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by **Shep** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:50 pm

Andrei Kirilenko

probably the best individual performance of the season so far:
19 points
5 rebounds
7 assists
8 steals
5 blocks

simply amazing.....its a pity he missed that late free throw or i would be gloating even more than i am now...

anybody want to argue who the best SF is?

yall laughed at me then, but now who's laughing?

:lol:

(that means me)

by **Filip** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:14 pm

Doing one night great performance dosen't make him the best smallforward in the league. Voshon Lenard did 38 points in 39minuts, does make him the best scorer in the league?

But I agree that Kirilenko kicks ass, according to Sportingnews countingsystem he is the next best SmallForward in the league, after Kevin Garnett who is ranked 1st of smallforwards. If you count him as a smallforward, which I know you probably don't/won't.

Anyway I love the fact that a white players are getting better and better
and posting up all-star stats. AK47 is as good Dirk now.
(Though he looks like a fucked up version of Dolph Lundgren

)

by **Matthew** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:15 pm

One good game doesnt mean anything. I wonder if you will make a similar thread when andre has a dud game?

by **Shep** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:35 pm

one good game? he's played the brilliantly all season long. he is also the main reason that the jazz are winning right now.

by **Matthew** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:45 pm

Buddy, you only posted stats for one game, so thats why I only reffered to one game as well. And besides if i was to pick the best small forward it wouldnt be ak-47. You are more than entitled to your opinion.. hehe and you can have him :proud:

I'd even take a rashard lewis over him..

by **Boyk** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:06 pm

anybody want to argue who the best SF is?

Paul Pierce G-F
Vince Carter G-F

Both of those guys play Small Forward occassionaly.

Ron Artest(best perimeter defender in the game,with now a good offensive game)
Corey Maggette(playing great ball at the moment)
Jamal Mashburn(still a top all-round offensive player)
Predrag Stojakovic

by **Fresh8** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:48 pm

Shep wrote:one good game? he's played the brilliantly all season long. he is also the main reason that the jazz are winning right now.

AK-47 is good....but u can't really say he's the main reason the Jazz are winning...Thats a bit of an overstatement....

I mean..if you look at the Jazz roster and their stats...it's pretty even among scorers...4 players score 12-17.5 ppg- noone cracks 20 per...I think scoring-wise they have a 'team game' also to mention 8 guys average 5.5 per or more.

AK-47 averages 7.5 Boards a game but Harp averages 8.5 and Ostertag 9.1 boards per game....he doesn't get the rebounds either....Arryo dishes out 6 a game...Kirelinko does 3 dime per game...but he does beat/leads the team in blocks and steals....

Wat I'm trying to say is that, yes, he does have the best all-around stats on the team...he is the best player on the team BUT the Jazz are winning because of a team effort not due to him!

by **Ruff Ryder** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:33 am

Laddas_KB8 wrote:
anybody want to argue who the best SF is?

Paul Pierce G-F
Vince Carter G-F

Both of those guys play Small Forward occassionaly.

Ron Artest(best perimeter defender in the game,with now a good offensive game)
Corey Maggette(playing great ball at the moment)
Jamal Mashburn(still a top all-round offensive player)
Predrag Stojakovic

What about KG? Or Shawn Marion?

by **air gordon** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:39 am

i don't want to get into this SF interpretation/silly emoticons match but i will say that kirilenko is amongst the top 3 SF's in the league today. not counting KG as a SF, kirilenko or peja right now is the top SF in the game. marion's is great, but statistically, he's not up to par right now. Carter, TMac, and Pierce are SG's who have the versatility to play SF. Mash has to play a game before i consider putting him on the list

whoever didn't see that game last nite, missed out on a great one. i haven't seen a such a dominant defensive performance since perhaps hakeem had that quadruple double

don't even mention about the color of his skin- pink, purple, yellow, white, or black, whatever... that was a sick performance

by **Yessie** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:59 am

The BEST SF who doesnt play guard like vince carter and pual pierce but just plays SF is Rashard lewis , dont see AK47 dropping 50pts.
Rashard lewis will make the all-star team this year i dont think you can say the same for AK47

by **PoliceLineDoNotCross** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:58 am

you were just setting yourself up for an argument by posting a title called "i told you so". that is just childish and pointless :roll:

i personally think ak47 is playing very well and i think he is one of the best SF's in the league right now.

