Who's the best SG

[sliccat]

Who's the best SG in the NBA, and why?

[fgrep15]

I voted for VC since he is my favourite player, but first I'd like to know why Allan Houston, Paul Pierce, Micheal Finley, Micheal Redd, Rip Hamilton, Cuttino Mobley and Ray Allen aren't in there and Jalen Rose, Stack and Latrell Spreewell are??

[Ruff Ryder]

I'd like to know why Allan Houston, Paul Pierce, Micheal Finley, Micheal Redd, Rip Hamilton, Cuttino Mobley and Ray Allen aren't in there and Jalen Rose, Stack and Latrell Spreewell are??

Exactly. I'd like to know why too.

I voted for Kobe. Anyway Rose is more of a point forward.(Pg/SF) He can play some sg but he isnt worthy enough to be up there. Paul Pierce should be up there.

[Filip]

Why the fuck should Cuttino Mobley be in the list?!?!
He is fucking useless in 39minuts, all he post up with is 15points as a sg!
Only good thing I can see is that he shoots 40% 3pts.

Anyway T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce and VC are the best SGs

[fgrep15]

Why the fuck should Cuttino Mobley be in the list?!?!
He is fucking useless in 39minuts, all he post up with is 15points as a sg!
Only good thing I can see is that he shoots 40% 3pts.

Anyway T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce and VC are the best SGs

I put Mobley b/c I'd rather have him than Stackhouse. His scoring average does not reflect how good a scorer he can be, Franhise is only averaging 17ppg. They have all decreased in scoring because the Rockets team seems to be the new defensive stoppers in the NBA (Van Gundy) and Yao, Franchise and Mobley have to share the ball.

Mobley 2001-2002, before Yao
42.1mins
43.5 fg% 39.5 3pt% 85.0 ft% 4.10 rpg 2.5apg 1.47spg 0.5 bpg
21.7 ppg

[sliccat]

I forgot about Pierce and Allen, but it doesn't matter because the first four are the only real choices. The other three are only there because I was throwing out names.

[fgrep15]

I forgot about Pierce and Allen, but it doesn't matter because the first four are the only real choices. The other three are only there because I was throwing out names.

I think many will agree that Pierce is in the AI, Tmac, Kobe and VC level, if not better than some of them. I also think Ray Allen should be there, but s'all good, the rest can just get honourable mentions.

[VCFAN]

Yeah there are the elite guards in the league like Kobe, Vince, T-Mac, AI, Pierce, and Allen who are a cut above the rest. I don't think anyone else can be listed with them, except maybe lebron and carmelo in a couple of years if you count them as shooting guards.

[Shep]

going by last season:
1. tracy mcgrady
2. kobe bryant
3. paul pierce
4. allen iverson
5. vince carter
5. michael jordan

[DrNick]

Kerry Kittles


Jk


i would prolly go wid t-mac


well hez tall....a good scorer just needs to be on a better team

[Amphatoast]

I'd have to go with Kobe. T-mac and Pierce are equal to him, but Kobe has had better success than them I think ( yaya he has shaq and they don't but still)

[renegade]

My top 5 sg at the moment are:
1. Paul Pierce (bit biased cause he is my fav player in my fav team)
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Vince Carter
4. T-Mac
5. Allen Iverson

i'd vote in the poll but paul pierce isn't there. someone thinks that mobley is better than him

[fgrep15]

i'd vote in the poll but paul pierce isn't there. someone thinks that mobley is better than him

If you are reffering to me then you didn't fully read my post

I voted for VC since he is my favourite player, but first I'd like to know why Allan Houston, Paul Pierce, Micheal Finley, Micheal Redd, Rip Hamilton, Cuttino Mobley and Ray Allen aren't in there and Jalen Rose, Stack and Latrell Spreewell are??

