Kings/Stojakovic/Divac/Webber

Just thought I'd combine several things related in the same topic:

Stojakovic: Has been kicking some ass, averaging 24 points, 5 boards and 2.whatever assists, shooting 50% from the field, 42% from down town and 92% from the line as the main man on the Kings.
Would everybody consider him as one of the NBA's elite now? I know some questions need to be answered come playoff time.

Divac: Played pretty well today (26 pts, 7 assists against Blazers) and has been playing well all season, with 12ppg. Divac and Miller have combined as the best passing front court in the league, so I thought I'd give Divac a shoutout since he continues to be a solid contributor at age 35. His team play and unselfishness has certainly rubbed off on Brad Miller. Miller has been solid statistically, even better than solid, and I like to think that 'The Bearded' one has had some effect on his development.

Webber: Does anyone know what's going on with Chris Webber and how far off he is from returning? I saw an article on ESPN which disappeared before I got to read it and got to thinking about C-Webb. He has had a history of injuries throughout his career, legal troubles, and playoff failures - chocking so to speak at times. His talent is undeniable, but I'm thinking, do you guys think it might be time for the Kings to deal him?

Right now they are one game behind the Lakers (or Rapers if you prefer) for the league's best record and this, along with the their two big men dishing out plenty of assists, a reasonably well balanced scoring attack (Stojakovic not included) and their most important players shooting in the range of 45-50% from the field would suggest a team with great chemistry, a fairly cohesive unit which shares the ball and hits the open man. So... do they really need Chris Webber?

They're winning without him.
Webber has been injured often
Has been in the league 10 years and will be 31 soon.
Has been among the great PF's when playing but hasn't really accomplished much.

Once Divac retires after this year, that leaves Webber and Miller up front. Perhaps the Kings could deal him for a young relatively talented forward such as Marcus Fizer + whoever else. Perhaps Orlando would give them Howard and someone else + a first rounder? I know salaries need to be matched. It is early to be looking at the next draft, but this could be an advantage for the Kings.
Doug Christie, Tony Massenburg and Divac are old. A guy like Fizer might not fit in because he might be too selfish, but Howard (though around Webbers age) is a good passer and you could get a pick too and some other talent from Orlando. I'm aware that you're giving up a lot in Webber.

Just some suggestions/ramblings, if you have objections/or suggestions please share!

Man I wouldnt trade Webber. The Kings are playing well now without him, and I cant put Chris in the same class as kobe in terms of distractions. Its not like he raped a girl or he pisses his teamates off... Peja is playing fantastic I have to admit, and same with Vlade and Brad Miller. I just think when Webber returns, the Kings will just toy with their opponents. How can they stop an inside game of Webber, Vlade/Miller with shooters like Bibby and Peja outside? In 3 or 4 years, maybe the kings should deal him, but right now webber makes the Kings the best team in the league imo. He had a look in his eye similar to what I had seen in zo in 2000 when he went nuts and was the second best player that year (behind shaq), so a determined webber makes the kings > rapers

It will be a very interesting matchup, whenever it is. Hope Malone is back and so is Webber, I would love to see these two teams in full power going at each other.

Man I wouldnt trade Webber. The Kings are playing well now without him, and I cant put Chris in the same class as kobe in terms of distractions. Its not like he raped a girl or he pisses his teamates off... Peja is playing fantastic I have to admit, and same with Vlade and Brad Miller. I just think when Webber returns, the Kings will just toy with their opponents. How can they stop an inside game of Webber, Vlade/Miller with shooters like Bibby and Peja outside? In 3 or 4 years, maybe the kings should deal him, but right now webber makes the Kings the best team in the league imo. He had a look in his eye similar to what I had seen in zo in 2000 when he went nuts and was the second best player that year (behind shaq), so a determined webber makes the kings > rapers

Yeah with Webber they should be terrific. Perhaps I have underestimated his value... I'm also thinking about the injuries, how this latest one will affect him, and his market value also. And if they did deal him, it wouldn't have to be now, but in the offseason, depending of course on how well he recovers and how the playoffs go. As long as they don't trade him for Antoine Walker (Sorry dude, hehe)

Hope Malone is back and so is Webber, I would love to see these two teams in full power going at each other.

Possibly the best/most interesting series ever! The rivalry between the two clubs is awesome, and you add to that Malone who has also battled the Kings in recent years and it shouldn't disappoint.

