Iverson return likely monday

by **Dramacydal** on Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:42 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1698337

finally, they really need him to get back to the top of the east, i hope its not too early since they say hes doin "ok" which doesnt sound too good to me...

by **Matt** on Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:18 pm

good to see AI back, hopefully philly can top the atlantic

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:22 pm

AI's used to playing while beaten up. I'm surprised he elected not to play through his latest pain. Still, it's better that he actually rest his injuries once in a while.

by **Matthew** on Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:27 pm

AI is maybe the toughest player ever in nba history. The way he plays and the beatings he takes and still plays hard every game, he's a warrior

by **Amphatoast** on Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:04 am

ya he is a warrior for sure, but with all these injuries, he might have to retire early because eventually it will become too much for him. Also he uses his speed, and more than likely, unless he trains like Jerry Rice, he will get slower and slow AI+injuries=AI ain't that good.

by **sliccat** on Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:45 am

Amphatoast wrote:ya he is a warrior for sure, but with all these injuries, he might have to retire early because eventually it will become too much for him. Also he uses his speed, and more than likely, unless he trains like Jerry Rice, he will get slower and slow AI+injuries=AI ain't that good.

You didn't see last years all-star game, did you?If you give AI a teamate like Scottie Pippen or Shaq it won't matter

by **Jay-Will** on Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:36 pm

Sliccat (Arthur) jus face it AI sucks and so do the 76ers the lakers wll always put the 76ers in check, and you know that and when you say the lakers suck you are jus frontin' Also Kobe is the BEST sg in the league, and you also know that too. And for the record can you say championship if you can that what the 76ers cant win a championship. :lol:

by **Matthew** on Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:30 pm

Lol trash talk in nba talk :lol:

Kobe is not the best shooting guard. He will be in the prison leagues though

The rapers have lost 4 straight, and as for your championship comment, can you say san antonio spurs?

by . on Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:49 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:
Kobe is not the best shooting guard. He will be in the prison leagues though

Hey Nostradamus, now that you predicted his future, can you predict mine? PM me about it

by **Jay-Will** on Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:58 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:Lol trash talk in nba talk
Kobe is not the best shooting guard. He will be in the prison leagues though
The rapers have lost 4 straight, and as for your championship comment, can you say san antonio spurs?

can u shut the da fuck up u dont know what you are talking about at all so there and for another championship comment ca you say La Lakers
plus kobe did not rape that ugly bitch and he will beat the case and he is the best shooting guard :twisted:

by **Bill Russell** on Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:48 am

Calm da fup down Melo_fan_15...

by **Bourbon** on Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:03 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:Kobe is not the best shooting guard

Would you care to tell us who the best shooting guard is?

by **Jay-Will** on Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:27 pm

Tales wrote:Calm da fup down Melo_fan_15...

you dont know what u r talking about nba fan kobe is the best shooting guard cause i say so and its the truth and to tales why wont u shut the fuck up u bastard! :twisted:

by **Bill Russell** on Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:36 pm

Well, for a variety of reasons... Do you allow me to say two of them? If you don't, I will say the same way... One, I've been here for 2 and a half years... I know better than you, despite what you say and shout... Two... I can warn one of our friendly moderators and you're gone my friend... Improper behavior...

by **sliccat** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:18 am

Tales wrote:Well, for a variety of reasons... Do you allow me to say two of them? If you don't, I will say the same way... One, I've been here for 2 and a half years... I know better than you, despite what you say and shout... Two... I can warn one of our friendly moderators and you're gone my friend... Improper behavior...

1."I've been here 2 and a half years" Don't be stupid. Just because youve been here long doesn't mean anything or how much you know, it just means that you don't have a life.

2. "I know better than you" Of course you do, he's a lakers nut-rider.

3."despite what you say and shout" He hasn't shouted anything, he typed it, you moron

by **Jay-Will** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:23 am

Tales wrote:Well, for a variety of reasons... Do you allow me to say two of them? If you don't, I will say the same way... One, I've been here for 2 and a half years... I know better than you, despite what you say and shout... Two... I can warn one of our friendly moderators and you're gone my friend... Improper behavior...

ive been here 2 years :cry:

just shut up i know more than you when it comes to the nba so just shut up also you think i will cry cause they take me off the forum boo hoo hoo! and sliccat is right you dont got a LIFE at all cause if you where here for 2 1/2 years you really dont have a LIFE like i said. so when you try to come at me like that again you will know to leave me the fuck alone. O yeah and one more thing MINE YOUR OWN BUSINESS! P.S HAVE A NICE DAY! :lol:

by **Matthew** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:38 am

lol.. what can i say? You (carmelo) post more about telling people to shut the fuck up (heh

) than you do your opinions. Sad cunt :cool:

Sorry bourbon, i didnt realise you posted in the middle of those flames. Who is the best shooting guard imo? I'd take Iverson (more ppg, spg and apg) or carter (very similar stats, but Carter is the guy opposing teams focus on, something kobe hasnt had to deal with this season), Tmac (Higher ppg, apg and rpb... and i know his team has struggled, but whats the lakers record without shaq/malone this year? i think thats a fairer comparison even tho the lakers still have gary payton, and tmac has tyronne lue who is a superstar- just so you know, im being sarcastic

