Paul Pierce will win the MVP & other predictions.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

This is not just excited talk from the win over Dallas.

If you know me, you know I do understand exactly what I am saying here, meaning I understand how bold of a statement it may appear to be and how early it is.

There are a couple of things that must happen and a couple that must not happen, but I believe it will be The Truth.

Allen Iverson must not lead the Sixers to 50 wins or win the Atlantic Divison by more than a couple of games over Boston.

No team like Utah or Denver can win 50 games or win the Midwest division or Carmelo Anthony or Andrei Kirilenko could win the MVP.

If Minnesota blows up in any way whatsoever, KG locks it down, no player in the NBA does more than Garnett. Period.

San Antonio must win 60 or 65 games for Duncan to do it again, the system and coach might start getting credit, which is wildly off the mark, without Duncan San Antonio wins 15-20 games, but they would hand the award over to a player other than Duncan if they match him with leadership and putting their team on their back like him. [ie Pierce, AI]

Pierce leads Boston the Atlantic Division Title, leads his team in minutes, points, rebounds, assists and steals, then he can pull of the MVP. I think he's alone out there, this trade for Ricky Davis lends more to my case, this fucking clown Ricky Davis better play like Richard Hamilton and that ain't much, but if he can create and score this will help Paul go for six or seven assists, he's gonna get 8 boards or maybe even 9. Right now I would put him against Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter or whatever shooting guard you like, this includes Iverson, who steals the ball, but doesn't rebound and shoots too bad, too often, this latest injury could really keep his votes down.

Upon further review I believe Carmelo Anthony wins the Rookie of the Year, LeBron can go for 4 more assists and Melo will go for 1st Round playoff series, it's going to be hard find anyone to vote for a player on a team that can't win, I strongly suggest Cleveland completes the overhaul and offers Illgauskas to Dallas for Antawn Jamison or see if Portland would swap Rasheed Wallace, at some point this team has to think about LeBron 2 or 3 years from now, they certainly can't believe that at that point Z will be effective or be so naive to believe this latest trade will solve any problems, they need a big man that can take the ball inside and can defend the basket and put some dunks down. Jamison can play power forward style at SF, with Boozer helping him they can conduct themselves as a real team, look at Chris Anderson, Nene and Camby in Denver, this allows Melo to be the man with much less pressure.

This is why the Los Angeles Lakers will not win an NBA title:

The bench is shit, absolute bullshit. Someone should inform Phil Jackson that Horace Grant was released by Orlando, Rick Fox will never be Rick Fox again, even if he could, that's not much help anyway, Byron Russell has never done anything in his career to make a difference, players like Kareem Rush, Slava and Pargo have never been asked to, nor could they hold down the fort for even a few minutes. Mix this in with Gary Payton and Karl Malone's ages, Kobe's distraction is such that I beleive they will win a few extra games just so Kobe doesn't have to start thinking about his trial, but it's crazy to believe this will not distract him endlessly, around playoff time the media will be so in his face he will feel like Michael Jordan for real, although no doubt he can't deliver like Air. When D.George is really hot he becomes average at best, I don't see anyone doing what Robert Horry and Mark Madsen did like the little things, this type of hustle and clutch shooting is not an element among anyone other than Kobe. The biggest thing they have on everyone is Shaq, but somehow with Karl and Kobe getting theirs, and if Gary Payton continues to ignore instruction from Phil Jackson he may end up being shipped out before the trade deadline, I have no idea if this is possible or what, but I know if you ignore Phil Jackson, you will not play.
This team is not even close to any of the 3 previous championship teams, Karl Malone has never shown one spec of understanding what it takes to knockdown a clutch shot, in 1997 I nicknamed him "the Tinman" because he is built like him and he has no heart. [by the way, all of Phil Jackson's titles are a credit to always having two of the five players in the NBA, he showed everyone his genius in 1994 and managed to lose to a San Antonio team with only one player as good as his two, did I mention the Lakers had Shaquille O'Neal, the most dominating big man maybe ever by many experts and without any doubt the best scoring guard in the NBA and managed to lose to San Antonio?]

Why Jeff Van Gundy will ask for a divorce from Steve Francis:
Yao Ming needs the ball.

Antoine Walker will ruin all chances Dallas has to win, you see he is so hot and cold and Don Nelson is so hard-headed he will let what worked get away from him, which was letting Steve Nash handle the ball and let Dirk Nowtizki do the majority of the shooting. Letting Walker do "his thang" will fuck them over to no end, I promise this, I have wanted him dead more than I was glad he was around, I would have tried to get more for him, which obviously Ainge tried to do, but like most people I have heard talk on the subject, they all fail to realize/understand no one wanted 'Toine.

