should Mavs let go of Steve Nash?

by **Matt** on Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:58 pm

the Mavs really need a big man if they plan to compete with the Kings, Spurs and Lakers. With the presence of T Delk and T Best i feel that Nash is expendable. I mean, in the starting 5 he's not the best creator, he's not the type of guy that can set himself up for points and he's not that big on D. Delk can create for himself as well as others ( the 54pnts he scored once proves that) and he's also a good 3pnt shooter. Best would be the backup and he too can create, as a backup he'd be one of the best in the L and getting PT against weaker PG's.

does anyone else think Nash is expendable?

by **fgrep15** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:53 am

i think he could be expendable.......but he can create for himself and nash is the best shooter on the team....also where are they going to find this big man??? big men are coveted in the league if you have a good one you aren't likely to trade him for a pg

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:09 am

I think you are putting a lower value on Nash than he is to the team game, but I would him deal for the right player because he is a free agent and the talk has him heading home to Canada, more to the point Toronto.

Toronto, who by the way murdered Chicago in Rose for A. Davis trade, I think Chicago would send both Davis and JYD back for Donyell Marshall.

Toronto could send Marshall or Bosh for Nash, I wouldn't deal Bosh for him myself, but the fans would support trading anyone for Nash, except for the unreal Vince Carter.

How about Antawn Jamison and Steve Nash for Jalen Rose and Donyell Marshall? If I were Dallas I would prefer Bosh over Marshall, but Toronto has shown they know what they are doing, holding back Mo Peterston for a good deal, though they hate him and mugging Chicago in the Davis for Rose deal.

Although on paper Jamison and Nash for Rose and Marshall looks a little in Toronto's favor, Nash could walk away at the end of the season, in Rose they get a bigger point guard and he's like a point forward and Don Nelson loves point forwards, Rose is a perfect fit in Dallas if you ask me and with Marshall they get another rebounder and a solid three point shooter, a perfect combination in Dallas. For Toronto it's a real nice deal too, they get homeboy Steve Nash and the terrific Jamison.

by **fgrep15** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:17 am

i dont think toronto will think of trading bosh.......nash is good but he's not that young bosh is 19 and rose is handling the pg very well right now 7.8 dimes per game hey im fine with that and toronto isn't looking for a point guard

they are trading rick brunson for roger mason jr and they are looking for a big man .......i was thinking melvin ely

by **Full Surface** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:38 am

Jamison is the higher in the trade block than Nash.

by **Gripni** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:43 am

If Dallas is going to trade Nash then trade him for somebody like Kenyon Martin, a big guy who plays defense well and rebounds. They don't need any more scorers. New Jersey is not going to trade Martin, but somebody like Martin would be your best bet. I don't think Dallas should trade him at all, though. Toronto shouldn't trade for him, either, because there is a good chance that he will come there next year through free agency, although we don't know what Nash is really thinking.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:11 am

Gripni wrote:If Dallas is going to trade Nash then trade him for somebody like Kenyon Martin, a big guy who plays defense well and rebounds. They don't need any more scorers. New Jersey is not going to trade Martin, but somebody like Martin would be your best bet. I don't think Dallas should trade him at all, though. Toronto shouldn't trade for him, either, because there is a good chance that he will come there next year through free agency, although we don't know what Nash is really thinking.

Yeah if he comes there anyway, they can unload some salary to sign him.

by **fgrep15** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:17 am

i heard Dallas might trade Best to the Clippers from Melvin Ely just saw it today...i was hoping TO could get Ely but s'all good.....its a might tho so don't come telling me if the trade doesn't happen

by **Vins15** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:29 am

don't think so...Toronto will let Rose play PG....and if Nash does to through fa and come to Canada...the lineup will probably be like this

C- Bosh
PF-Marshall
SF-Rose
SG-Carter
PG-Nash

that'll be a great back court duo...

by **1CenT** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:50 am

no way is jamison at a higher value than nash on the trade blocks..
If you watched enuf dallas game.. you should know that Nash is their MVP.. he shoots very very well all around, field goals, 3 pointers, and free throws.. he is definetly clutch.. and you see with him in the ball game.. dallas run a lot smoother.. than when Travis Best is in the game.. or 'Toine controlling the ball..

Nash in my opinion is 1 of the best true point guards.. #1 he penetrates well, #2 he is unselfish, #3 he can shoot, #4 he plays well in the clutch
he seems very stable and pushes the ball well..

Jamison is a 20/8 guy who can go inside/out.. he is valuable.. but right now.. if you want a true point guard that can hit shots consistently when depended on.. Nash might be #1 in this league..

But i'll still take Jason Kidd, Baron Davis over him.. for the def, rebounding, and durability .. Kidd plays a lot more mins than Nash .. and he does a lot more ..