). Also I'd take Paul Pierce. Same as tmac, more ppg, more rpg and apg. Plus he is doing it with a boston team who dont seem to have a whole lot of direction, alot of new faces.. so teams familiar with the celtics put alot of pressure on him yet he still carries them

by **sliccat** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:38 am

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:lol.. what can i say? You (carmelo) post more about telling people to shut the fuck up (heh ) than you do your opinions. Sad cunt
Sorry bourbon, i didnt realise you posted in the middle of those flames. Who is the best shooting guard imo? I'd take Iverson (more ppg, spg and apg) or carter (very similar stats, but Carter is the guy opposing teams focus on, something kobe hasnt had to deal with this season), Tmac (Higher ppg, apg and rpb... and i know his team has struggled, but whats the lakers record without shaq/malone this year? i think thats a fairer comparison even tho the lakers still have gary payton, and tmac has tyronne lue who is a superstar- just so you know, im being sarcastic ). Also I'd take Paul Pierce. Same as tmac, more ppg, more rpg and apg. Plus he is doing it with a boston team who dont seem to have a whole lot of direction, alot of new faces.. so teams familiar with the celtics put alot of pressure on him yet he still carries them

lol, but I'd pick Iverson, because he's had horrible teamates, and they've all gotten better thanks to him. Everybody credits Larry Brown with Eric Snow's and Aaron Mckie's carrers blossoming, but he's gone and they're still just as good. Also, the main difference between him and Kobe, MJ, or Isiah are Scottie Pippen, Shaq, Dennis Rodman, Toni Kucoc, Bill Lambier, etc. Three of those(on three of those championship teams) are or should be on the top 50 players of all time list. AI's gone to the finals with his second best player being Dikembe Mutombo, who was good, but nowhere near the level of Chicago's third best player(Dennis Rodman) and probably not as good as the fourth was(Toni Kucoc). If you give AI a player as good as Shaq, Scottie, or Dennis - and the Big Dog isn't - I guarantee you he'll be right back into the finals.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:50 am

slicat wrote:lol, but I'd pick Iverson, because he's had horrible teamates, and they've all gotten better thanks to him. Everybody credits Larry Brown with Eric Snow's and Aaron Mckie's carrers blossoming, but he's gone and they're still just as good. Also, the main difference between him and Kobe, MJ, or Isiah are Scottie Pippen, Shaq, Dennis Rodman, Toni Kucoc, Bill Lambier, etc. Three of those(on three of those championship teams) are or should be on the top 50 players of all time list. AI's gone to the finals with his second best player being Dikembe Mutombo, who was good, but nowhere near the level of Chicago's third best player(Dennis Rodman) and probably not as good as the fourth was(Toni Kucoc). If you give AI a player as good as Shaq, Scottie, or Dennis - and the Big Dog isn't - I guarantee you he'll be right back into the finals.

Well the reason Iverson has had "horrible" team mates is because he demands the ball and is unable to play with any other All-Star. The Sixers were built to compliment Iverson, therefore they wanted role players and unegotistical guys that would allow him to blossom.

Everybody credits Larry Brown with Eric Snow's and Aaron Mckie's carrers blossoming, but he's gone and they're still just as good

Well Larry Brown blossomed their careers, him leaving doesn't mean they'd suddenly forget everything he has taught them.

by **sliccat** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:57 am

fgrep15 wrote:Well the reason Iverson has had "horrible" team mates is because he demands the ball and is unable to play with any other All-Star. The Sixers were built to compliment Iverson, therefore they wanted role players and unegotistical guys that would allow him to blosso

Yes, 6.0 apg absolutely proves he is selfish(sarcasm). And the Olympic team when he always hogged the ball and nobody else scored(sarcasm). Or the Allstar game when he shot a horrible percentage of 57% on 35 points(sarcasm) or KVH's ppg going up last year(sarcasm). Or the 4 other players on the sixers getting 10 or more ppg and one at 9.5(Coleman)(sarcasm). And you're point is proved by the fact that they didn't go out and get Glenn Robinson, a 2-time allstar.(Let me think... sarcasm)

Well Larry Brown blossomed their careers, him leaving doesn't mean they'd suddenly forget everything he has taught them.

Actually, that's a very good point, but don't think for a minute that AI has nothing to do with it.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:13 am

sliccat wrote:Yes, 6.0 apg absolutely proves he is selfish(sarcasm). And the Olympic team when he always hogged the ball and nobody else scored(sarcasm). Or the Allstar game when he shot a horrible percentage of 57% on 35 points(sarcasm) or KVH's ppg going up last year(sarcasm). Or the 4 other players on the sixers getting 10 or more ppg and one at 9.5(Coleman)(sarcasm). And you're point is proved by the fact that they didn't go out and get Glenn Robinson, a 2-time allstar.(Let me think... sarcasm)

Van Horn's scoring went up b/c his last year in NJ was horrible, he still wasn't near his career average and look, its gone up this year. He also had a career high fg%, he actually only took 12.8 shots a game and the previous year in NJ took 13.4 shots a game.