Detroit must get a more skilled point guard who is not so forceful and a shooting guard that is more forceful and less skillful, or "sweet and smooth", just tough like say Bonzi Wells, who was there if they wanted him. I think Detroit should offer Memo Okur, Richard Hamilton, Corliss Williamson and Chauncey Billups to Houston for Steve Francis, Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley.

With Nick Van Exel and Jason Richardson healthy, the Warriors could be the sleeper in the west, Mike Dunleavy is growing like a weed, Erick Dampier is so series this year he could lead the NBA in rebounding, Brian Cardinal is the hardest working ditch-digger in the NBA.

Did Portland really trade Bonzi Wells for Wesley Person and a 1st Round pick, although when this trade went down I didn't believe it was so good but only because the pick could have lottery implications, but it's clear that Memphis is getting into the playoffs. So this trade was not so good, I wonder how many tears Maurice Cheeks had to shed to get this done, by the way Boston offered either Tony Battie or Eric Williams for him and Portland declined, if Memphis makes the playoffs and their pick is in the mid 20s, this trade was a blunder.

more to come.....

[Matt]

think Detroit should offer Memo Okur, Richard Hamilton, Corliss Williamson and Chauncey Billups to Houston for Steve Francis, Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley.

Joe D wouldn't agree to this trade. All those guys are the teams future, well maybe not Willy. Besides who would wanna take Griffin? Francis also has some injury problems and the Pistons have already established a core group of guys, any serious messing around such as the trade you have suggested could screw the teams chemistry. Oh, and I believe that Okur will be a real good player

[.]

The bench is shit, absolute bullshit. Someone should inform Phil Jackson that Horace Grant was released by Orlando, Rick Fox will never be Rick Fox again, even if he could, that's not much help anyway, Byron Russell has never done anything in his career to make a difference, players like Kareem Rush, Slava and Pargo have never been asked to, nor could they hold down the fort for even a few minutes. Mix this in with Gary Payton and Karl Malone's ages, Kobe's distraction is such that I beleive they will a few extra games just so Kobe doesn't have to start thinking about his trial, but it's crazy to believe this will not distract him endlessly, around playoff time the media will be so in his face he will feel like Michael Jordan for real, although no doubt he can't deliver like Air. When D.George is really hot he becomes average at best, I don't see anyone doing what Robert Horry and Mark Madsen did like the little things, this type of hustle and clutch shooting is not an element among anyone other than Kobe. The biggest thing they have on everyone is Shaq, but somehow with Karl and Kobe getting theirs, and if Gary Payton continues to ignore instruction from Phil Jackson he may end up being shipped out before the trade deadline, I have no idea if this is possible or what, but I know if you ignore Phil Jackson, you will not play.
This team is not even close to any of the 3 previous championship teams, Karl Malone has never shown one spec of understanding what it takes to knockdown a clutch shot, in 1997 I nicknamed him "the Tinman" because he is built like him and he has no heart. [by the way, all of Phil Jackson's titles are a credit to always having two of the five players in the NBA, he showed everyone his genius in 1994 and managed to lose to a San Antonio team with only one player as good as his two, did I mention the Lakers had Shaquille O'Neal, the most dominating big man maybe ever by many experts and without any doubt the best scoring guard in the NBA and managed to lose to San Antonio?]

First of all, Their bench IS NOT SHIT! They avarage 30,4 ppg (of the 102.2 total), maybe not that much comparing this with the starting lineup, but its hard to imagine to have more points with 4 future hall of famers. Rick Fox will never be Rick Fox again? how do you know? do you have locker room cards or something? are you a friend of him? I doubt it, judge untill he comes back, not assume these things at this moment. Bryon Russell is 1 of the best players in the NBA who will take the charge, hes always willing to offer his body (no homo) to get charging foul on the offensive player, he plays good D, shoots over .440% from downtown, he does not make a difference maybe, but if you compare the bench with the starting line-up....what players CAN make a difference from the bench? I dont really like Kareem Rush and Jannero Pargo how they have been playing, I agree that these are not impact making players. But Slava, he can knock down 10+ points on any night, he shoots .600% from the field, avarages 3.3 rebounds and 4,7 points per game in 18 minutes, thats not that bad at all. I dont know what you mean about Kobe: "Kobe's distraction is such that I beleive they will a few extra games just so Kobe doesn't have to start thinking about his trial" . Devean George a avarage player when hes hot?. Ok, hes the 5th option on his team right? plays 30 mpg and avarages 10.4 ppg on .503% shooting (12th in the league behind mostly Big guys). Maybe in your eyes thats avarage when you are the last option, in my eyes its not.
Why should Karl Malone knock down a clutch shot? I think Kobe, Derek and Devean are better then him at that, theres no need for Karl to do that.