I don't think webber is a great big man b/c I just don't see him as a guy you can go to down the stretch and expect to produce......but he's good just not an elite big man....and he also can't dominate in the post like Shaq, KG and Duncan

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Perhaps the Kings could deal him for a young relatively talented forward such as Marcus Fizer + whoever else. Perhaps Orlando would give them Howard and someone else + a first rounder? I know salaries need to be matched. It is early to be looking at the next draft, but this could be an advantage for the Kings.

Hmm Kings could trade for Zach Randolph using Webber. Zach's been getting 25 and 11 almost every night, very consistant player, and YOUNG. will only get better, would be interesting to see him in sac-town i reckon.

Perhaps the Kings could deal him for a young relatively talented forward such as Marcus Fizer + whoever else. Perhaps Orlando would give them Howard and someone else + a first rounder? I know salaries need to be matched. It is early to be looking at the next draft, but this could be an advantage for the Kings.

Hmm Kings could trade for Zach Randolph using Webber Zach's been getting 25 and 11 almost every night, very consistant player, and YOUNG. will only get better, would be interesting to see him in sac-town i reckon.

I don't think many GM's would do that, they know what young and full of potential is and aren't going to trade a guy that can perform just as well (without the passing and defense) but is much younger and has more years left on his belt and the contracts wouldn't match since Randolph is still in his rookie contract which can be extended this year.

Chris Webber should be traded? probably the most stupid thing i've read since i got here (besides numerous things written by 2 posters at this forum).

Webber is the third best power forward in the NBA today (Duncan, Garnett). and the kings will only get better when he gets back....you'll be looking at the team that will be NBA champions in 2004

btw Sven, what happened to having tales in your av? did you forget about him or what?

i think the kings are preparing for the worst case scenario--if webber is injured in the playoffs again. last year's loss of webber in the playoffs is prolly the reason they didn't reach the finals. i don't doubt webber's ability come playoff time but in the last few years he's been sidelined by that ankle injury so i think the kings are trying to find a way to win without him. in the beginning of last season peja was injured and if memory serves me the kings played well without him so if peja's injured again they pretty much got that covered. now this year the kings are doing whatever they can to assure loss of webber will not affect them in the playoffs. (but mike bibby also seems to have an injury of some sort......)

well Webber is also a good passer...and i'd say he has 1 or 2 years left in him...so let him use up his years...then trade him when he is going downhill slightly and maybe other teams wouldn't notice...and as Nick said trading for Randolph is a very good idea...but i don't think Blazer is gonna do it...cuz i think they might let Wallace go after this year and let Randolph be their full time power foward....

Before everyone decides the Kings are the team to beat let's evaluate their played games. With the exception of the overtime victory in Minnesota, and a three point win over the Pacers at home, the Kings are running thin on wins over quality opponents. They've yet to play the LA Takers (figured i'd have a little fun with it too ), the Spurs or the team that sent them packing the Mavs which combined with the Kings made up the big four of last year. Not saying they're not playing great basketball right now, but they've been playing great before without Chris and when he got back they didn't become unstoppable. Not to mention like Karl, Chris is a waste of space in the clutch. I do want them to go deep in the playoffs though because I want to see a Kings/Lakers rematch as much as anybody else. Hopefully this year they won't try to poison my boy Kobe "Bitch, you know what I want!" Bryant's room service food so they can even the odds.

You have got to be Kobe's personal homie back in da hood...I dont see any other possible explanation as to how it is you know that Sac-Town poisned his food.

Im surprised you didn't pin the whole food poisening thing on Faber...

Why do you take everything I say literally? If I'm not giving stats, I most likely joking.

I don't think webber is a great big man b/c I just don't see him as a guy you can go to down the stretch and expect to produce......but he's good just not an elite big man....and he also can't dominate in the post like Shaq, KG and Duncan

I disagree. Webber is a much better scorer in the post than kg. Kevin Garnett is more versatile, but when it comes to scoring C-Webb is alot better, especially posting up. Plus his jumpshot is smoother and more consistant. Tim Duncan, yep you're right about this one, he is a better scorer. But like Shaq, Duncan doesn't have the outside shooters that Webber has on his team, so teams can zone against the Rapers and Spurs, which makes Webber that all the more dangerous

btw Sven, what happened to having tales in your av? did you forget about him or what?

