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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby [Q] on Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:35 am

Spurs got a pretty good deal considering they had lost most of their leverage. Getting DeMar and a young big for someone they would have lost anyways is a big win for them.

Raptors take the L especially if he turns out to be a one year rental although not completely because like Andrew said it is an expiring contract
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby I Hate Mondays on Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:59 am

My Raptors, what are you doing...
Who in the world thought Leonard would stay in Toronto next year. Coach was fired, the Lowry-DeRozan bromance was broken; I expect a painful season to watch.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby cavs4872 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:14 am

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cavs4872 wrote:Bloody murder for the Raps; good for them - they get Green and the pick is protected (not a huge deal, but just another plus for them)?!

Might end up benefiting both teams.

... And I just read the part he doesn't want to play in Toronto; that about balances it.

Andrew wrote:On the other hand, it will clear plenty of cap space and allow them to start over if Kawhi walks. They seemed to have peaked as a team that's really good to great in the regular season, but mediocre come Playoff time. Kind of reminds me of some of the Hawks teams from the 90s, if I had to make an historical comparison.

Or even the 2015 Hawks.


I don't agree with this at all. Not only did the Spurs get a primed Demar Derozan, but THEY (You said the Raptors did) received a protected first round pick (1-20), and an underrated Jakob Poeltl. He is 22, and hasn't hit his ceiling. He played inspiring basketball last season in limited minutes, and plays a position that the Spurs sorely needed support at (Center). Pau's aging body was playing extended minutes last season, and when he was out they were playing Bertans (Poor defender/rim protector/rebounder). This move possibly allows Pau to play off the bench, or atleast get extended rest.

The move allows the Spurs to stay competitive now, while also building for the future. I think this was the best deal they could have taken, considering the circumstances. Derozan may be unhappy that Toronto traded him (rightfully so), but he will report to the Spurs and will fit in nicely in that system. As far as the Raptors go, so many questions exist. One, will Leonard play his heart out for a team he doesn't want to play for? Will he be 100% healthy? Will they have enough success to sway him to sign longer term? Danny Green is on the back-end of his prime, but will help the Raptors (He is 31).

More questions exist for the Raptors than the Spurs in this one, and I think both teams potentially won this deal. We will have to reflect on it again after this season, but I like the deal for both teams at the moment (Assuming Leonard reports to the Raptors and plays hard/is healthy)

Now that I had time to digest the bigger picture, it kinda seems inconsequential both ways; both stars are unhappy - it's just a repeat of the Kyrie trade, and Cavs fans right now are kicking themselves we had to trade him, because we didn't, and if we didn't we would be sitting fine right now. Be a professional and get paid crazy money to throw a ball in a hoop while kids starve in third-world countries... sorry to make that so bleak. :shock:

Everything is the NBA seems inconsequential with the Dubs...
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby air gordon on Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:37 am

wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Sauru on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:08 am

air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate



if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:20 pm

Sauru wrote:if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries


Good point. If Leonard walks they'll have cap space to start over, but that's a tougher sell after trading away one of the most loyal players in the history of the franchise.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Jeffx on Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:07 am

Sauru wrote:
air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate



if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries


Bingo. I don't get this at all.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:18 am

Sauru wrote:if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries

Win it all? Who is making that unrealistic lofty expectation?

I don’t claim to know the pulse of our neighbors up North. Limited cap and drafting mid to late 1st round puts a ceiling on the team for the next few years. Maybe toronto fans preferred making the playoffs/exiting 1st/2nd round AKA nba purgatory
Andrew wrote:but that's a tougher sell after trading away one of the most loyal players in the history of the franchise.

