favorite/successful team structures?

[PoliceLineDoNotCross]

the former lakers team had magic and kareem as anchors.

the current lakers have shaq holding things down and also have kobe.

utah had a combo of PF and PG with stock and malone.

phil jackson once said that great teams often build around a good C and PG(like the lakers. lakers also had worthy and other dudes).
phil jackson also said MJ was the only exception to that.
he said that mike was so good that he thought teams should build around players like him instead of doing the whole PG and C anchor thing. mike also had that 1-2 combo with pip and they had excellent role players.

NJ has RJ, KIDD, And martin. along with many role players.
Milwaukee had the big 3 of cassell, allen, and robinson(now disbanded)

i personally like the PG and C anchor thing but it didn't work too well for LACLIPS(olowokandi/miller. also disbanded)
i also like having a team with average players and having really good bench players and role players

what is your favorite kind of team structure?
good PG and good C?
one super player?
PF and PG combo?
BIG 3?
anything else?

and also list what players fit in the category

[benji]

i personally like the PG and C anchor thing but it didn't work too well for LACLIPS(olowokandi/miller. also disbanded)

The problem there is that Olowokandi is horrible and Miller was horrible his one year in LA.

I like: Awesome Big Man + Sidekick + Depth.

[Jackal]

One superstar just doesnt cut it...one superstar, doesnt lead a team to victory.

Personally, I like the Shaq + Kobe combo...like ben said, awesome bigman, good sidekick + depth ( I'm reffering to the 2000 team here)

As soon as they doubled/tripled shaq, they pass the ball around, find the open man, who usually knocked down the three...and ofcourse, Kobe created for himself.

I like this formula. (Y)

[Andrew]

I like the formula the Bulls used: Superstar + All-Star Sidekick + Blue Collar Player + Role Players.

More often than not, the formula that Ben suggested works best for most teams. Most teams are built around a big man, though there have been a few exceptions (most notably Jordan's Bulls and the Bad Boy Pistons).

[DipSetVC]

I agree with Andrew, the Bulls of the 90s wrote and published the book on "Team Chemistry".

[Jowe]

[color=blue][i][b]One superstar just doesnt cut it...one superstar, doesnt lead a team to victory.

it does when that one superstar is the greatest power foward of all time in Tim Duncan

You can't go wrong with a great post presence and a dynamic perimeter threat, with ofcoarse depth...

[T-wolves]

i diagree with the one superstar thing i mean look at the wolves they have Garnett and last year they have had some good backup players like hudson, szczerbiak,Billups and even brandon until he got injured for a few years and still isn't back and the timberwolves have gone out of the playoffs 7 years in a row and now they have cassell,sprewell and more and they lead the Midwest. I like the tall,short player combination plus another reasonable sf and a reasonable bench

[fgrep15]

I think the best combo is big man and a 1 or 2 guard, or a good 3.

With a 2 guard
This would include running through the big man and having open shots for the other players, that would also mean you need a 1 and 3 that can shoot. This works if you have a big man that can pass, but with most of the teams they will go to the big man but not run through him.
eg from teams: Shaq-Kobe, Lebron-Boozer, Carter-Bosh, Finley-Dirk (meh), Brand-Maggette (need to play D), Tmac-Gooden (lol), Wade-Odom, Crawford-Curry-Chandler (they've had their chance,not Chandler this year but Curry and Crawford etc

The inside outside game is always the best to play on, and then you get a good shooting, good defensive pg that can pass relatively well.
eg: Andre Miller with a 3 point shot or Antonio Daniels, Snow with a three point shot, Alvin Williams better 3, Tinsley etc.

Then at the 3 you'd have a player that has a good mix of D and O, and can shoot from the outside (well it would be a bonus). The player also can't be a guy that needs the ball to be effective.
eg: Tayshaun, James Posey, Battier, Stephen Jackson, Peterson, Hayes, Josh Howard, Bowen, Kedrick Brown (if he can be a starter), Caron Butler (might take away shots), Johnatan Bender etc.

The other inside position wouldn't matter if you have a Center or Power Forward as your main man. With a center, you'd need a shot blocking 4, that can rebound and put up about 9-14 ppg. If your man was a power forward, the same thing, a shot blocking center that can pull down boards and give you about 9-14 ppg.
eg: Ben, Camby, Donyell Marshall, Chandler, Dampier, Magloire, Nene (with blocks), Rasho, Kandi, Kaman, Keon Clark, Joe Smith, Stromile, Ethan Thomas, Gadzuric, Skinner, Okur etc.