probably the best individual performance of the season so far:
19 points
5 rebounds
7 assists
8 steals
5 blocks

simply amazing.....its a pity he missed that late free throw or i would be gloating even more than i am now...

anybody want to argue who the best SF is?

i could take jordan's 2 point scoring game stats and say that he is the worst basketball player ever(just an example) just like you took ak47's good game stats saying he is the best SF. :roll:

by **TRUball** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:06 am

Yessie4200 wrote:The BEST SF who doesnt play guard like vince carter and pual pierce but just plays SF is Rashard lewis , dont see AK47 dropping 50pts.
Rashard lewis will make the all-star team this year i dont think you can say the same for AK47

Although Lewis is one of my favorite players, I have to disagree about him being better then AK-47. Ya your right we won't see Kirilenko dropping 50 anytime soon, but have we seen a 8 blocks, 5 steals game from Rashard? and infact Lewis's career highs in steals and blocks are 6 and 4, respectivaly. Also I think Kirilenko could easily get a all-star spot this year in the west, if he contiunes this kind of play. Also a player that is better then both of these guys is Peja, man this guy can play.

by **paul_pierce_the_truth** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:02 am

Agreed If the Jazz continue and/or Kirilenko continues this way, he's a lock for the West team, Rashard Lewis on the other hand may get out voted by West coaches that have been murdered by Flip Murray, they both prolly won't make the All-Star team and if Seattle continues to play well, I believe it's Murray and not Lewis, but we'll see, Lewis is considered a power forward in some minds.

You could also argue about who plays small and power forward in Utah.

by **scubilete** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:21 am

OK, the guy highest scoring ever is 30 pts, and it wasn't this season. He has scored 12 pts or less in 5 out of 16 games (shows not consistency). Knowing the most complete player is not the best, I don't consider he's the best. I see he's complete in almost every area of the game, but yet there are other players I'd rather have on my team over Kirilenko.

Yet, there are people complaining about KG not being a SF. If the fact of KG playing PF makes him one, then getting back to the roster I see the Jazz PF is Kirilenko, I guess that makes him one as well. :scold:

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:02 pm

Why is Kirilenko on the West All-Stars when i sim a Season or Dynasty?

by **scubilete** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:19 pm

Probably cause he plays in the West.

by **Shep** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:21 pm

PoliceLineDoNotCross wrote:you were just setting yourself up for an argument by posting a title called "i told you so". that is just childish and pointless

the point of this thread is to argue/discuss. childish: maybe, pointless: no

PoliceLineDoNotCross wrote:i could take jordan's 2 point scoring game stats and say that he is the worst basketball player ever(just an example) just like you took ak47's good game stats saying he is the best SF

andrei kirilenko is having a brilliant season, i would not say that he's the best SF in the NBA today if he played only 1 good game. i used this game as an example of an outstanding season he's having. now that he's getting the minutes he is showing the people who didn't know he was this good what i already knew: that he is a superstar

scubilete wrote:OK, the guy highest scoring ever is 30 pts, and it wasn't this season. He has scored 12 pts or less in 5 out of 16 games (shows not consistency)

so he doesn't score consistently. what makes him great is his defensive prowess. the scoring will eventually come maybe not this year, but next year. kirilenko is a lock for 1st team all defensive.

also what i like about kirilenko is that if he's having an off night on the offensive end of the floor, he can be effective on the defensive end of the floor. guys like rashard lewis just are not capable of this.

by **Matt** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:25 pm

OK, i must agree that Kirilenko is playing brilliantly this season. And I with full confidence will say that he is better than Nowitzki and Peja. He's not as good shooter as they are but he's a better rebounder and defender. In fact, Kirilenko is an awesome defender. He blocks shots like crazy, and steals the ball real well, kinda like Ben Wallace. I'd also say that Pau Gasol is better than Dirk and Peja, but lets keep it on AK47. He's carrying his team by setting an example to his teammates. AK47 is right up there with Marion as top SF's.

Just because R Lewis scored 50pnts doesn't mean that he's better than AK47. I believe that AK47 is more consistent. Besides, back in 2000 Tony Delk dropped 54pts and i don't remember anyone saying he's better than GP or Kidd

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