Knicks trade for Marbury, Penny

[Bill Russell]

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1700818

What a trade guys!

Knicks get Stephon Marbury & Penny Hardaway

NY gets Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, the rights to Milos Vujanic, two first round draft picks and cash.

Well New York fans, maybe you got the point guard you were waiting for,

Good move by Isiah Thomas... Wonder what Colangelo was thinking... I know McDyess' and Ward's contract is up after the season is over, but damn...

[Mikki]

get out man!!

that trade sucks pretty badly for the suns IMO... well, anyway they get many players... but Steph is really a great scorer man...

[scubilete]

Terrific news Tales.

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IMO NY got the better deal out of this, got rid of some PG who they had to many of them, and got 2 veterans for return, + one of them is a NBA All-Star. I really like the NY possible Line-up:

C-Mutombo
PF-Thomas
SF-Van Horn
SG-Houston (if he stays healthy)/Penny
PG-Marbury

as for Phoenix:

They obviously want to get ready for the future by making some cap room, but I never expected they would give up their star player who is a good franchise player. I guess the future is in Amare´s hands.

[Steve_NYC]

i am hearing lampje is inlvolved in this trade... plus 2 number one picks.. if thats the case.. yes knicks are better today.. but still only a 40 win team and stuck in the mud

[Steve_NYC]

'Dice Ward Eisley and the yugo point guard no real loss.. for the NYK's ..no problem... penny and marbury two of the most selfish players in the league... plus marbury hates van horn and the feeling there is mutual.. getting traded what three times now... starbury? Isiah had tradeed for two big names... like his guts on this.. but once again.. 40 wins and a first round exit... isnt it supposed to be about titles?

this means frank williams never plays another significant role ..... thought we would give him a shot...

we NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED a big man... no more guards!!!!!!!

[fgrep15]

They obviously want to get ready for the future by making some cap room, but I never expected they would give up their star player who is a good franchise player. I guess the future is in Amare´s hands.

Amare and Marion's hands, Carbakapa is also promising and Barbosa is aiight, mann Barbosa has crazy long arms.

The Knicks would acquire Marbury, Penny Hardaway and Cezary Trybanski from Phoenix for Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, Maciej Lampe, the rights to Milos Vujanic and cash, according to a source who is close to one of the players and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

[MC Hao]

holyshit!!! yeah, that's awesome!!! we got starbury, woohoo!!! knicks gonna make the playoffs!!! go isiah!

[Matthew]

Isiah has worked wonders! If this trade goes through man.. this team could make a serious run at the finals. Im still in shock but a good shock

[oboeguy]

If you ask me, the Suns are making their push to get Kobe next year. They could be something like $20mil under the cap by the end of the season, more than enough to get Kobe, if Bubba Love doesn't get him first in his cell (sorry, couldn't resist).

This is a good deal for now, for the Knicks. Does it mean they've given-up on Lampe? I guess so. I also think this is a move to get Sweetney some more playing time (Spoon and Dice gone ==> suddenly room for Sweetney to play).

Does anybody know about the 7'2" guy in the trade? (Trybanski) I guess including him in the trade is like a straight-up deal for Lampe on the side (I'd guess both make min contracts).

Here's hoping Vujanic turns out to be the next Fred Weiss (i.e. never comes to the USA).

Edit: oh yeah, I agree, Knicks definitely in the playoffs this year if the deal goes through.

[benji]

Lampe is about fifty times better than Trybanski. I'm willing to say that Trybanski is the worst player to ever play in the NBA. He makes Yinka Dare look like Shaq. He makes Darko look like Wilt. Jerry West gave him a big contract and got rid of him after seeing him play last year. Oh well, he doesn't make the Knicks any worse in the pivot.

[oboeguy]

Thanks for the heads-up on the seven-footer. Too bad he sucks, as I hate to see Lampe go. Watch him turn into the next Dirk... and the Knicks look like idiots (as usual). OTOH, Isiah has a rep for evaluating young talent, so maybe Lampe really is a dud.

I am so glad that Layden is gone... Isiah can't do anything wrong for a while from my POV.

I'm waiting to see what happens when Ward's contract guarantee ends on the 10th.

