Boston Blows 30 point lead to Suns

by **DipSetVC** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:07 pm

Ouch. I feel sorry for paul_pierce_the_truth, I know how you feel man, I'm a Raptors fan...

by **Matthew** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:55 pm

This came from nowhere.. Any word on amare?

by **Ruff Ryder** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:47 pm

I think they said Amare has a sprained ankle. They had to take him to the hospital.

How do the Celtics screw up sooooooooo bad? To the Amare-less suns? Maybe they should have kept Antoine.

by **DipSetVC** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:59 pm

It's all about the stupidity of Danny Ainge. First of all, he rewards a slim Antoine Walker by trading him for the most inconsistent player in the history of the NBA, Raef LaFrentz, although throw-in Jiri Welsch has been solid. Second, He also traded J.R Bremer, a player who was very, very solid in his time as a Celtic and he deserved to man the point. Third, Paul Pierce cannot do it himself, he's not at the godly level that Duncan and Iverson are on and most times during this season, way too much pressure has been put on him.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:11 pm

ruffryder8 wrote:I think they said Amare has a sprained ankle. They had to take him to the hospital.

How do the Celtics screw up sooooooooo bad? To the Amare-less suns? Maybe they should have kept Antoine.

DipSetVC wrote:

It's all about the stupidity of Danny Ainge. First of all, he rewards a slim Antoine Walker by trading him for the most inconsistent player in the history of the NBA, Raef LaFrentz, although throw-in Jiri Welsch has been solid. Second, He also traded J.R Bremer, a player who was very, very solid in his time as a Celtic and he deserved to man the point. Third, Paul Pierce cannot do it himself, he's not at the godly level that Duncan and Iverson are on and most times during this season, way too much pressure has been put on him.

Taking cheap shots about Antoine is so old and tired, they traded him and it's done, two years from now are you still going to be bringing this up? It nothing to do with anything.

J.R. Bremer was never "very, very solid" at the point, never solid is more like it. I saw 73 Celtics games last season and all the playoff games, I might know about J.R. Bremer, who isn't shit.

I knew people were going to make this reference to Amare Stoudemire not playing the second half.

If Phoenix would have lost the game, the same statements would have been made in different way.

"Phoenix lost but they didn't have Amare Stoudemire in the second half."

They outscored Boston 79-49 without Amare, they were losing by 24 when he was playing.

So I say "Boston lost because the Suns didn't have Amare Stoudemire."

I don't really mean this, but it makes more sense than just throwing 2 cents in like you know something about what went down.

What happened is that Boston relaxed and relaxed and believed they had the game, Phoenix put on a full court press the entire second half and Marbury and Joe Johnson got very hot, especially Marbury. Pierce still did all he could but it was not enough.

The blame here goes to Jim O'Brien the Celtics coach, who I expect Ainge to can any day now.

About Danny Ainge, I believe he did okay on the deal right now, with Jiri Welsch and the 1st Round Pick, which won't be high, but with the Boston pick and some players, they could work up a good trade.

Raef LaFrentz is battling knee injuries and is a solid player, he lacks some toughness and could take better shots, but he just arrived to Boston and is working his way into the system. Antoine Walker did work hard on getting in shape, but I don't see him playing much differently in Dallas, who by the way just got the shit kicked out of them by the Lakers, even without Dirk, they didn't look so great. Antoine Walker would be helpful right now with Boston's struggles, but he's not the player people think he is, as a matter a fact I can tell you that he's more inconsistant than Raef LaFrentz. Saying this most inconsistant ever thing is overstating it quite a bit. Boston needs a reliable point guard (Mike James is horrible and Marcus Banks is just a Rook) and a second scorer.

I really believe Ainge should fire Jim O'Brien based mainly on the team's start this year, but the game against Phoenix (4th largest blown lead ever), coupled with 2 big leads blown against NYK, the guy should get the ax. I want him out, but Ainge could turn into one of those guys who can't swallow that he made a mistake. If this is true, look for the Celtics to win around 28 games and replace both Ainge and O'Brien and hire someone to do the both jobs. I think seriously John Thompson should be considered.

by **Matthew** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:18 pm

Come on Mikky D and the rest of you guys.. its one regular season game. It really doesn't mean much imo. Marbury from the looks of things lit up the celts down the stretch. If this was like losing a big lead in a big playoff game, then i could understand this reaction. But... its not needed yet. The celtics are still in conetion for the atlantic(hell so is orlando) so just look forward to the next game :crazy:

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:25 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:Come on Mikky D and the rest of you guys.. its one regular season game. It really doesn't mean much imo. Marbury from the looks of things lit up the celts down the stretch. If this was like losing a big lead in a big playoff game, then i could understand this reaction. But... its not needed yet. The celtics are still in conetion for the atlantic(hell so is orlando) so just look forward to the next game

Look dude, I mentioned why O'Brien should be fired, read my post.