[matiass]

ray allen, the boy can shoot
plus he got game

[Jay-Will]

Silccat told you at school that most peeps would vote that Kobe is better than AI and every one else you know kobe is the better and best shooting guard in the nba so hahahahahahahahahaha

O YEAH I FORGOT TO SAY Kobe is my pick cause of these reasons

1. He plays for my team the La Lakers

2. He is just better than any other shooting guard's even more than AI is

3. He is not even level headed right now cause of the trial and manages to do better than any other shooting guard that just my opinion.

4. People shout the words guilty, rapist, and they boo him all the time and even in his home town and he is put down all the time and is still doing good in basketball

5. When the La Lakers went against La Clippers Kobe was doing the job of center and power forward when shaq and molone was not there.

So tell me who gets booed and get treated like a bad guy and still manages to do good.

So Silccat if you think everything i said is not true maybe you need to read your own signature!

[Nel]

Kobe's doing a good job without shaq and malone but still they're losing. My pick is allen iverson. Its unbelievable with his size he scores a lot of points although the percentages are low.

[Jackal]

O YEAH I FORGOT TO SAY Kobe is my pick cause of these reasons

1. He plays for my team the La Lakers

2. He is just better than any other shooting guard's even more than AI is

3. He is not even level headed right now cause of the trial and manages to do better than any other shooting guard that just my opinion.

4. People shout the words guilty, rapist, and they boo him all the time and even in his home town and he is put down all the time and is still doing good in basketball

5. When the La Lakers went against La Clippers Kobe was doing the job of center and power forward when shaq and molone was not there.

So tell me who gets booed and get treated like a bad guy and still manages to do good.

So Silccat if you think everything i said is not true maybe you need to read your own signature!

To tell you guys the truth, I think T-Mac & Kobe are tied for the # one SG position.

Now to your quote, just had a few comments.

1. Incorrect, Jerry Buss owns the team, unless you're Jerry Buss, I don't think the Lakers are your team.

2. You totally convinced me.

3. Hmm, having Malone/GP And Shaq on your team, should have some influence on him doing better than other SG's. Guys like T-Mac and Carter are the defense's number one priority. Teams can gamble, and collapse on them. Not on Kobe, you double (triple) him, and you have one (two) star(s) open. Yeps, Shaq, Malone and GP.

4. See number 3.

5. I dont remember them winning that game.

So tell me who gets booed and get treated like a bad guy and still manages to do good.

Almost any other athlete in the league, when someone who dislikes Duncan, boo's him, you think he plays bad? Hah, the whole Kings stadium boo's whoever is playing against them. That makes the opposing team play horrendous, doesnt it?

Anyways, my opinion is that T-Mac and Kobe are equally good.

[flip_wun]

my top 5:

1. Paul Pierce
2. Kobe
3. AI
4. T-Mac
5. Ray Allen

[Jay-Will]

psycho jackal was i even talking to you alot lot of people dont MINE THERE OWN BUSINESS, like you i was talking to someone i know so like i said mine yo own business but you should of known what i meant by my team you idiot think for a minute i will type it slow so you can understand
t h e r e m y f a v o r i t e t e a m ! you jackass! also what i meant by number 3 is that kobe is donig real good but he chould be doing like he was donig last season and i did say it was just my own OPINION but, did i ever say that the lakers beat the clippers that game HELL NO then act like it PUNK.

PS if you did not mean anything by your post than my bad but if you did well take it any way you want to

O YEAH AND HAVE A NICE DAY !

[Andrew]

Again, please read the Member Rules and try hard to follow them.

[Jackal]

psycho jackal was i even talking to you alot lot of people dont MINE THERE OWN BUSINESS, like you i was talking to someone i know so like i said mine yo own business

Funny, you need a PUBLIC forum to talk to someone you meet at school? Heard of a phone? If you want to be that impersonal, use an Instant Messenger, if you're going to talk to someone you know on a PUBLIC forum, in a section where other users of the PUBLIC forum will post, you will get comments on your posts. Whether you like it, is another thing. If you don't want others commenting on your posts (which are directed towards your buddies) the PM feature is still functional.

did i ever say that the lakers beat the clippers that game HELL NO then act like it PUNK.

Forgive me, here I thought winning ballgames was important, silly me. All games should be played this way, one player scores 90 points, and loses. Woah, accomplishments and beyond, bravo, bravo.