What happened, to Stackhouse and Larry Hughes. AllStar game? who plays defense in the AllStar game. Iverson can't work that well with others that also demand the ball, I never used the word "selfish" and wasn't implying that, I just said he's a guy that needs the ball in his hands, and can't play well with other players that require that. Glenn Robinson doesn't need the ball in his hands, or does he?

The coach had a plan; always has. When Brown arrived in Philly, he realized he had to surround Iverson with lunch-pail players, which meant Derrick Coleman, Jerry Stackhouse, Tim Thomas and Larry Hughes all had to go. Brown seemed reactionary and power-starved, but what he did was give Iverson the cocoon he needed. The new acquisitions were Aaron McKie, Theo Ratliff (later sacrificed for Mutombo), Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill and George Lynch, and it wasn't their nature to gripe for the ball. They'd do the dirty work, Iverson the scoring. Brown convinced him if he gave up being point guard, if he simply let go of the ball, he'd get it back tenfold. He gave Allen a great gift: freedom.

If you yank him from the game, cover your ears. Brown, who normally spreads playing time around, has given Iverson more minutes than any player he's ever coached. But Iverson still whines. "Every time I take him out now, he gets upset," Brown says. "Even this year against Golden State. He'd just dislocated his shoulder five days earlier, and it was his first game back, and I took him out, and I hear, 'If I'd known I'd be sitting on the bench, I wouldn't have come back tonight.' I mean, he was playing 40-something minutes and saying this. But I go through this every game."

by **DipSetVC** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:22 am

fgrep15 wrote:What happened, to Stackhouse and Larry Hughes.

Don't forget Toni Kukoc, Keith Van Horn and Matt Harpring.

by **sliccat** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:22 am

fgrep15 wrote:
Van Horn's scoring went up b/c his last year in NJ was horrible, he still wasn't near his career average and look, its gone up this year. He also had a career high fg%, he actually only took 12.8 shots a game and the previous year in NJ took 13.4 shots a game.

What happened, to Stackhouse and Larry Hughes. AllStar game? who plays defense in the AllStar game. Iverson can't work that well with others that also demand the ball, I never used the word "selfish" and wasn't implying that, I just said he's a guy that needs the ball in his hands, and can't play well with other players that require that. Glenn Robinson doesn't need the ball in his hands, or does he?

1.Van Horn's scoring has gone up this year because NY is horrible. He can't get his career avgs on a winning team, and he did better with AI than J-Kidd. That should tell you something

2. What happened to Larry Huges? He played a couple years with a bad team(GS) then was benched for Tyronne Lue.

3. Yes, Glenn needs the ball in a half court set to score. That would be why "he isn't the type of player AI needs." Who said that? Oh wait, I did! He needs a player like Ron Artest or Richard Jefferson, who can score when needed to and step back. Toni Kucoc, Glenn Robinson, KVH, and Jerry Stackhouse aren't that type of player. ANd none of them can play defense.

Don't forget Toni Kukoc, Keith Van Horn and Matt Harpring.

Kucoc got benched on a bad team, KVH did good on another bad team, and Matt Harpring... well 2/3 is still better than AI's shooting percentage, so there.

by **Dramacydal** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:18 am

man, ive only been away for a week or something and when i come back there are even more sick motherfuckers here than befo...oh, and yall should remeber this thread is about AI and his comeback from the injury so dont start a flame war n shit because of some things that are way off topic :roll:

by **fgrep15** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:21 am

sliccat wrote:1.Van Horn's scoring has gone up this year because NY is horrible. He can't get his career avgs on a winning team, and he did better with AI than J-Kidd. That should tell you something

He couldn't make shots on NJ??.......the style of play NJ had didn't fit his game? Iverson of course took pressure of him, but did he have pressure on him in NJ?

2. What happened to Larry Huges? He played a couple years with a bad team(GS) then was benched for Tyronne Lue.

Hughes is not a PG, stupid idea by Washington, I meant what happend to him on Philly not in Washington, he's working well with Arenas (why did u have to get injured).

Yes, Glenn needs the ball in a half court set to score. That would be why "he isn't the type of player AI needs." Who said that? Oh wait, I did! He needs a player like Ron Artest or Richard Jefferson, who can score when needed to and step back. Toni Kucoc, Glenn Robinson, KVH, and Jerry Stackhouse aren't that type of player. ANd none of them can play defense.

Very true, all very bad defenders, and all unable to live with mediocre roles on a team, but isn't that what i've been saying, they moved them out b/c of Iverson, and his inability to play with someone that also slightly demands the ball. (Except Kukoc though, I think he was just shipped so they could get Mutombo)

Don't say Ron Artest,

Artest had been complaining for weeks about the team's slow style of play and shouted at the coaches during a game against Minnesota to get him the ball more often. On Saturday he started flinging up wild three-pointers in an apparent protest.

Philly has won 2 in a row though but need to go on a nice winning streak to get up to at least 5th. They are 3 games behind Milwauke who is currently at 5th.

Iverson return likely monday

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