[air gordon]

OTOH, Isiah has a rep for evaluating young talent, so maybe Lampe really is a dud.

maybe he is, but he never got a chance and he's too young to even make an accurate assessment...

trying not to get repetitive- it's a good deal for both sides.

must be hard for the players on the suns. they set big expectations for themselves but have been maybe the league's biggest underachievers. now this trade.

possibly in a few years, the suns return as an elite team in the west- amare & marion will be in their primes...lampe, cabarkapa, barbosa may develop into great role players... plus they'll land a big name FA because of the cap space they got from this trade. plus they have those 1st round draft picks at their disposal

[flip_wun]

damn.. i think the Knicks might be givin' up a LOT but they are gettin' Starbury and Penny in return so Zeke must be really happy about that

i'm surprised that the Suns would even pull off such a trade but they do get some beef in the front court to replace Amare with.. but what happens when Amare returns? it'll be a West Conference version of Chicago

Knicks get rid of all them playas that were gettin' old and gettin' way too much burn than they deserved IMO.. Ward and Eisley for Starbury and Penny in the backcourt is an EXTREMELY good deal

i think the Knicks will come out better with this deal.. i feel bad for Matrix though lol

peace.. my first post too

[Repole]

it's not as bad as most think for the suns. They want to build around amare and marrion and thats what they're doing. they got rid of around 20 mill in cap making them big time players in this years free agency. along with a few loto picks (if i'm correct one of the firsts is from new york is this year). it's a move for the future, penny is over the hill, still a decent player but not a 13 mill a year guy and marbury is good but i'd be willing to get rid of him if it gets rid of penny's contract. in esence the suns got

20 mill in cap and a high draft pick from the knicks in return for penny and marbury.

That 20 mill can certainly get you a player of marbury's calliber and the draft pick can get you a player with some big time upside. i like the deal for the suns future. sure it hurts now but lets face it, they're not gona win the title this year. I feel bad for the knicks, they continue to dig themselves in a bigger hole with the salary cap just to be an average team.

[Amphatoast]

I got mix feelings about this trade. Yeah, sounds like a all win for the Knicks getting Marbury and he finally gets to play in NY which was his dream and they get Penny to help Anderson back up Houston/Van Horn but there is a lot of if's.
- What if Lampe turns out to be the next Dirk or better?
-What if Milos lives up to the hype he is getting over there in Europe and comes to the NBA and turns out to be better than Marbury?
-He won't be the next Weis ( altho i hope he does lol). He didn't want to come to New York, because he was afraid his playing time would be limited since at the time they had Ward, Easily, and Williams at point guard and were trying to get Van Exel. Now with the Suns, he could feel a bit safer there knowing they in a rebuilding mode unlike NY which was a win now mode.
- What if McDyess continues to improve? I think he will be starting since Amare is injuried and since he will be to go to guy who knows what he will do.
-What if Marbury and Van Horn start having problems again?
-what if those picks turn out to be good?
-What if Kobe goes to the Suns since they will have the $$?!

oh well, Knicks got some pluses out of this
- All-Star point guard that will love playing vs. the Nets and won't allow Kidd to own him in the 4ht quarter lol
-Good backup in Penny
-Big man (hope he develops)
-get rid of eisley...boy I thought that was impossible!
-log jam at PF (Just Thomas, Harrington, and Sweetney now)

Knicks basketball just got more entertaining to watch now.
Time for Marbury to shine in his hometown

[Andreas Dahl]

i saw some of Lampe's games here in sweden during the EC.
he was realy good. a great player


personally, i'd like to see Penny get a lot of playtime.
it would be awsome to see him regain some of that old magic he once had
although that probeblly won't happen... to bad...

[showstopper496]

ave any of you stopped to check out the contracts on these guys? Hardaway expires in the 3 more years so he isnt that big of a deal. Marbury's contract is outrageous. He will be making 22 mill alone in 2008/2009. The problem with this deal is... Houston and Marbury alone will consume over 85% of your capspace FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS! You guys gave up TWO first round picks in this deal.

Marbury is a very good player and it helps your club in the meantime. You guys should make the playoffs for the next few years.. but once Houston and Marbury get older and you have a couple of years of no first round picks, it will come back to haunt you. Zeke is mortgaging the future by breaking the bank now. Your cap situation just got worse, you are out two first round picks and Marbury, as good as he is, isnt able to lead you to a championship with the people on this club."


Like I said in that post, it makes them better now.. and they should make the playoffs with Marbury at point. But they really screwed their cap now and they gave up two first rounders. They will be more exciting and that alone probably has the fans jumping for joy.. I just think Zeke is discounting the future for more wins in the presesnt. I dont like this move for New York. For Phoenix, they just added two first round choices and ton of cap space. Considering they werent going anywhere this year it was a very good move IMO.