What's the point in playing great, if you cant get your team to win? Isn't that what makes players, great? I thought it was.

Punk? I don't think I called you any names, so please refrain from doing this in your future posts directed towards me and/or other users. We can have a civilised discussion without the words. (Unless you're uncivillised, in which case, go ahead and call me names.)



Thank you for wishing me a nice day, same to you.

[sliccat]

Funny, you need a PUBLIC forum to talk to someone you meet at school? Heard of a phone? If you want to be that impersonal, use an Instant Messenger, if you're going to talk to someone you know on a PUBLIC forum, in a section where other users of the PUBLIC forum will post, you will get comments on your posts. Whether you like it, is another thing. If you don't want others commenting on your posts (which are directed towards your buddies) the PM feature is still functional.

That's some funny sh*t man.

What's the point in playing great, if you cant get your team to win?

You still get paid a couple hundred MILLION dollars.

So tell me who gets booed and get treated like a bad guy and still manages to do good.

Micheal Jordan. Kobe got out-played by a 19-year old.


Here are the reason's I think AI is the best SG in the league:

1. Ray Allen is not a superstar. He can't carry his own team to the playoffs. He's never even been clearly the best player on his team and still isn't.(Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell, Rashard Lewis)

2.Paul Pierce, while just as good of a PLAYER, doesn't embody the personality of his team, partly because the Celtics don't have one(beside winning championships 20 years ago). When you think of the sixers, you think of hustle and resilience, and Allen Iverson leads that image by example, constantly playing with injuries that side line other players for months(Shaq's broken toe)

3.Vince Carter is (compared to the other top SG's) is too one-dimensional. He isn't a superstar on both ends of the floor. Yes, he's an average, even above average defender and rebounder, but Kobe is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, T-Mac and Pierce(and Kobe) are excellent passers and rebounders. Iverson is coming onto his own as a passer, and was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in steals three years in a row.

4. Tracy McGrady probably the most unstoppable SG in the league, unless it's Kobe in the 4th, or Iverson in the zone, and that's the problem with him. He just isn't a winner. If I had to make a shot at the buzzer I'd pick Kobe. A free throw? Paul Pierce. A play(on defense or offense, except a shot) to seal the game? Iverson. T-mac can do these things, but he isn't the best at any of them. Plus, if he was getting double teamed with 7 seconds to go, I couldn't trust him to throw an open teamate the ball. Anybody else on this list would. So until he grows up, he won't be the best.

5. The shouldn't be any reason Kobe isn't the undisputed best SG, or player, in the world right now. He's got three rings, and they couldn't have gotten half way there without him. There are, however, two reasons why his isn't.
1.The case against him has taken his focus away from basketball, and it should. I don't know if he did it or not, and I won't post my opinion's here, but his life is on the line, and that's more important. Unfortunately, the others in this list are so good, that even the slightest fall-off takes him from no.1 to no.5.
2.He's not the best player on his own team. Shaq is the best player on the Lakers, because not one player in the league can even slow him down. The only time they could, and the only time that Kobe was the best player on his team, they were embarrased in the second round of the playoffs. And Shaq was still better than Scottie Pippen, or any other second-best player on a Championship team in NBA history.

[fgrep15]

3.Vince Carter is (compared to the other top SG's) is too one-dimensional. He isn't a superstar on both ends of the floor. Yes, he's an average, even above average defender and rebounder, but Kobe is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, T-Mac and Pierce(and Kobe) are excellent passers and rebounders. Iverson is coming onto his own as a passer, and was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in steals three years in a row.

