barry, and Eric Snow can and will shut down any player they're asked to. Using the triangle defense™ even Van Horn, Arenas, Miller, Dampier, Gooden and Stoudemire will become stellar defensive stoppers.

You may have a great bunch of individual players. But do you have players who can play as a team without stepping on each others toes?

[mkool8]

Actually, how can anyone stop the duo of Kobe and T'Mac. I picked Penny as point for full court presses, it'll be like the bulls of old. Kobe can matchup with the opponents point guard, Penny can matchup decently against most of the two guards. Since I already have the two premiere two guards in Kobe and T'Mac, there's really no one that will give Penny that much problems. Plus I have good shot blocker in Raef Lafrentz (especially as a help defender). I still have Doug Christie, if ever Penny has some problems defensively.

[d3vilm4n]

C - Vlade Divac (5 million)
PF - Tyson Chandler (3 million)
SF - Peja Stojakovic (10 million)
SG - Emmanuel Ginobili (3 million)
PG - JAson Kidd (20 million)

Bench:
C - Brad Miller (5 million)
PF - Brian Grant (3 million)
PF/C - Sean Marks(3 million)
SG/SF - Gordan Giricek(3 million)
SF - Ron Artest (5 million)
SG - Gilbert Arenas (3 million)
PG - Bobby Jackson (5 million)

total 68 mil (i think )

[skins]

Heres my team...

C-Keon Clark - 3 mil
PF-Kenyon Martin - 5 mil
SF-MichaelFinley - 8 mil
SG-T-Mac - 20 mil
PG- M. Bibby - 8 mil

6-Adonal Foyle - 3mil
7-Lamar Odom - 5 mil
8-Jason Terry - 5 mil
9-Gilbert Arenas - 3 mil
10-Shawn Bradley - 3 mil
11-Brian Grant - 3 mil
12-Mike Miller - 3 mil

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69 mil, with 1 mil lwft over for me to keep.

Not neccesarily the starters and bench cuz C, and PF would be interchangable with K-mart, Foyle, Grant, Bradley, and Clark.

[Tyus Edney's Agent]

Ben my team would give you at least one half of trouble

[Clinton]

Duncan will destroy anyone except Shaq, when he will slide to PF or SF and make a mockery of Kenyon Martin or Shawn Marion.

I have LaFrentz off the bench who can play alongside Shaq and shut down the hole lane, Raef can guard Duncan on the perimeter.

Plus, I don't even need to keep Duncan on Shaq against Clintons team. Since Clinton has no real outside shooters Shaq can be eaisly contained.

Shaq can be easily contained. haha. Nice one Ben. You don't even need Duncan on him? Duncan can't guard Shaq!! He has shown that over and over so many times in the playoffs. Noone can. Why are the Lakers champs?? Because they have Shaq. If Shaq got traded to the Grizz, who would win the championship? The Grizz. There is no hope of containing Shaq.

Martin, Marion, Richardson, Williams, Brown, Tinsley, Gooden, Artest and Jefferson? Where's the shooters?

All those players have a good jumpshot (Kwame developing, Gooden not yet consistent). Marion, Artest, Jefferson and Williams can all hit the three, and Michael Redd is one of the best shooters in the league. He would be getting a lot of playing time. He would probably steal some starts from JRich.

Can you really put a team on the floor to match Dampier, Duncan, Gooden, Stoudemire and Barry?

Yeah, I could put that team to shame. I could have Shaq, LaFrentz, Gooden, Marion and Artest or LaFrentz, Martin, Gooden, Artest, Marion. There are just so many options. You wouldn't have a chance.

Simple fact is. No defense can stop my offense. If you don't double Duncan he destroys your front court. But if you double, suddenly Van Horn, Barry and Mike Miller abuse you from the perimeter. No win situation

My defense would stop whatever offense you wanted to throw at it. Shaq wouldn't have many problems with Duncan down low, but Martin or Raef are good weak side defenders and love to block shots. If you double Duncan with your centre and power forward why would that leave your guards open?? Van horn isn't a great 3 point shooter, especially if it is in the playoffs.

[:digerati:]

I have LaFrentz off the bench who can play alongside Shaq and shut down the hole lane, Raef can guard Duncan on the perimeter.