[Shep]

my prediction: you won't be showing your face around here at the conclusion of the playoffs because none of your predictions have come true

[Stevan]

great thread

before I go on, is there anything else you wanna say Mike? Let it all out man, maybe you missed something?

great stuff

[showstopper496]

Buahhahahahaahhaha
i really enjoy boston fans cry after new jersey sweeps them in the playoffs. Its funny to see PIERCE CRY after JEFFERSON harrasses him!!!!!! BUBHBHBHBHBBUHHAAAA!!!! One Question. Who is going to stop KMART in the playoffs? MIMH???????? hahahahahahahahahahah. Dont worry boston we might not face each other in playoff because raptors are going to kill you in the first round!!!!!!! haahahahhahaahah!!!! YOU SUCK!!!hahahaahaha

[DipSetVC]

my prediction: you won't be showing your face around here at the conclusion of the playoffs because none of your predictions have come true

LMAO!!! Pierce for MVP? When was the last time a guy who lead the NBA in turnovers with 103 so far this year won the MVP? Ohhh man paul_pierce_the_truth, I always respect your comments and opinions but this IS just excited talk from the win against Dallas.

[air gordon]

good stuff p2truth...

rick fox will.. oh nevermind, i shouldn't bother.


LAL has been waiting for a year for devean george to play this way. players like buechler, kerr, hansen, scott williams, luc longley, etc had their best years when they were on the bulls. they knew how to play off of those 2 hall of famers. george has 4 at his disposal. what he's accomplised so far is not worth soiling your shorts over

and remember-when those other guys moved on to other teams, they were exposed and with the exception of buechler, they're stats went down. i suspect the same will happen with george if the opportunity were to present itself.

td and the spurs appear to have their act together, but i think KG will edge him out for mvp this time

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

my prediction: you won't be showing your face around here at the conclusion of the playoffs because none of your predictions have come true

LMAO!!! Pierce for MVP? When was the last time a guy who lead the NBA in turnovers with 103 so far this year won the MVP? Ohhh man paul_pierce_the_truth, I always respect your comments and opinions but this IS just excited talk from the win against Dallas.

Many MVP winners have been near the top of the turnover list, such as Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Moses Malone and Tim Duncan.

Duncan had 248 turnovers at power forward and Jason Kidd had 296 while having the ball in his hands more than anyone, yet in no way was this something that stopped Duncan from getting the MVP.

Jason Kidd was the leader in 2001 and second by 3 to Steve Francis last season, when you constantly have the ball it makes sense you will have turnovers, no one else on Boston has the ball as much as Pierce, also consider that Pierce has two or three players in his shirt and it's not that easy to get out with a clean shot or pass. Allen Iverson averages as many turnovers as Pierce, I suppose you wouldn't consider him an MVP candidate either?

[fgrep15]

i don't think Pdouble win win MVP b/c yea he leads his team in all those stats but Mihm is going to take over the boards amd Pierce is good but not dominant and the MVP is picked during the playoffs so it depends how far Boston goes, I think its gonna go to KG or to Duncan again b/c you know KG and TD won't let their teams go down the drain, i don't think Ivy can do it but The Baron??....Carmelo will NOT win MVP no matter how well Denver does (to an extent), Bzdelik could win coach of the year, melo is the man on the team but Andre, Nene (the beast) even Voshon and Camby(defensive stopper) are helping him and they run the ball and have a bench that can run (Boykins, Barry, Andersen)

The Lakers bench is not bad but not great either, with Fox i think its a little better, and Fisher and Slavo can hold their own, BUT if you play a running game against the lakers in a 7 game series i don't know how they will survive, they have superstar players but dallas i think could beat them if they force them to play run and gun with them, cause when dallas' bench comes in, its Jamison, Delk and Josh Howard and the lakers bench can't match that, but if the lakers control the tempo they can't be stopped.

The warriors have the good old paper talent, they look good on paper but can't produce, kinda like the Clippers Jaric, Maggette, Richardson, Brand, Kaman not bad, and then Wilcox is a great sixth man to have but they aren't gonna win that much.

The trade you proposed that i could see happening is the dallas for Z, but then again, Z can't run the floor, if they could get Dan Gadzuric, a Center with the speed of a guard that is a blocking machine and a beast on the baords then they could be set but Millwauke isn't dumb.