I'm pretty sure Dallas will sign Nash.. i don't see him going to Toronto.. Toronto will be tough with addition of a big man.. they the starting backcourt and backups.. in my opinion the 1,2,3,4 spots are filled.. i'm considering bosh a 4 same as marshall(sf,pf)... Evident in the game against Cavs.. they couldn't stop Big Z..

by **fgrep15** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:52 am

rose is already playing pg, they moved alvin to the 2....he played pg in indy and averaged 7dimes per game.....they want him at pg

toronto also doesn't want bosh permanently at center......if we get a good center marshall is moving to the 3 like he played in utah and bosh at 4 and whoever is the C ......carter moves back to the 2, rose at pg and alvin will be 6th man

yea nash is a realll good shooter but i don't think dallas will trade nash unless they aren't planning on resigning him and want something in return for the loss but i don't think so

i think jamison is about the same b/c on a team where he is the man he can give you 25 and 8

battie might be on the market and maybe chris mihm

by **Nick** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:43 pm

refuze wrote:Jamison is the higher in the trade block than Nash.

no way is jamison at a higher value than nash on the trade blocks..

Refuze means higher priority on the trading block. Meaning, they want to trade Jamison more, and he's right.

by **1CenT** on Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:18 pm

my bad
he is right then sorry bout that

by **hmm** on Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:42 am

by **Matt** on Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:59 pm

from what ive seen of Nash, he can easily be contained by the opposing PG. I'm not really impressed by his game. What if they seek to trade Nowitzki??? They already have enough offense on the team and Nowitzki plays horrible horrible defense, he's repeatedly take on the inside by guys 5,6 inches shorter, he's just real soft.

by **Jackal** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:58 am

Nelson just said that Nowitzki is Dallas' best player, he won't be traded.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:32 am

Psycho Jackal wrote:Nelson just said that Nowitzki is Dallas' best player, he won't be traded.

I think he could be traded though unlikely.

Players the Mavs would trade for, this is kind of silly talk though:
[contracts would be unbalanced with James and Ming]

Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Yao Ming (Nelson would do this, look how much he loved Shawn Bradley)
Kobe Bryant (if he were not facing prison posibilities)
Jason Kidd

Maybe's
Jermaine O'Neal
LeBron James (the future with James is worth the risk)
Andrei Kirilenko (he's almost Dirk with the added defense)
Chris Webber (healthy)
Elton Brand (healthy)

I don't think he would trade for Iverson, Pierce, T-Mac, Carter, they have Finley and I think Bryant is just that much better that they would have to do it.
I am not saying Finley is better than the players above, you know I don't think so, but the swap wouldn't make sense considering everything. I think they would like to keep some size or have Kobe or Kidd.

by **fgrep15** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:06 am

the other teams with VC, AI, Tmac etc wouldn't even want Finley unless they have some crazy stupid logic, finley is 30

lebron is going nowhere, neither is yao, garnett, duncan, oneal, or brand who is not injured anymore especially not for dirk i mean look at garnett, the whole package and you'll trade him for a guy that is just a better shooter and that is all, can't pass, rebound, play defense or anything else as well......duncan too and then lebron and yao are young.....i don't know bout kirelenko he has become the name of the utah franchise and gm's aren't stupid they also know that if you get dirk its jut a better shooter with less of everything else

by **LeBron James** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:10 am

Nash isnt going nowhere.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:16 am

fgrep15 wrote:the other teams with VC, AI, Tmac etc wouldn't even want Finley unless they have some crazy stupid logic, finley is 30

lebron is going nowhere, neither is yao, garnett, duncan, oneal, or brand who is not injured anymore especially not for dirk i mean look at garnett, the whole package and you'll trade him for a guy that is just a better shooter and that is all, can't pass, rebound, play defense or anything else as well......duncan too and then lebron and yao are young.....i don't know bout kirelenko he has become the name of the utah franchise and gm's aren't stupid they also know that if you get dirk its jut a better shooter with less of everything else

Dude I said it's silly talk didn't I?

I never said anything about the other end of the trades, what the other teams would do, it's obvious that I know about this, that's why I said it's silly talk!!!!!!!!!!

I only suggested that Dallas would trade Nowitzki for those players, just a guess and that's all, I never said San Antonio would jump at trading Duncan for Nowitzki, I only said there are situations in which Dallas would trade Nowitzki, although not likely would it happen.

I never said anything about Michael Finley going somewhere.

I do know what's what.
:roll:

by **magius** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:21 pm

are you serious? nash is the heart of dallas. trading him away would be disastrous.

by **Shep** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:35 pm

paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:Andrei Kirilenko (he's almost Dirk with the added defense)

jumping on the kirilenko bandwagon are we?

yes, i could see this coming...

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:44 pm

Shep wrote:
paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:Andrei Kirilenko (he's almost Dirk with the added defense)

jumping on the kirilenko bandwagon are we?

yes, i could see this coming...

And?

by **Shep** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:04 pm

paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:
Shep wrote:
paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:Andrei Kirilenko (he's almost Dirk with the added defense)

jumping on the kirilenko bandwagon are we?

yes, i could see this coming...

And?

What?

...oh and by the way, kevin garnett has now played the majority of his games at power forward

by **Matt** on Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:24 pm

well, since this topic is silly anyway.........
Mavs, they'd trade Nowitkzi for Duncan and Shaq and Ming......another player that i would trade Nowitzki for straight up w/o doubts or hesitation is Zach Randolph

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