washington wizards

by **j.23** on Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:35 pm

can't help but notice the wizards 13-30 record :lol:

.. god im lovin it

guess their prediction of making the playoffs didn't work out too well.. im still pissed what they did to mj.. not because of letting him go in the front office, but how they pretty much bashed him because he was the focal point of the offense.. ( can't really do much when you have only 1 or 2 other proven scorers in the team ) --- don't forget about doug too

im sure they wont be seeing 37-45 for a while

by **fgrep15** on Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:52 pm

Well, when Gilbert is injured for most of the season, and when he was trying to play through it was hurting them more then helping, and Stack hasn't played a game yet what do you expect????????

by **Stevan** on Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:45 pm

I too am glad they're suffering. Yes there have been injuries. Oh well. (y)

by **Boyk** on Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:09 pm

fgrep15 wrote:Well, when Gilbert is injured for most of the season, and when he was trying to play through it was hurting them more then helping, and Stack hasn't played a game yet what do you expect????????

and also when there number 1 pick from 3 years ago is still suckin ass!

as much as i hate to say it.

by **Ruff Ryder** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:46 am

I've been watchin wizards games, since i'm close to washington d.c. I get about 40+ wizards games. They're nothing short of disappointing. Every team in the NBA has at least 1 star. Washington, with injuries and stuff only have Larry Hughes. Compare him to the rest of the stars and it isnt to good.

im sure they wont be seeing 37-45 for a while

Well, not this year anyway. I think they'll get it or better within the next 2 years.

by **Stevan** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:16 am

Kwame has had the occassional good game. Perhaps his *slight* improvement is a result of MJ's encouraging words? :lol:

Even when Jerry Stackhouse does return (which will be when?) they are going to be in trouble. Jerry shoots a poor percentage and who knows how the inury will affect him. Perhaps Jerry's hanging out with C-Webb? Jamal Mashburn was there too until he returned from the dark side yesterday and scored 24 points!!! Damn (y)

by **Full Surface** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:18 am

I wouldn't have let go of MJ too.. I mean at least they could have given him just ONE more chance.

DC teams are just so sad and embarrasing.

The Capital suck.
The Wizards suck.
The Redskins suck.

I'm sure the rest of our minor teams suck too.

by **Gripni** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:05 am

Don't forget the Mystics, last place in the East. DC United has Freddie Adu. A fourteen year old. And no baseball team.

by **j.23** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:24 am

fgrep15 wrote:Well, when Gilbert is injured for most of the season, and when he was trying to play through it was hurting them more then helping, and Stack hasn't played a game yet what do you expect????????

actually gilbert didn't really do much when he was still around.. they were still below .500.. and they were slightly better. oh well :lol:

by **Full Surface** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:36 am

Arenas and Hughes were actually doing alright when they played together. They were one of the best guard duos along with Davis/Wesley and Payton/Bryant.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:07 pm

I have to admit, I'm smirking at their record. I know I shouldn't, being a Bulls fan and all, but after all that talk of MJ hindering their progress and holding them back, they haven't been able to back up that argument. Granted, injuries have been a problem, but it's not as though they're completely without talent.

by **Full Surface** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:30 pm

They're not "bad", just young. I don't think they have at least 5 guys with seven years experience.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:19 pm

refuze wrote:They're not "bad", just young. I don't think they have at least 5 guys with seven years experience.

Man 5 is a lot, not that man teams have 5 All-Star or decent players with 7 years of experience.

by **DipSetVC** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:47 pm

Andrew wrote:I have to admit, I'm smirking at their record. I know I shouldn't, being a Bulls fan and all, but after all that talk of MJ hindering their progress and holding them back, they haven't been able to back up that argument. Granted, injuries have been a problem, but it's not as though they're completely without talent.

I guess your smirking alot these days Andrew, looking at how the Bulls are playing, your going to have a smirk on your face till April.

by **benji** on Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:02 pm

Andrew wrote:I have to admit, I'm smirking at their record. I know I shouldn't, being a Bulls fan and all, but after all that talk of MJ hindering their progress and holding them back, they haven't been able to back up that argument.

im still pissed what they did to mj.. not because of letting him go in the front office, but how they pretty much bashed him because he was the focal point of the offense..

I wouldn't have let go of MJ too.. I mean at least they could have given him just ONE more chance.

Dumping Jordan was the best move the Wizards did this offseason. Ernie Grunfeld is trying to clean up the mess Jordan left (consider what he could've had). Signed Arenas with the tiny caproom Jordan left, plucked Hayes out of the draft and somehow dealt Jahidi White's fat contract. Thanks to Laettner being stupid, Kwame has finally been given a chance to shine instead of being jerked around by the Jordan yes-man. With a healthy Stackhouse and Arenas they probably would be pretty close to last years team. They basically replaced Jordan with Arenas and Russell with Hayes. Eddie Jordan has them playing a lot better defense this year, but without Stack and Arenas their scoring ability is quite limited.

Regardless, this isn't a good team and hasn't been in years, if not decades. Which is why it was never realistic to consider them a playoff team the last two years despite Jordan on the court. Having Jordan stick around another year in the front office wouldn't have allowed them to clean house and start over. Grunfeld will do the same here he has everywhere else. He gives the team a year or two to see if they can get something going, and then he moves everyone to start over. If the players weren't so bad I'd expect them to be a major team at the trade deadline based on Grunfelds past.

by **Full Surface** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:05 am

fgrep15 wrote:
refuze wrote:They're not "bad", just young. I don't think they have at least 5 guys with seven years experience.

Man 5 is a lot, not that man teams have 5 All-Star or decent players with 7 years of experience.