The Detroit one doesn't make sense to me, Detroit has one of or the highest scoring backcourts in the league and you want Yao to get the ball so u get guys in the backcourt that score even more??? and then Griffin?, a power forward who camps outside all day, is in trouble right now and shoots in the high 30's to low 40's from the field, yea he can block but i don't think so. And Dumars would not even think of it

For Cleveland its not like they're going anywhere, so they'll be in the loterry and can just draft a center......ive said Melo ROY since the beginning

yea Turnovers has nothing to do with it, when you are a star and get double teamed etc, and have the ball in you hands a lot you'll get T.O its a given, there are players that are stars that know how to limit the t.o's (GP) but not every player can

[DipSetVC]

my prediction: you won't be showing your face around here at the conclusion of the playoffs because none of your predictions have come true

LMAO!!! Pierce for MVP? When was the last time a guy who lead the NBA in turnovers with 103 so far this year won the MVP? Ohhh man paul_pierce_the_truth, I always respect your comments and opinions but this IS just excited talk from the win against Dallas.

Many MVP winners have been near the top of the turnover list, such as Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Moses Malone and Tim Duncan.

Duncan had 248 turnovers at power forward and Jason Kidd had 296 while having the ball in his hands more than anyone, yet in no way was this something that stopped Duncan from getting the MVP.

Jason Kidd was the leader in 2001 and second by 3 to Steve Francis last season, when you constantly have the ball it makes sense you will have turnovers, no one else on Boston has the ball as much as Pierce, also consider that Pierce has two or three players in his shirt and it's not that easy to get out with a clean shot or pass. Allen Iverson averages as many turnovers as Pierce, I suppose you wouldn't consider him an MVP candidate either?

I see what your saying man, and don't get me wrong as usual you have great points , but I just don't see Pierce winning MVP, ever. He's a great player in his own right but he can't single-handedly lead a team deep into the playoffs as Duncan did last year. The last two years he's had 'Toine at his side as the Celts have made it to the East Final and the East Semis respectively. Pierce still has alot of help recently as Welsch and James have been playing lights out ball, we'll see what happens this year in the playoffs with the Celts, I just hope Ricky "Team Poison" Davis doesn't mess them up.

[air gordon]

the mvp is handed out during the playoffs but the votes are based on regular season performance

are you serious, fgrep, with that GS paper talent statement? same with LAC, unless you are referring to the 2002 clippers. i don't think one user on this forum said GS would be a playoff contender after the offseason they had. IMO, it's amazing that the warriors have been playing this well despite injuries to murphy, foyle, and van exel. eric dampier, brian cardinal, robinson, chaney, claxton... good paper talent?!

[fgrep15]

good not great or nething they seemed like a team that could win some...i thought they were a contender after they made the trade, maybe for 8th, with everyone healthy that team doesn't look that bad but i don't see to much chemistry there........they should have kept arenas, him and jrich would've worked well together.

Van Exel, JRich, Dunleavy Jr, Murphy and Dampier (who suddenly got a confidence boost) aren't that bad and their bench Claxton, Foyle, Cardinal??? and Old Uncle Cliff

Not really a good bench their but their starters with the exception of JRich are little hype players that can produce and I always thought Dunleavy was good he can shoot rebound and has so far dissapointed me with his passing but is supposed to be a good passer. Foyle is also a guy that's a great role player and can get on the court and do what needs to be done, Claxton is ok, Cardinal i didn't even think he would play and uncle cliff is the veteran. Also i think if Murphy had been healthy he could be having a spectacular year.

This is a lineup thats not going to take them too far in the future since they have a lotta old guys and claxton is don't know if he can be a starting pg in the league but in not going to underestimate him, maybe getting an outside shot would help.

With the Clippers its just cause I like the team thats why, but Maggette and Richardson can score, Brand is back and he's a beast, Jaric is doing okayy, the team just needs to learn something called DEFENSE, I dunno with Kaman at Center but he's doing okay, showed some flashes.

[PoliceLineDoNotCross]

this year, if paul pierce plays very well and gets them into the playoffs, he could very well win it. if he averages 20+ points, 5+ assists, 6-8 rebounds, and 1 or 2 steals. he is the only big name player on the celtics this season after toine left. theres ricky davis and vin baker but vin isn't his usual self and davis isn't known for how good of a team player he is, hes known for his selfishness. right now, pierce is the only great/really good player on the celtics. theres role players that play pretty well but they don't match up to the level of intensity that pierce brings.

my favorite mvp candidates are:
kevin garnett(without him, twolves would be pretty mediocre)
tim duncan(still solid)
iverson(passing has improved too bad hes hurt)
pierce
theres more. but i can't think of any

my fav candidates for ROY are:
lebron(solid for cavs, plays team ball excellently)
melo(solid rookie. helped denver)

fav candidates for most improved are
ronald murray
maybe yao ming. he has worked out and is stronger and his stats and game show it.
maybe ron artest. hes no longer a role player. hes a cornerstone of the pacers now and has improved a lot
manu ginobili. worked his way up to a starter and showed many that he deserved that role.

defensive player of the year candidates-
ben wallace, eric dampier, ron artest, andrei kirilenko, and j-oneal

6th man are
kelvin cato(i remember his being a starter this season so he might not be 6th man)

.................. **passed out**

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

I want to make this perfectly clear for now and for everyone
to remember at the end of the season.