I don't know if you couldn't think of the right word but one dimensional does not reflect VC's game. One dimensional, Allan Houston strictly a shooter, Bruce Bowen strictly a great defender, Kyle Korver only a shooter. Carter is an above average passer, rebounder and this year defender. He also seems to have a better outside shooting touch than Kobe, Tmac and Iverson, Pierce (now maybe b/c his outside shooting seems to have digressed), not Ray Allen though(or Houston if he counts), not even close. Iverson has always been a better passer than the other guys I don't know how he's just coming to his own as a passer. Statistical defense isn't always good defense isn't always good defense, Melo isn't really a good defender but he gets steals and blocks, but also gamble a lot. Iverson is more of a statistical defender than a good defender even though he has improved in his decision making and is now playing better defense without gambling as much. Kobe is the best defender out of the bunch , with Pierce next then VC, Kobe still gambles a lot more though since he knows that if he's beaten Shaq is there to protect the inside. Tmac only plays good D when he's playing another superstar or when the game might be on the line.

I think Carter's biggest fault is that he isn't as willing as the others to take over the game and take as many shots till the 4th quarter at least. He also doesn't go after rebounds as much as he should but has been improving the last few games.

Last Year
Tmac in the game Orlando 17.8 ppg more, Tmac on the bench opponents score 7.4 ppg less... Kobe in game LA 13 ppg more, Kobe on the bench opponents score 2ppg less.

1. Ray Allen is not a superstar. He can't carry his own team to the playoffs. He's never even been clearly the best player on his team and still isn't.(Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell, Rashard Lewis)

Rashard is not better than Ray Allen. Would Philly make the playoffs in the West?, I think having Cassell and Big Dog, and now Rashard just hold him back in what he can do offensively.

If I had to make a shot at the buzzer I'd pick Kobe. A free throw? Paul Pierce. A play(on defense or offense, except a shot) to seal the game? Iverson. T-mac can do these things, but he isn't the best at any of them.

A free throw? Allan Houston or Ray Allen. At least you admitted Iverson isn't a shooter, but I wouldn't pick him as a guy to go to on offense, Kobe is the best bet. If he's not as reliable to make a shot, then that makes him a little limited compaed to the other guys in crunch time. Defense I don't know either, you can't always steal the ball off a guy, AI gets most of his steals picking passing lanes not picking the ball off people, and if the guy is shooting, or driving whats AI going to do.

[Matt]

AI or Kobe. Not even considering T-Mac, he doesn't play passionate D and his team sucks mainly cos of his innability to lead them. AI has a pathetic team but manages to lead them to W's. Kobe, well, he can play i guess

[sliccat]

I don't know if you couldn't think of the right word but one dimensional does not reflect VC's game. One dimensional, Allan Houston strictly a shooter, Bruce Bowen strictly a great defender, Kyle Korver only a shooter.

Compared to the other great shooting guards in the league(except Ray Allen)

Rashard is not better than Ray Allen. Would Philly make the playoffs in the West?, I think having Cassell and Big Dog, and now Rashard just hold him back in what he can do offensively.

He already is arguably and will definately be a better all-around player than Allen, but good point about the others holding him back. I don't agree, because he could never be double teamed with a good-great PG and SF waiting. And Seattle has a lot more weapons than Philly does, especially with all of the injuries this year.

A free throw? Allan Houston or Ray Allen. At least you admitted Iverson isn't a shooter, but I wouldn't pick him as a guy to go to on offense, Kobe is the best bet. If he's not as reliable to make a shot, then that makes him a little limited compaed to the other guys in crunch time. Defense I don't know either, you can't always steal the ball off a guy, AI gets most of his steals picking passing lanes not picking the ball off people, and if the guy is shooting, or driving whats AI going to do.

I meant a game winning free throw, and I definately wouldn't pick Houston over Pierce, Allen, or Kobe in the clutch. And Iverson is a very good shooter, but he's too unpredictable. I've seen him make threes from half court getting double teamed(twice), only to come back and miss a wide open layup. Or, more relevent, to make an incredible game winning shot over Baron Davis, only to blow game 2 against Detroit by missing two free throws.

And as for making the plays, I've lost count of the times I've seen him get doubled in the last few seconds, only to make a great pass to Eric Snow or Aaron McKie for the game winner. And on defense, he has gotten much better at picking the ball off the dribble, and it doesn't matter what he'd do if the person was driving, if he steals the pass, and he's done that a lot in the fourth quarter.