You don't exactly have him in your avatar either, so I guess if you live in a glass house you cant throw stones?

Before everyone decides the Kings are the team to beat let's evaluate their played games. With the exception of the overtime victory in Minnesota, and a three point win over the Pacers at home, the Kings are running thin on wins over quality opponents.

Thats true, but they are winning without their best player (or at least most important).

They've yet to play the LA Takers (figured i'd have a little fun with it too ), the Spurs or the team that sent them packing the Mavs which combined with the Kings made up the big four of last year.

The Mavs got real lucky last season according to Nick Van (steve) Erkel. As I mentioned earlier, the outside shooting of the Kings puts them over the Lakers and Spurs imo, becuase teams really cant play zone on them...

But like Shaq, Duncan doesn't have the outside shooters that Webber has on his team

what about Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, Hedo Turkoglu, Robert Horry...even Parker has a three point shot now...

I disagree. Webber is a much better scorer in the post than kg. Kevin Garnett is more versatile, but when it comes to scoring C-Webb is alot better, especially posting up. Plus his jumpshot is smoother and more consistant. Tim Duncan, yep you're right about this one, he is a better scorer. But like Shaq, Duncan doesn't have the outside shooters that Webber has on his team, so teams can zone against the Rapers and

i dunno man back to the basket you might be right webber is better, he has a sick hook, but webber thinks his mid range game is better than it actually is, i think KG's mid game is better and KG is the only consistent ft shooter in the bunch

Ill do the list:

Timmy: great Fundementals and little beastlikeness (brute force)
Shaq: power and good beastlikeness, who needs fundamentals when you can kill everyone
Webber: good fundamentals, prett good atheleticism, and some beast likeness
KG: okay fundametals than Cwebb, great atheleticism and beastlikeness

Like I said, Duncan does not have the same quality of shooters around him that Webber has (or will have when he returns). Peja right now is probably the best 3 point shooter in the league right now...

i dunno man back to the basket you might be right webber is better, he has a sick hook, but webber thinks his mid range game is better than it actually is, i think KG's mid game is better and KG is the only consistent ft shooter in the bunch

Ill do the list:

Timmy: great Fundementals and little beastlikeness (brute force)
Shaq: power and good beastlikeness, who needs fundamentals when you can kill everyone
Webber: good fundamentals, prett good atheleticism, and some beast likeness
KG: okay fundametals than Cwebb, great atheleticism and beastlikeness

I agree with all that except for the midrange game, i think C webbs is better..

Pedja is Sacramento's top player now, when Webber returns he will be the best sidekick in the league...however Pedja alone is not equal to the shooters Duncan has around him, Bibby is more effective off the pick-and-roll than catching and shooting off the the side of the post...Jackson and Christie's three shooting is streaky and Peeler can either shoot the lights out or fade...I think they're equal to the Spurs corps...especially considering how much better Duncan is than Webber...

I think Peja is equal to those players you mentioned. The other guys are just mere role players, where Peja is a focal point for the opposing team to shut down (or attempt to).

Exactly, that's why the Spurs sharpshooters are deadlier...they'll be taking wideopen shots.

Regardless, the Kings offense is so stellar and their defense is still great and I don't see anyone stopping them once Webber gets back...

The Queens really need Webber. They are playing great but with the hopes of his return.

That reminds me the Knicks few years back for their great playoff run. They played so great without Ewing that many thought they didn't need him, of course they needed him but Layden was that stupid to think Camby would handle the job for 82 games.

Exactly, that's why the Spurs sharpshooters are deadlier...they'll be taking wideopen shots.

But that doesnt mean they are better shooters... Also, if defenders are guarding and focusing in on peja and the kings otuside shooting, like i said before, that opens things up for Cwebb even more and alows him to work one on one inside.

Chris Webber should be traded? probably the most stupid thing i've read since i got here (besides numerous things written by 2 posters at this forum).

Webber is the third best power forward in the NBA today (Duncan, Garnett). and the kings will only get better when he gets back....you'll be looking at the team that will be NBA champions in 2004

btw Sven, what happened to having tales in your av? did you forget about him or what?

Chris Webber is not the third best power forward in the league this year. He hasn't played a game yet, and when he returns you never know how the injury will effect him. Chances are he could reinjure himself again because hey... he's Chris Webber!

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