A certain amount of ballots are issued to a certain number of media personal,
they have a deadline somewhere around the last two weeks of the season.

The NBA offices are aware of the results prior to the season ending.

Not once has a vote been influenced by a single playoff game.

[scubilete]

ok, I'm going to ignore all the hard feelings people have against the Lakers for playing that bad and still leading the league.

my prediction, the Cavs will not be the last place in the Central Div at the end of the season.

[1CenT]

Its funny to see PIERCE CRY after JEFFERSON harrasses him!!!!!! BUBHBHBHBHBBUHHAAAA!!!! One Question. Who is going to stop KMART in the playoffs? MIMH???????? hahahahahahahahahahah. Dont worry boston we might not face each other in playoff because raptors are going to kill you in the first round!!!!!!! haahahahhahaahah!!!! YOU SUCK!!!hahahaahaha

Do you even watch basketball? I probally watched every game nets played against celtics in the playoffs the last 2 seasons..
Main reason they lost last 2 seasons:

1. Walker frustrated by Kenyon... Walker keeps jacking up ugly shots.. Kenyon keeps owning him..
2. Jason Kidd and his fast breaks.. k.. nobody can defend the fast break that well if you got walker jackin up ugly 3s everywhere to setup for jason kidd fast breaks..
3. They play great "TEAM" def on Pierce... that does not mean Jefferson harassing him.. I don't know how many times Pierce just simply beats Jefferson back and forth on off and def..


If you noticed, Celtics were the 1s who stopped Raptor's winning streak..

I agree tho Celtics do not have a good chance against Nets if Ricky doesn't play well.. But man.. i feel sad for all of the nets fans this year.. wut a great talented squad.. yet they are just .500...

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

New Jersey vs. Boston
Jefferson vs. Pierce

Boston lost both series', but not because Pierce didn't play well and certainly not because Richard Jefferson dominated Pierce into crying or even because of him at all, especially in 2002.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basket ... eltics_ap/

The Celtics pulled off the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in NBA playoff history Saturday night, with Pierce scoring 19 of his 28 points in the final 12 minutes as Boston overcame a 21-point deficit to beat the New Jersey Nets 94-90.

10 playoff games have been played over two seasons between New Jersey and Boston. New Jersey winning both series' because of Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin mainly, but let's look at this comparison for the guy who asked for it by being such a sweetheart.

Both Series' combined averages:
Paul Pierce 25.8 ppg 8.6 reb 5.4 ast
Richard Jefferson 11.1 ppg 5.1 reb 2.6 ast

2001-2002 Playoffs Boston vs. New Jersey
Pierce 23.6 ppg 8.5 reb 3.8 ast
Jefferson 5.2 ppg 3.7 reb 1.5 ast

Game 1
Pierce 27 pts 4 reb 2 ast
Jefferson 10 pts 2 reb 0 ast

Game 2
Pierce 18 pts 14 rebs 4 ast
Jefferson 2 pts 0 reb 2 ast

Game 3
Pierce 28 pts 5 reb 4 ast
Jefferson 8 pts 7 reb 4 ast

Game 4
Pierce 31 pts 9 reb 4 ast
Jefferson 1 pt 2 reb 0 ast

Game 5
Pierce 24 pts 12 reb 5 ast
Jefferson 3 pts 7 reb 1 ast

Game 6
Pierce 14 pts 7 reb 4 ast
Jefferson 15 pts 4 reb 2 ast

2002-2003 Playoffs Boston vs. New Jersey
Pierce 29.0 ppg 8.8 reb 7.8 ast
Jefferson 18.0 ppg 7.3 reb 4.3 ast

Game 1
Pierce 34 pts 5 reb 8 ast
Jeffeson 12 pts 9 reb 3 ast

Game 2
Pierce 32 pts 10 reb 11 ast
Jefferson 25 pts 6 reb 3 ast

Game 3
Pierce 23 pts 10 reb 5 ast
Jefferson 20 pts 7 reb 6 ast

Game 4
Pierce 27 pts 10 reb 7 ast
Jefferson 15 pts 7 reb 5 ast

I bet Pierce couldn't sleep at night thinking about Richard Jefferson's dominating play.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

think Detroit should offer Memo Okur, Richard Hamilton, Corliss Williamson and Chauncey Billups to Houston for Steve Francis, Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley.