Except, neither one is a stellar defender, and I'll pull them out of the lane with perimeter shooters, effectively opening up the lane for anyone that wants to take a walk.

Shaq can be easily contained. haha. Nice one Ben. You don't even need Duncan on him? Duncan can't guard Shaq!! He has shown that over and over so many times in the playoffs. Noone can. Why are the Lakers champs?? Because they have Shaq. If Shaq got traded to the Grizz, who would win the championship? The Grizz. There is no hope of containing Shaq.

First of all, Duncan doesn't guard Shaq in the playoffs too often. Second, the Grizz might win, but, they'd have a miniscule lineup left after the trade, and a lack of perimeter attack since the Lackers would take their key players in return. Third, a simple alteration of the triangle and two can handle Shaq easy, but you have to have the right players for it to work.

All those players have a good jumpshot (Kwame developing, Gooden not yet consistent). Marion, Artest, Jefferson and Williams can all hit the three,

NONE of them are consistant jump shooters. Jefferson has no jumper. Marion and Artests are weak. Gooden's is better than Kwame (who's is horrid) but he won't take any pressure off Shaq with it.

Michael Redd is one of the best shooters in the league. He would be getting a lot of playing time. He would probably steal some starts from JRich.

Throw Artest, Barry or Snow on him. He's useless.

Yeah, I could put that team to shame. I could have Shaq, LaFrentz, Gooden, Marion and Artest

Triangle contains Shaq and LaFrentz, Marion isn't a perimeter threat, Stoudemire can handle him. Barry has Artest easy.

LaFrentz, Martin, Gooden, Artest, Marion.

Front court is even eaiser to shut down, same matchups in the rest. You lose your best option by putting Marion at the point.

My defense would stop whatever offense you wanted to throw at it.

Doubtful.

Shaq wouldn't have many problems with Duncan down low

Except for the whole mobility thing. Except for the whole ability to defend Duncan's bank shot. There's a reason you never see Shaq on Duncan and vice versa.

but Martin or Raef are good weak side defenders and love to block shots.

Who would they be blocking? They'd have to leave a man open to do so and Duncan is a stellar passer and will hit the open man for an easy bucket. Also, LaFrentz is not a good defender.

If you double Duncan with your centre and power forward why would that leave your guards open??

Double Duncan with Center and Power Forward? Other front court player gets easy bucket.

Van horn isn't a great 3 point shooter, especially if it is in the playoffs.

Ask the Celtics about that playoff part. Van Horn is a terrific three point shooter and over his career he has shot even better in the playoffs (.347 in regular season, .430 in playoffs), don't forget that he's 6-10, quick and can post up as well making him a triple threat on the perimeter, the post and the move.

[Clinton]

Except, neither one is a stellar defender, and I'll pull them out of the lane with perimeter shooters, effectively opening up the lane for anyone that wants to take a walk.

LaFrentz is one of the best blockers in the league and Shaq is never going to be pulled out of the paint. He doesn't go out on his man 10+ feet from the basket, he isn't going to run out on a shooter. He is always around the key and there are very few who will drive on him.

Triangle contains Shaq and LaFrentz, Marion isn't a perimeter threat, Stoudemire can handle him. Barry has Artest easy.

You should be a NBA coach Ben cause you could solve all these problems teams have with Shaq. It's great for you to talk about how this would contain Shaq and that would contain Shaq. Don't you think coaches have tried everything imaginable and have finally given up and chose to send him to the line. He can't be stopped. By anyone in the league. Duncan has no hope. Don't say he never guards Shaq because that is a load of crap. What happened 2 years ago to the Spurs when they had to play the Lakers in the Western Finals? They got swept. Beat by an average of 20ppg, mainly because Shaq scored 40+ in all those games. Robinson and Duncan were doubling and they couldn't do jack. When Robinson sat who guarded Shaq? Maybe Duncan.
There is no way Amare can stay with Marion defensively. Marion would school him. Barry can't stop Artest.

Also, LaFrentz is not a good defender.

Here I was thinking he was quite a decent defender.

[Rens]

Shaq is never going to be pulled out of the paint. He doesn't go out on his man 10+ feet from the basket, he isn't going to run out on a shooter.

But that will leave Duncan open at 15 feet to keep on hitting Js

He can't be stopped. By anyone in the league. Duncan has no hope.

