History in the making

[air gordon]

blowing an 18 point to the lowly wizards was the last straw for me.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay20.html for once i agree with chicago columnist, jay mariotti. it's a good read

all the players are to blame here, but the guy that brought them in is the one who should/will receive most of the blame- pig vomit krumbs krause. krause said he didn't want the bulls to turn into the post championship celtics of the 80's...

it's sad when the rookie who was drafted only because of a motorcycle accident and some nbdl guy are the best players on the team

excuse me while i hang myself

[fgrep15]

Skiles, who is on Curry in practice like a fly on lunchmeat, was asked what the 6-11, 290-pounder must do to be a better rebounder.

''Jump,'' he said.

I love that

and this

Whatever route Paxson chooses, it beats the status quo. Funny thing is, Eddy and Tyson are still convinced they'll rule the world. ''There will come a time when I come back and we'll both be able to dominate together,'' Chandler said.

''When we get it going at the same time, it will be scary,'' Curry said. ''It will be something special.''

[Andrew]

Great read, pretty much sums up the post-Jordan Bulls. Krause may have assembled six championship teams, but the way he broke up the final sixth team pretty much ruined the rebuilding effort - which of course is what he was trying to avoid doing.

So much for Krause's draft night dream of 2001, when he selected Curry, traded Elton Brand for Chandler and thought two teenagers could develop and dominate the hoops planet. If he'd simply stuck with some of his original decisions and kept a nucleus of Brand, Brad Miller and Ron Artest, this team would have earned a couple of playoff berths by now.

Yes! Exactly! One of the most frustrating aspects of this rebuilding phase is the constant change of plans. The Clippers have been doing that for years; the last time they made the playoffs was 1997. There have been too many changes that have ultimately proven to be the wrong changes.

[Stevan]

Crawford4MIP4real,
I know where you're comming from. I gave up a while ago, around the time I said Kirk Hinrich should pretty much be the only untouchable (can't remember who else I added, Gill maybe) commodity.

Shit just isn't working and I'm already thinking about next season. I'm seeing a positive right now in the talk of how hard the players are going to have to work this offseason to change things up. In a way I want to see the young guys go through that and see how they come out of it, but on the other hand, they have been given years already to make something happen and they should be shipped off. Jamal Crawford is as much a problem as he is a solution. I think the Bulls need more of a natural two guard, but I there isn't anything in New York that would look good on the Bulls roster apart from Starbury. Fuck Houston, if they bring him in we'll be wishing back Jalen Rose!

This season was the first time I really really felt pissed off about the Bulls strugles because of all the hype about them competing. In previous seasons losing was expected. But now I'm just sick of it, and know the season is over. I'm sick of reading the same shit about the three "C's" and watching this ticking time bomb. There is always something stunning their development, some excuse. It's getting lame, and stale, and worst of all we really can't get the players that will make a difference. Players that make a difference aren't given away for lame ass highschoolers unless your name is Krause.

It's also hard to know who to keep, and hard to let go of the notion that each of the three "C's" is unique and could develop into something "special". Curry is the rare big man, Chandler was supposed to be the next Garnett, and I've read all these things about Crawford being lightning quick and "slippery" offensively. But in reality, they can probably be replaced with the exception of Curry, who should be worked until he bleads this summer.

Give us Finley or preferably Ray Allen and we'll give up Crawford, Chandler and whoever else. We'll hold onto Hinrich and Curry (until next season during which if he hasn't dramatically improved he can be dealt). Get a guy who makes a difference at the two or three from trading Crawford or whoever, and fill out the rest of the team with solid vets like Gill.

Butcher the Bulls Pax


Sigh...

[Nick]

I think it would be REALLY funny if Chicago change plans again, trade away 2 of the 3 C's and they develop into all stars on other teams. now THAT, my friends, would be Hi-Larious.

[Stevan]

That Barnsey, that is probably what will happen. The recent plans have all revolved around the three "C's" so these plan changes which Andrew noted were frustrating were happening, but in recent times the 3 "C's" have remained as the 'constant', while Artest, Rose, Baxter, Marshall, Miller and so on have been shown the door. Crawf, Curry, Chandler have remained while those other players were being exchanged to built around the three C's. The foundation really, has remained while those around them were moved.

First there was the Brand/Artest plan, then that turned into the three "C's" plan. The building blocks of the future have only been changed a couple of times. Those other trades which brought in guys like Rose were just supposed to be pieces of the puzzle, veteran guys to help develop the youngsters. So while it is frustrating, it is perhaps time to scrap plan 2, and start again. Let Pax do it his way.

As for players developing on other teams, that will probably happen too if the Bulls trade away some of these guys. The Bulls have simply had too many very young undeveloped players for too long. Minutes have been split to accomodate and "develop" a lot of players, and so a lot of these guys didn't get enough minutes to show their worth until they got to other teams. Artest went to Indiana and showed he was better than what everyone thought. Brand was already solid and proved what a commodity he really was/is. Brad Miller all of a sudden is a terrific all-round big guy.
Crawford, Chandler, Eddie Robinson, even Marcus Fizer will prove to be good players once they get into another situation, better players than they were in Chicago. But in Chicago they play for weak teams, and over the last few years have had inconsistent minutes, injuries, poor coaching and so on.

So now I'm looking forward to the offseason. I think Scott Skiles is a good fit for the team. He has been pretty up front with the media, and hasn't babied the team too much. I wanna see Curry get whipped into shape, and a new player who doesn't need to develop, but can step in and be the man, and not a freakin bitch.

C - A fit and mean Eddy Curry, playing just under 40 minutes.

PF - who ever. You have JYD and AD who might be around. Fizer is there too. Chandler can be dealt so long as he is healthy and has some value. A power forward needs to be tough and solid, Tyson apparently doesn't have the skills of a SF, or the build of a PF. Too much trouble than he's worth, so deal him.

SF - That contributing developed player who should be brought in.

SG - same as above. He should be a shooting guard or small forward.

PG - Hinrich, with a solid veteran back up. Brunson, Doug Overton, Jeff Mcinnis, etc.

The three fixtures are, Curry, ???, and Hinrich.

Are Portland still trying to deal Rasheed?

Sorry to rant for so long!

[air gordon]

well said, i'm going to hold off further commentating on this. all this bulls talk is giving me a flat rubbery one besides, the purple and gold contention may complain about the bulls overload

[reapershole]

blowing an 18 point to the lowly wizards was the last straw for me.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay20.html for once i agree with chicago columnist, jay mariotti. it's a good read

all the players are to blame here, but the guy that brought them in is the one who should/will receive most of the blame- pig vomit krumbs krause. krause said he didn't want the bulls to turn into the post championship celtics of the 80's...

it's sad when the rookie who was drafted only because of a motorcycle accident and some nbdl guy are the best players on the team

excuse me while i hang myself

as a bulls fan let me say this to you, get a gun and let's go visit the united center. i think i know how to clear some cap space for Kobe.

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as a bulls fan let me say this to you, get a gun and let's go visit the united center. i think i know how to clear some cap space for Kobe.

lol who are u going to shoot first?

[Stevan]

Scottie Pippen's in a lot of pain... perhaps it would be humane to end his misery with the Bulls? Nah just kidding...

Please no Kobe Bryant on the Bulls. I've hated on the guy for so long I would feel bad as a Bulls fan having him on the team and acting like I like it or openly hating one of the Bulls own Imagine Crawford4MIP4real's pain! That link of Kobe crying might become quite a dilemma for him... Besides, he ain't leaving LA.

[j.23]

imagine kobe going to the bulls next year.. that'd be crazy