Joe D wouldn't agree to this trade. All those guys are the teams future, well maybe not Willy. Besides who would wanna take Griffin? Francis also has some injury problems and the Pistons have already established a core group of guys, any serious messing around such as the trade you have suggested could screw the teams chemistry. Oh, and I believe that Okur will be a real good player

As far as I can see the team is a mess right now, sorry but from what I understand Larry Brown is placing Elden Campbell into the doghouse and putting the dog in front of it to make sure Campbell doesn't try to crawl out, thus inserting Okur into the 4/5 slot whichever you decide.

Larry Brown gets along with Darko Milicic like Latrell Sprewell got along with PJ Carlisimo in Golden State. I at first thought this was a good team, but Brown has proven his genius label is false by allowing Ben Wallace to even look at the rim while holding the ball, his replacing Rick Carlisle was one of the stupidest things Joe Dumars has done, coming right after passing on Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh. Larry Brown has coached 31 years and has done what? Led Kansas to a National Championship in the NCAA Tournament like 16 years ago? Led Philadelphia to the Finals 3 years ago? What else exactly? He pushed Indiana a few times and has been pretty solid throughout his career, but not some legend or something, not an overly winning coach, not exactly inventive or highly regarded offensive mind like Phil Jackson or showing both Defensive coaching abilities as well as a fastbreak style like Pat Riley, I would not say he's horrible, but Rick Carlisle is a better x's and o's coach and will show tremendously more in the long haul than Larry Brown, as a matter of fact I think he has done as much, in 2000 many know that Carlisle was the coach of the Indiana Pacers, when (my favorite Player ever) Larry Bird let him do all the x's and o's and plan all the defensive and offensive schemes in practice. Larry only motivated and inspired, but that team was coached by Carlisle. Detroit players didn't like him because he is a demanding prick, too bad, you won games right? Indiana will win plenty of games coached by Carlisle and Larry Brown will crumble and retire forever after he can't get out the first couple of rounds once again this playoff. Rick Carlisle will do more in 5 years than Larry Brown has done in 31.

So if I suggest they try to get a scorers like Francis and Mobley for a pack of average Joes (cept Billups) I have some clue, yes Okur is a pretty good player, but he is kind of like Laimbeer without all the rebounding and roughness. Maybe Francis, Mobley and Griffin is not the right suggestion for you, but it works for me. Maybe Miami would part with Dwyane Wade, Eddie Jones and Udonis Haslem for Billups, Hamilton, Williamson and Campbell. Just some thoughts, but I think Detroit is all screwed up and it's mostly because of Larry Brown.

By the way Eddie Griffin is 21 and is rich enough to slip out of his troubles, he is just playing the cards quicker than Kobe, getting it all over with. I think he is a head case, but look at Keynon Martin, Ron Artest and Raweed Wallace, would you like any of them? I personally hope Boston signs him next year or even asks about his availability right now. Vin Baker was pretty messed up last year and is a solid guy now.

[fgrep15]

Any other team with one of the top three picks would not have picked Bosh, the amount of ridicule they would get would be amazing. Toronto even wanted to trade him and VC was complaining that they should have traded for veteran help, now everyone shut up and is praising the guy like crazy.

Also Detroit saw it in that they had Tayshaun a better defender and 3point shooter than Melo at the 3 spot and they need role players not all scorers. Detroit wasn't even a lottery team and got the pick from Memphis so they didn't need immediate help and could take on the project of developing Milicic.

Yea i thought it was real stupid getting rid of Carlilse but what u gonna do.
I was hoping Toronto could get him but managers didn't want a big name and we got Oneil who has been pretty impressive. The guy knows how to draw up plays for game ending shots, mann. The Bosh three and the three Marshall missed were extremely well drawn up, the players got wide open shots with no one near em.

I think Miami could get rid of Jones but not Wade, they want to build around Wade and Odom, Butler too but he's not as secure, i dunno bout Haslem. If they can get a tall combo guard (eg Boris Diaw, Jiri Welsch, Jaric) they will move wade to the 2 and have him and the combo share handling duties. Wade is sick tho, he is fairless going to the hoop and has the mid range shot, just needs the outside one.

Griffin, I like the guy but he dissapoints me a lot, he's gotta stop being such a perimeter guy on offense and get in the paint, he can block shots, rebound etc but he's not smart. He's also one of those stupid guys that keeps getting himself in trouble.