You keep saying Duncan has no chance of stopping Shaq while Ben repeatedly said Duncan wouldn't guard Shaq. Besides, he can be stopped ofcourse, he's had his lesser games.

Barry can't stop Artest.

Ofcourse he can. Barry is a great defender and Artest is only an average player on offense. Being great at defense doesn't turn someone in a great scorer. (Ask Ben Wallace)

Here I was thinking he was quite a decent defender.

Being a good shotblocker doesn't make one a good defender. Shaq isn't that great a defender but he's got a few blocks a game. Same goes for a lot of big men. It's just like steals doesn't mean you're a good defender.

[:digerati:]

You should be a NBA coach Ben cause you could solve all these problems teams have with Shaq. It's great for you to talk about how this would contain Shaq and that would contain Shaq. Don't you think coaches have tried everything imaginable and have finally given up and chose to send him to the line. He can't be stopped. By anyone in the league.

First of all, the first few years it would be illegal defense. But now you can use it. Few coaches are even open to using a zone for much of a game. To this date, I have seen every Lacker playoff game except 3 and I have never seen a team throw this at them. Frankly, I don't see how it can't work. It can't shut him down 100%, no defense can shut a good player down 100%, but it will negate him enough to let the rest of your lineup (which is usually better) eaisly dispose of the remaning Lackers.

Duncan has no hope. Don't say he never guards Shaq because that is a load of crap. What happened 2 years ago to the Spurs when they had to play the Lakers in the Western Finals? They got swept. Beat by an average of 20ppg, mainly because Shaq scored 40+ in all those games. Robinson and Duncan were doubling and they couldn't do jack. When Robinson sat who guarded Shaq? Maybe Duncan.

They would throw Rose at him and Duncan on the weakside. Kobe was what killed the Spurs. Duncan has no hope? He won't even be guarding Shaq, Dampier will with Duncan and someone else forming the triangle that contains him. Playing man-to-man with no doubling or use of the allowed zones is stupid in my mind.

After mulling it over with my assistant, I've decided to dump Drew Gooden and Gilbert Arenas. Bringing in Matt Harpring and Desmond Mason instead. Gooden and Arenas wouldn't see much time due to redundance at their positions, so I'll use Harpring and Mason's abilities to play three positions. That and Harpring is another perimeter threat and Mason is an explosive scorer that will add another dynamic to my impeccable offense.

[Clinton]

But that will leave Duncan open at 15 feet to keep on hitting Js.

I'm saying if Duncan leaves the paint, do a switch with Shaq and Martin or Gooden and that way Shaq is always around the hole.

Ofcourse he can. Barry is a great defender and Artest is only an average player on offense. Being great at defense doesn't turn someone in a great scorer. (Ask Ben Wallace)

Artest is a much better offensive player then Ben Wallace. He is averaging 16.6ppg this season. He had 27 points against the Knicks a few weeks ago. Thats a pretty good effort for someone who is an average offensive player.

First of all, the first few years it would be illegal defense. But now you can use it. Few coaches are even open to using a zone for much of a game. To this date, I have seen every Lacker playoff game except 3 and I have never seen a team throw this at them. Frankly, I don't see how it can't work. It can't shut him down 100%, no defense can shut a good player down 100%, but it will negate him enough to let the rest of your lineup (which is usually better) eaisly dispose of the remaning Lackers.

They probably don't throw it at them in the playoffs because they have already tried everything in the regular season and realise nothing works. I'm sure many teams have tried a zone and found it doesn't have an effect.

They would throw Rose at him and Duncan on the weakside. Kobe was what killed the Spurs. Duncan has no hope? He won't even be guarding Shaq, Dampier will with Duncan and someone else forming the triangle that contains him.

You make it sound so easy. This containing Shaq thing. It's alright for you to say it would work. When has it ever? Do you think NBA coaches have tried everything imagineable.

After mulling it over with my assistant, I've decided to dump Drew Gooden and Gilbert Arenas. Bringing in Matt Harpring and Desmond Mason instead. Gooden and Arenas wouldn't see much time due to redundance at their positions, so I'll use Harpring and Mason's abilities to play three positions. That and Harpring is another perimeter threat and Mason is an explosive scorer that will add another dynamic to my impeccable offense.

So I guess this means everyone can make some changes.