Lastly, the bench, I think a good thing to have is a low post scorer, or a big man that can play D, rebound and block.
If you went scorer: Corliss Williamson, Maurice Taylor, Chris Wilcox, Cook, Trent, Okur etc.

Defense/ Rebounder:Ely, Moiso, Cato, Dalambert, Keon Clark, Cook, Diop, Jerome, David West, Tractor, Elson, Birdman etc.

Then you need a player (1,2, or 3) that can come to change tempo or be an energy guy. Something in the lines of a pg that will run the break a lot, and a 2 or 3 that can fill up the score sheet.
eg: Boykins, Jon Barry, Jerome Williams, Desmond, Battier, Rubeun Patterson, Ronald Murray, Madsen, Cardinal, Giricek etc.

If you don't get a really good 3 point shooter after gathering all those players, then you add on of those come in to shoot 3's players, and if you get one with more then thats good
eg: Kyle Korver, Richie Frahm, Pat Garrity, Hoiberg etc.

You would need a third scorer, so one of the other 3 players could fit this role. This applies to all the examples.

With a 1 guard

Same thing, running through the big man, but with the 1 also running the break a lot and doing drive an dish. Again this works if you have a big man that can pass, but with most of the teams they will go to the big man but not run through him.
eg from teams: Parker-Duncan, Francis-Yao, Lebron-Boozer, Kidd-Martin, Gilbert-Kwame (lol), Wade-Odom, Hinrich-Curry-Chandler, Bibby-Webber, Nash-Dirk, Terry-Rahim

At the 2 you need a player that won't wanna score too much, and is a good 3 point shooter and relatively good defender.
eg: Christie, Bowen, Diaw, Stephen Jackson, James Posey, Brent Barry, Ginobili, Battier, Kittles, Morris Peterson (hmm), Kedrick Brown etc.

At the 3, other inside position and bench, the same as when you have a 2 guard.



With a 3

Run through big man, and open the floor for the 3 to be a more effective scorer. Again this works if you have a big man that can pass, but with most of the teams they will go to the big man but not run through him.
eg: Marion-Amare, Lebron-Boozer, Melo-Nene (hmm), Peja-Webber blah blah

At the 2 you get the same kinda player as when you have when its a PG-Big Man.

At the point you get the same as when you have a SG-Big man combo.

The inside and the bench will replicate the two ther options.




From the teams in the league without making many changes:

Jaric
Maggette
James Posey
Brand
Kaman

Bench:
Wilcox
Gary Trent
Jon Barry
Bobby Simmons
other guys

Andre Miller
Carter
Donyell Marshall
Bosh
Dampier

Bench:
Darrell Armstrong
Moiso
Jerome Williams

[air gordon]

not successful, but i do enjoy watching seattle team structure go at it: jack up 3's and run. they don't even pretend to have an inside game. this system is surprising to me considering the mcmillan is their coach.

[Alex Italo]

I'm an old Bulls fan, so my opinion might be biased...
but I like the superstar+sidekick the Bulls had on Jordan and Pippen.

Despite the fact the combo C+shooter is effective
I've never really liked the big man thing because is kind of boring after a while... big man goes to post up... if double teamed then pass the ball to shooter on the perimeter... it goes like that all game long...

Nowadays I enjoy watching really offensive teams with lots of weapons like Kings and Mavericks... I don't care about the lack of defense... I'd take any 100+pts game over 70, 60pt games we're watching these days.

[Fresh8]

if i had a team....I l would have a good centre (i.e. Yao Ming)...then a decent 3 who can handle the ball, shoot, rebound, etc. (i.e. Scottie....)and also a PG who can shoot the ball and defend...also a in-depth bench would be real good....also if I did have this 'Big 3' combo not all three guys have to be all-stars...just guys who can lead their team.

An up-tempo ball game is a good strategy

[benji]

not successful, but i do enjoy watching seattle team structure go at it: jack up 3's and run. they don't even pretend to have an inside game. this system is surprising to me considering the mcmillan is their coach.

It doesn't suprise me, because they are one of the slowest paced teams in the league and somehow Coach Nate gets a team full of sieves to play defense that's at least average.

[Little_Big_Man]

I prefer a good big man ala Shaq, perimeter player that can create for themself and/or others ala Kobe, a pass first point guard with quick feet as a defender and role players that actually play their role and nothing more. There is nothing worse than a role player that wants to be a superstar and totally screws up the team chemistry

[1CenT]

Penny+Shaq combo!

[Jackal]

The best team structure is great big man, great powerforward, great shooting guard, a great point guard and throw in a solid sf.

You've got yourselves the Lakers this year, Thug can back me up on this one, remember the first game against Dallas Yohance? We were both pretty mesmerised .

Now if all of em cud just get better.