[xbballplaya223x]

What the hell is going on here? This move is flat out terrible! Just awful. Marbury?! This guy is not championship quality. You absolutely can not win a championship with him at point guard. Not possible. You don't even need to mention Penny, he's completely washed up. I don't care about a single one of these players we gave up as far as their ability on the floor, except Lampe. What I do care about is that McDysse and Ward both were on their last yer of there contracts, which added up to 18 Million. We had to wait a half a season, and then we would have actaully cleared up some cap room. What is unbelievable is that we traded 2 first rounders as well. So basically, we practically traded four years of draft picks. We traded this upcoming pick, a future pick, Lampe, and McDysse who we got for the 7th pick two years ago. All this for one all-star who is notorious for being a bad team player? Why didn't we just let Ward and McDysse walk, sign some high caliber free agent, build the team up through the draft, and start a new foundation around them and the young guys like Williams, Lampe and Sweetney. Instead, we have the '97 New Jersey Nets with Marbury and Van Horn. This team is garbage. Absolutely no hope for at 4 years. I care if Marbury brings us to the playoffs, we were in the playoffs every. Its time for a championship. I want one in my lifetime. Why has the second round become our goal now? This move just shows Dolan doesn't give a damb about the future as long as the garden is selling out. Ishia Thomas should be hung.

[nublu01]

wow... zeke really knows how to work it as a GM.

stoudamire, camby, tmac, and now starbury....

[fgrep15]

- What if McDyess continues to improve? I think he will be starting since Amare is injuried and since he will be to go to guy who knows what he will do.

Marion will be the go to guy not Mcdyess.

Marbury would be reunited with Keith Van Horn, his teammate in New Jersey. Last summer, Marbury said the Nets didn't win when he was there because he was surrounded with untalented players, lumping Van Horn in with Gheorghe Muresan and Jim McIlvaine.

"No matter how long you play in this league, there's still things that come up that are surprising, and this is definitely one of them," Van Horn said. "Personally we never had any problems. On the court we didn't win, and I think that was the biggest problem that Stephon and I had."

"This is a big picture kind of move, and a bold move," Colangelo said. "We didn't have flexibility under the cap, and we were hamstrung by some contracts. This allows us to be a player in free agency if we choose to. This is not a talent-for-talent deal."

Also the Suns don't get 20 million , more like 10 million.

The trade represents a major shakeup for both teams. In exchange for its best player, Phoenix will go under the salary cap next summer and will have at least $8 million to offer to a free agent class that includes Kobe Bryant.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1700818

[Vins15]

great steal for NY...they get a star pg and a good starting lineup

C-Mutombo
PF-Thomas (and Sweetney will get more chance to play and show how good he can be)
SF-Van Horn..(sometimes Penny can also play this spot..or moving Houston to SF and putting Penny at SG)
SG-Houston (back up by Penny)
PG-Marbury

Phx

C-Lampe/Carbarkpa
PF-McDyess/Stoudimire (wondering how they'll put playing time between the two )
SF-Marion
SG-Joe Johnson
PG-horrible pg like Ward,Eisley

definatly a rip off for the Knicks...Lampe might be good..but McDyess is coming out multiple surguries...i know they want to let Ward and McDyess go at the end of the summer so they can free money for another big name fa star but they'll struggle this season

[fgrep15]

Phx

C-Lampe/Carbarkpa

please don't say that, Carbakapa is not a center he is a PF or SF, they will start Amare and Mcdyess at the C and PF more likely, have Marion at the 3, Johnson at the 2 and prolly Howard or Ward and Barbosa at PG.

Carbakapa will be 6th man and I don't know what role Lampe will have right now.

[Colin]

I'm bad luck, I bought Marbury's Wolves jersey. He's traded within a month, I buy his Suns jersey. He's traded within a month. Why???? F*ing Suns management being bitches. Don't they understand that Phoenix's main reason for the bad record is no Amare (they weren't doing really good with him, but they were doing alright.) Wait for Amare to come back and see how the team does before making a trade like that.

(apologies if some of these issues have been addressed, but Colin doesn't have enough time to read a lot of posts anymore.)

Is Amare or McDyess going to play center? Or is one of them coming off the bench? Or are they going to trade one of them? Playing them out of position = sux. Bringing one off the bench = sux. They better trade McDyess for someone else because they don't need him. What they needed was a consistent 7 footer who can bang, play good defence and make a few garbage hoops on offence. Not a frail 6'10'' PF who's a slasher. They already have one. Marbury is a better player for this team then McDyess is. If Phoenix didn't have an Amare this trade would make more sense. The only thing Phoenix really gains from this is salary cap space, but that's not something to give up your best player for.