[Matt]

the Pistons aren't in that bad of a position as it seems. This team probly won't reach its prime for another 2,3 seasons when Hamilton, Billups and Okur start reaching some sort of peaks. Trading Okur is not a smart idea, he's averaging 9 and 7 off the bench, and is now the starting 5 man, i'm sure that he'll explode sooner or later. He plays good on both ends of the floor and has real good range on his J.

Simply speaking, Brown needs to figure out what he wants to do with the team, he said that he'll use Williamson exclusively at SF, which is the best option and a choice that make Willy happy. Okur wanted to start, and so he does for now. What will happen of B Sura and Elden Campbell and Tremaine Fowlkes i don't know, but trades seem to the most likely outcome. Sura frees up 6.2 mill off the cap this year

[Boyk]

Where the fuck is the love for Baron Davis, the real MVP.
Finally healthy, in good shape, and playing great ball, where are the Hornets without him.

Theres Iverson also this year, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan and i'd never thought i'd say this again but even Vince Carter before Paul Pierce, i like paul yes, but for mvp, no i dont think so.

When ya team is also 13-13 and you lead the league in turnovers, no ones really gonna give ya tha big votes.
I reckon Brad Miller has been playing superb ball so far this season, numbers dont show how good he really has been playing.
dont know about MVP, but for the Kings, hes been one of the most valuable.
Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest are making thing happen down in Indiana.

I think theres a few more mentionables out there than Pierce, great player, but no MVP this year.

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Where the fuck is the love for Baron Davis, the real MVP.
Finally healthy, in good shape, and playing great ball, where are the Hornets without him.

Theres Iverson also this year, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan and i'd never thought i'd say this again but even Vince Carter before Paul Pierce, i like paul yes, but for mvp, no i dont think so.

When ya team is also 13-13 and you lead the league in turnovers, no ones really gonna give ya tha big votes.
I reckon Brad Miller has been playing superb ball so far this season, numbers dont show how good he really has been playing.
dont know about MVP, but for the Kings, hes been one of the most valuable.

Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest are making thing happen down in Indiana.

I think theres a few more mentionables out there than Pierce, great player, but no MVP this year.

This post looks like someone who doesn't like Paul Pierce or something, because it's not based on the facts.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_r ... Query.html

Toronto is 13-12 so that makes Carter better I suppose. Did you happen to see the head-to-head games?

Pierce 23 pts 9 reb 9 ast
Pierce 33 pts 11 reb 5 ast
Totals 56 pts 20 reb 14 ast

Carter 21 pts 5 reb 10 ast
Carter 35 pts 4 reb 4 ast
Totals 56 pts 9 reb 14 ast

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Many MVP winners have been near the top of the turnover list, such as Magic Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Moses Malone and Tim Duncan.

Duncan had 248 turnovers at power forward and Jason Kidd had 296 while having the ball in his hands more than anyone, yet in no way was this something that stopped Duncan from getting the MVP.

Jason Kidd was the leader in 2001 and second by 3 to Steve Francis last season, when you constantly have the ball it makes sense you will have turnovers, no one else on Boston has the ball as much as Pierce, also consider that Pierce has two or three players in his shirt and it's not that easy to get out with a clean shot or pass. Allen Iverson averages as many turnovers as Pierce, I suppose you wouldn't consider him an MVP candidate either?

Baron Davis shoots .387 from the floor .320 from the arc .643 from the free throw line, 2.89 turnovers, let's look at just this for now. Pierce .421 .348 .853 4.15 turnovers

Missed shots 364 (made 230) (+/-) -134
Missed FT 54 (made 92) (+/-) +38
Missed 3's 174 (made 82) (+/-) -92
Turnovers 78

Missed shots 297 (made 216) -81
Missed FT 26 (made 151) +125
Missed 3's 75 (made 40) -35
Turnovers 108

It's not always turnovers that make for bad decisions, you look at the numbers and decide who is more careless. Not to mention Baron having Magloire and PJ Brown cleaning up after him for 18 rebs per game, Pierce does the rebounding on Boston too. The only thing Baron has on Pierce is assists and steals, but he plays point guard, only gets 2.7 more assists and 1.12 steals than Pierce. Did you notice Boston has won 6 of 7 and New Orleans has lost three straight, including to Denver and LA Clippers, do not tell me how good Denver is, New Orleans should not be blown-out by 22 and then hammered by the Clippers by 29, this team is reeling and Baron Davis MVP talk is cooling off quickly.

When ya team is also 13-13 and you lead the league in turnovers, no ones really gonna give ya tha big votes.

Do you understand anything about Value? Pierce does more than turn the ball over, he leads his team in everything, tell me someone else who does that.

Yes I know Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are major players and will be hard to beat out for MVP, but I am not concerned with Baron Davis or Vince Carter winning over Pierce, Allen Iverson is almost the same to Philadelphia as Baron Davis is to New Orleans, he does the small guard work but doesn't do everything like rebound and his shot selection and health could be major problems for winning the MVP.