Chris Whitney
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laettner
Mitchell Butler

Those are all the veterans they have. Laettner is washed up (he still has the shooting touch but his legs are worn out). The only one worthy of being a true leader is Stackhouse but he hasn't played at all this season.

The Wizards have good defense though.. they rank in the top 3 with steals. Like Ben said, the only problem is they have no players that can take the scoring load every night except Hughes.

Kwame has shown that he is worthy of the #1 pick but most of the time he still looks like he's lost. I don't know why he's complaining about Arenas not sharing the ball enough. It'd be interesting to see if Arenas and Brown were the same type of duo as Kidd and Martin.

by **air gordon** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:01 am

Signed Arenas with the tiny caproom Jordan left

yes- washington used it's tiny caproom left to sign arenas to a tiny 6yr/$64mil contract

plucked Hayes out of the draft

it wasn't like they stole him from another team. hayes fell to the wiz once riley picked wade.

and somehow dealt Jahidi White's fat contract

the suns were desparate for anything to clog the lane

Kwame has shown that he is worthy of the #1 pick

when?

it says a lot about your standards when you say a player who looks lost most of the time is #1 pick worthy

It'd be interesting to see if Arenas and Brown were the same type of duo as Kidd and Martin.

cue the bob marley music

I guess your smirking alot these days Andrew, looking at how the Bulls are playing, your going to have a smirk on your face till April.

just like how you were smirking after that loss to chicago on sunday... how the raptors are struggling to stay above .500 despite playing in the east and having all that talent- vince carter, rose, marshall, etc...

by **DipSetVC** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:31 am

You know what I'm going to agree with you on that one, we are underachieving but if we had a talented point guard like Hinrich or a big man like Curry like you guys do. The Bulls have all the right pieces but can't fit them together.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:14 pm

Yea its true, I still don't like Jalen though but ah well. Anyways, the Raps only consistencty has been Marshall, and I guess Alvin was after he stopped hobling too. The big problem is that the Raptors are too small, Bosh is tough but toughness can only get you so far, he's still small, abd even in the tiny east the Raptors get beat on the inside. Carter had a great game today though, but Jalen did nothing but its not like I was expecting anything.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:26 pm

DipSetVC wrote:
Andrew wrote:I have to admit, I'm smirking at their record. I know I shouldn't, being a Bulls fan and all, but after all that talk of MJ hindering their progress and holding them back, they haven't been able to back up that argument. Granted, injuries have been a problem, but it's not as though they're completely without talent.

I guess your smirking alot these days Andrew, looking at how the Bulls are playing, your going to have a smirk on your face till April.

Hey, I'm not denying the Bulls aren't any better right now. Like I said, I probably shouldn't smirk. But I am. :wink:

by **Old School Fool** on Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:53 pm

The Redskins suck.

I am not that sure now...They got their Old School Coach back...and THEY OWNED in the 80's...and they had a song called "Hail The Redskins" :shock:

so they are far from looking like the Washington Bullets/Wizards in my opinion and I sort of feel sorry for the Wiz....I mean they got the Number 1 Pick OVERALL 3 fucking Years ago and it just died down....talk about overshadowed hype...were just fucking lucky Lebron ain't like this man...I'll tell you this the Wizards SUCk and thats the end...

by **DipSetVC** on Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:34 am

Andrew wrote:
DipSetVC wrote:
Andrew wrote:I have to admit, I'm smirking at their record. I know I shouldn't, being a Bulls fan and all, but after all that talk of MJ hindering their progress and holding them back, they haven't been able to back up that argument. Granted, injuries have been a problem, but it's not as though they're completely without talent.

I guess your smirking alot these days Andrew, looking at how the Bulls are playing, your going to have a smirk on your face till April.

Hey, I'm not denying the Bulls aren't any better right now. Like I said, I probably shouldn't smirk. But I am.

Hey Andrew, I know I dissed your team but it's all in good fun, just get your lackeys off my back (CrawfordMIP4real)

by **Full Surface** on Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:04 am

Old School Fool wrote:
The Redskins suck.

I am not that sure now...They got their Old School Coach back...and THEY OWNED in the 80's...and they had a song called "Hail The Redskins" so they are far from looking like the Washington Bullets/Wizards in my opinion and I sort of feel sorry for the Wiz....I mean they got the Number 1 Pick OVERALL 3 fucking Years ago and it just died down....talk about overshadowed hype...were just fucking lucky Lebron ain't like this man...I'll tell you this the Wizards SUCk and thats the end...

The Redskins will obviously be in September better but they were horrible this season.

Imagine if MJ picked Pau Gasol with that pick.. hmm.

by **air gordon** on Sun Feb 01, 2004 7:25 am

Hey Andrew, I know I dissed your team but it's all in good fun, just get your lackeys off my back (CrawfordMIP4real)

B-O-O H-O-O. quit your crying already. stevan was right about you being a sensitive raptor fan: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11605&highlight=

i guess only mods can criticize your team.

The Bulls have all the right pieces but can't fit them together.

it's the total opposite

by **Matt** on Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:50 am

Oh well.........Wizards will tank this year get a high pick and next Yr they'll have a (hopefully healthy) Stack and Gilbert. A nice and young bench and that #1 pick called Joe Smi.....err Kwame Brown @PF.
Anyways, next yr if they have Stack and GA healthy i think they can get 41 wins or so. Remember when Pistons went 32-50, Stacks teammates included Eric Montross, Ben Wallace, Dana Barros, Michael Curry, Billy Owens, Joe Smith, Chucky Atkins, Jud Buechler..........not exactly guys you wanna have shooting the ball much, and yet they managed 32 wins with Stack often dbl and triple teamed. I think stats showed that Stacks teammates shot under 40% combined, so his 40% FG% was rather good considering the circumstance. Oh well, diff situation here, at least Arenas can shoot, Hayes looks promising

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