I am not basing anything on one game.

I am not some 9-year-old child jumping around with a lego in one hand and a bobblehead in the other. I know what I am saying here.

Jim O'Brien should be fired in spite of the Atlantic Division standings. Orlando is not still in it, they are 1-18 and to finish even at 41-41, they would have to go 40-23 and that's playing .635 ball which is the same as winning 52 games in a season. They will not win 25 games, will not.

by **Nel** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:45 pm

Paul Pierce should step up. Paul Pierce the truth keeps on bashing t-mac saying pierce is better but then they lose 8 out of 10 games. Peirce should prove first he can do it alone before comparing him to t-mac. If they can pass the first round then you can brag. Maybe he realizes he can't do it alone. lol at the celts.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:51 pm

<GM> wrote:Paul Pierce should step up. Paul Pierce the truth keeps on bashing t-mac saying pierce is better but then they lose 8 out of 10 games. Peirce should prove first he can do it alone before comparing him to t-mac. If they can pass the first round then you can brag. Maybe he realizes he can't do it alone. lol at the celts.

Nice flame dude.

I hardly ever talk about Pierce as a matter of fact, in one thread I discussed that Pierce was at T-Mac's level and this is before Orlando and Mr. McGrady joined the Clippers, Cavs and the 73 Sixers as topic of worst teams ever. This team lead by McGrady could win 10 or 12 games and you say he's better than Paul Pierce?

Pierce doesn't have anymore help in Boston than McGrady has in Orlando.

Past the first round? Are you talking playoffs?

Like when McGrady opened his mouth last year when leading 3-1 in the series and then lost three in a row to Detroit?

Paul Pierce and the Celtics have got out the first round the past two years, beating Indiana last year in the First Round, beating Detroit and Philadeliphia two years ago to reach the East Finals.

How many playoff series' has T-Mac won again?

0-3 last year's playoffs to get closed out by Detroit
1-18 this year
1-21 over last 22, yeah he's another Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan for sure.

by **Nel** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:05 pm

paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:Pierce doesn't have anymore help in Boston than McGrady has in Orlando.

Oh common man..
Baker (consistent double figure scorer) Howard (sucks)
Battie and lafrentz (both are good in interior defense) Steven hunter, pachulia, declerq (young and inexperience declerq can't make a basket) Eric williams, jumain jones, mike james are not that bad compared to giricek, bogans, lue, gaines.

paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:Past the first round? Are you talking playoffs?

Im talking about this year. T-mac has proven that he can bring a team to the playoffs alone although as you said he didn't pass the first round. What i am saying is you can brag about peirce being better than mcgrady if peirce can bring his team to the playoffs alone and pass the first round.

paul_pierce_the_truth wrote:yeah he's another Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan for sure.

I'm not saying he's that good. I would accept VC and AI better than tracy because both of them has proven they can carry their respective team alone.

by **Stevan** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:29 pm

Damn! That must be hard to swallow. 29 points is quite a margin, and if you ask me that might be a coach's loss. Yes the players are responsible but the coach is supposed to make adjustments. Obviously I didn't see the game, but damn, that is quite hard to take irrespective of it being playoff/regular season action. Mentally this could have quite an impact on a teams season.

by **Matt** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:48 pm

heheh, didn't the Celts lose to the Pistons last season by 63 points???

by **Ruff Ryder** on Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:28 am

stack42 wrote:heheh, didn't the Celts lose to the Pistons last season by 63 points???

As I think of it they did! They looked like one raggedy-ass team in that game.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:51 am

I'm not saying he's that good. I would accept VC and AI better than tracy because both of them has proven they can carry their respective team alone.

This is how you dish out respect?
This is how you judge if a player is good or not?

It's not exactly what I call the best idea for a player to be considered good because he's on a shitty team and can carry them to the playoffs, yeah that might take some talent, but you must be the same guy who says "Yeah Kobe's good but he has Shaq." Therefore he couldn't be better than McGrady.

Well if this is how you measure a guy's talent.

Measure this 1-18.

by **DipSetVC** on Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:28 am

7-12 ain't that great either... :roll:

Boston Blows 30 point lead to Suns

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