Iverson winning a few years ago over Shaq was proof that you can carry your team and get credit for your value, not just all the numbers, which Shaq had.

Did you mention Ron Artest for possible MVP?

Brad Miller does do many things for his team, his great team that is loaded and has Peja Stojakovic, Vlade Divac and Mike Bibby and this shows what a good player can do when surrounded by a great group of players and a clicking system.

I really love this it's okay for Iverson to led the league in turnovers per game [4.29] and his team is playing the same .500 ball as Boston and because you like him more he's an MVP more than Pierce.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_r ... Query.html

Same as mentioned with Toronto's 13-12 record being okay for Vince Carter.

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the Pistons aren't in that bad of a position as it seems. This team probly won't reach its prime for another 2,3 seasons when Hamilton, Billups and Okur start reaching some sort of peaks. Trading Okur is not a smart idea, he's averaging 9 and 7 off the bench, and is now the starting 5 man, i'm sure that he'll explode sooner or later. He plays good on both ends of the floor and has real good range on his J.

Simply speaking, Brown needs to figure out what he wants to do with the team, he said that he'll use Williamson exclusively at SF, which is the best option and a choice that make Willy happy. Okur wanted to start, and so he does for now. What will happen of B Sura and Elden Campbell and Tremaine Fowlkes i don't know, but trades seem to the most likely outcome. Sura frees up 6.2 mill off the cap this year

Detroit has peeked sorry but Billups is 27, Ben Wallace is 29, Campbell is 35, Williamson is 30, Atkins is 29, Rebracca is 31, Sura is 30, Hunter is 33. One thing this team is not going to do is get better with years, only Tayshaun Prince (23) and Okur (24) Hamilton (25) have some growth remaining, oh and Milicic I think might have some learning to do. If anything this team is aging and had better do something now.

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Any other team with one of the top three picks would not have picked Bosh, the amount of ridicule they would get would be amazing. Toronto even wanted to trade him and VC was complaining that they should have traded for veteran help, now everyone shut up and is praising the guy like crazy.

Also Detroit saw it in that they had Tayshaun a better defender and 3point shooter than Melo at the 3 spot and they need role players not all scorers. Detroit wasn't even a lottery team and got the pick from Memphis so they didn't need immediate help and could take on the project of developing Milicic.

Well the statement about Bosh is to Detroit's discredit, obviously they didn't see Bosh as a player to take at #2 over Milicic, that's there fault.
Because others might ridicule you obviously wasn't a concern of Joe Dumars who selected the European monster Milicic over Carmelo Anthony.

Let me ask you this: If LeBron James was available at #2 or if Detroit would have won the the #1 pick, would Detroit have selected Milicic or LeBron? I thought so. I do not buy the statements regarding this "they didn't need him" (Carmelo Anthony) crap. They could use him right now and for the future, you really are not saying Tayshaun Prince stopped Detroit from selecting Anthony are you? I just don't believe anyone who says that Detroit was so good already that they could pick someone and wait, I really believe they thought he was another Dirk Nowitzki or Pau Gasol, nothing else, only an overused theory about what happened, which holds no value in my opinion.

Yea i thought it was real stupid getting rid of Carlilse but what u gonna do.
I was hoping Toronto could get him but managers didn't want a big name and we got Oneil who has been pretty impressive. The guy knows how to draw up plays for game ending shots, mann. The Bosh three and the three Marshall missed were extremely well drawn up, the players got wide open shots with no one near em.

I think Miami could get rid of Jones but not Wade, they want to build around Wade and Odom, Butler too but he's not as secure, i dunno bout Haslem. If they can get a tall combo guard (eg Boris Diaw, Jiri Welsch, Jaric) they will move wade to the 2 and have him and the combo share handling duties. Wade is sick tho, he is fairless going to the hoop and has the mid range shot, just needs the outside one.

Griffin, I like the guy but he dissapoints me a lot, he's gotta stop being such a perimeter guy on offense and get in the paint, he can block shots, rebound etc but he's not smart. He's also one of those stupid guys that keeps getting himself in trouble.

Eddie Griffin should play small forward.

Dwyane Wade is a great player, I have always said this, but including him in a trade that betters a horrible team makes sense to me, dumping either Brian Grant or Eddie Jones' contracts or both, would be worth including Wade for a good package of lesser contracts and equal value players like Okur, Hamilton and Billups. I don't believe Dwyne Wade would hold up this trade, it's the salaries of Jones and Grant.

Would you trade Dwyane Wade for Chauncey Billups?