Too bad Demar is gone but sentimentality/loyalty is overrated/caveman thinking in the modern NBA. the great Ainge did the devil's deed with IT. and on the players side, you're seeing the best players take short term contracts over a bigger payday.

the raptors have been able to sign their own FA’s since Ujiri has taken over. Ujiri is underrated as a solid gm and has done great job of cleaning up colangelo's mess. the narrative of no one wants to play in toronto is just not true
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:23 am

Former Raptor Charlie Villanueva snitching again:

I remember when Bryan Colangelo and Sam Mitchell told me I wasn’t getting traded from Toronto, and Sam saying “if Micheal Jordan comes out of retirement is the only way we trading you” Literally the next day I was traded to Milwaukee.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:44 am

shadowgrin wrote:Former Raptor Charlie Villanueva snitching again:

I remember when Bryan Colangelo and Sam Mitchell told me I wasn’t getting traded from Toronto, and Sam saying “if Micheal Jordan comes out of retirement is the only way we trading you” Literally the next day I was traded to Milwaukee.


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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby [Q] on Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:47 am

Sauru wrote:
air gordon wrote:wonderful trade for the raptors. team peaked last year and now they are contenders again (well assuming leonard is on board and healthy). demar and just a rotational big (and get to keep wright, OG) was worth the risk in landing a legit MVP candidate



if he walks and they dont win it all this season it will back fire big time. this has already pissed off most of their fans and trading the 1 player who seemed to be happy playing for your team is not going to do much in helping them sign free agents. of course a ring erases all pain but there is zero chance that is gonna happen. they aint even making the finals without some serious injuries

Win it all, meaning win the east? Would it be a success if they finally made it to the Finals just to lose to the Warriors? No guarantees, as they still have to get by Philadelphia and Boston

Toronto fans would be pissed if he left but I'm pretty sure it's not because the team "let him go", since he's hell bent on going to LA or whatever. It could be a blessing if they sign a big free agent in his place like a Jimmy Butler or someone. But look at their last big signing... Demarre Carroll?
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Sauru on Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:22 am

i am not saying they have a chance to win it all i am saying its the only way this trade is not monumentally stupid for the raptors. wtf trades away their only loyal superstar in the teams history for a 1 year rental? winning a ring makes everything ok though.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby NovU on Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:04 pm

Kawhi deal makes the Celtica fans upset now now. The Raptors to Finals, I love this trade. New king has arrived in east lol.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby [Q] on Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:05 pm

Sauru wrote:i am not saying they have a chance to win it all i am saying its the only way this trade is not monumentally stupid for the raptors. wtf trades away their only loyal superstar in the teams history for a 1 year rental? winning a ring makes everything ok though.

Yeah, true it's a all-in move by the raptors
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby Sauru on Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:07 pm

NovU wrote:Kawhi deal makes the Celtica fans upset now now. The Raptors to Finals, I love this trade. New king has arrived in east lol.



what celtics fan is upset over this? if anything celtics fans are very happy about this. i dont know a single person from boston who wanted to see him land in LA with lebron
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby benji on Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:49 pm

It's a good deal for the Raptors, the team maxed out, DeRozan was an overall negative especially at his price. If Leonard stays it's an upgrade, if he bolts it opens them up towards the rebuild they need to make anyway.

It's a good deal for the Spurs, Pop doesn't want to coach a lottery team, they can bump up to 50 wins or so, make the playoffs one or two more times and he can retire. Then they can start on the rebuild they need to make anyway.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby air gordon on Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:56 pm

winning a title didn't stop Irving asking out of cleveland ;)

i guess in the aspect of keeping old man Pop happy before he hangs it up it was good for the Spurs. i think big picture it was just ok. they didn't a get a good young prospect or draft pick and/or shed some salary. demar is a good player but fresh off yet another poor playoff performance. benched game 3 & ejected game 4. yeesh.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Traded to Raptors

Postby NovU on Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:42 am

Sauru wrote:
NovU wrote:Kawhi deal makes the Celtica fans upset now now. The Raptors to Finals, I love this trade. New king has arrived in east lol.



what celtics fan is upset over this? if anything celtics fans are very happy about this. i dont know a single person from boston who wanted to see him land in LA with lebron

Oh yeah? Lets talk again when the playoffs season looms around.
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