Enough ranting for today. I'm pissed. *grumble, grumble*

[Yessie]

[quote="oboeguy"]If you ask me, the Suns are making their push to get Kobe next year. They could be something like $20mil under the cap by the end of the season, more than enough to get Kobe, if Bubba Love doesn't get him first in his cell (sorry, couldn't resist).

NAH man dont ask you you read that on ESPN.


ESPN: KINGS@SUNS Fri., 10:30 PM ET


ESPN.com news services
NEW YORK -- Stephon Marbury is returning to his hometown as part of a blockbuster trade between the New York Knicks and Phoenix Suns on Monday.


The Knicks acquired Marbury, Penny Hardaway and Cezary Trybanski from Phoenix for Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, Maciej Lampe, the rights to Milos Vujanic, two first-round draft picks and cash, Suns owner Jerry Colangelo confirmed.

The trade is the fourth of Marbury's career. The Brooklyn native was drafted by Milwaukee and immediately dealt to Minnesota, where he subsequently forced a trade to New Jersey. The Nets sent him to Phoenix for Jason Kidd, and he's now headed to the Knicks in the first major move made by new team president Isiah Thomas.

"I think we got the best deal," Knicks center Dikembe Mutombo said. "He's among the best point guards in the league, he's an All-Star player."

The trade represents a major shakeup for both teams. In exchange for its best player, Phoenix will go under the salary cap next summer and will have at least $8 million to offer to a free agent class that includes Kobe Bryant.

Colangelo said the Suns will save $20 million to $25 million in salary and luxury tax costs through the 2004-05 season. That will allow the Suns to rebuild a team that was eliminated in the first round of the playoffs last season after missing the postseason the year before.

"This is a big picture kind of move, and a bold move," Colangelo said. "We didn't have flexibility under the cap, and we were hamstrung by some contracts. This allows us to be a player in free agency if we choose to. This is not a talent-for-talent deal."


Marbury, one of the league's best point guards, is averaging a team-high 20.8 points for the Suns, who are in last place in the Pacific Division. He signed a four-year extension, worth approximately $76 million, earlier this season that kicks in with the 2005-06 season and runs through 2008-09. Counting this season, he has six years on his contract and will make $14.625 million next season, then a yet-to-be-determined figure in the first year of the extension.


Hardaway, a former All-Star, has been coming off the bench for the Suns. He has three years left on a deal that will pay him $13.5 million this season, $14.625 million in 2004-05 and $15.75 million in 2005-06.


The contracts of McDyess and Ward expire at the end of this season, and Ward has a buyout clause that can be exercised before Jan. 10. Eisley is under contract for three more seasons. Vujanic, the starting point guard on the Yugoslavian team that won the 2002 World Championship, is playing in Europe.


McDyess, who played for the Suns in 1997-98, returned to action last month after missing more than a year because of knee surgery. McDyess took over a spot in the Knicks' starting lineup from Kurt Thomas, then lost it -- thereby becoming expendable.


"We've got a scoring point guard coming in, and a two-guard who's been getting it done for a number of years. So it's going to be a different look for us out there, but it definitely should be an improvement," Kurt Thomas said.


Eisley, who recently lost his starting job to Frank Williams, did not play in the Knicks' 95-85 loss to New Jersey on Sunday night.


Ward has been with the Knicks for 10 seasons, the second-longest current tenure of any player who spent his career with one NBA team.


Isiah Thomas has already turned over about half the Knicks' roster in the two weeks since he replaced team president Scott Layden.


"I knew right after we got a new sheriff in town that we were in for a shakeup. One of the reasons he was brought here was to shake up the team and get us to the playoffs," Mutombo said.


Marbury will be reunited with Keith Van Horn, his teammate in New Jersey. Last summer, Marbury said the Nets didn't win when he was there because he was surrounded with untalented players, lumping Van Horn in with Gheorghe Muresan and Jim McIlvaine.


"No matter how long you play in this league, there's still things that come up that are surprising, and this is definitely one of them," Van Horn said. "Personally we never had any problems. On the court we didn't win, and I think that was the biggest problem that Stephon and I had."


At 14-21, the Knicks are fifth in a weak Atlantic Division. But with a starting lineup of Marbury, Allan Houston, Van Horn, Thomas and Mutombo, they should have enough talent to snap their two-year streak of missing the playoffs.


"On paper, talentwise, this puts us right up there at the top," Van Horn said. "But that's just paper."