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Postby The Big Racist on Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:37 am

Cartwright Relieved as Bulls Head Coach

November 24, 2003 -- Chicago Bulls Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations John Paxson today announced that Bill Cartwright has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the NBA franchise.


Paxson said he expects to name Cartwright’s replacement within the next week, but said Pete Myers will be coaching the Bulls in the interim.


Holey Moley!Is this some kind of nba record of teams firing coches?
As mentioned above Pete Myers will be coaching in the interim but after that Isiah Thomas?Doc Rivers?or if Myers wins all the games he coaches he has a shot atit also...I see Carthwright's firing best for The Bulls,I hope to see them in the playoffs so someone has to make a better job with the Bulls.

Source: http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/cartwrigh ... 31124.html
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:15 am

There goes Cartwright, maybe they get Doc. :D ( I hope they get Doc. :D )
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Postby Andreas Dahl on Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:23 am

It would indeed be cool to se Doc. in Chicago.
He'd probeblly do well there :)

It would be nice for Chicago as well for Docs' career (i think).
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Postby Vins15 on Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:27 am

too bad...there goes another coach...i think Frank Johnson and Byron Scott are on the hot seat...
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Postby air gordon on Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:50 am

rivers has said that he wants to stay away from coaching this year...i'd like to see doug collins as the new coach, but that's unlikely.

cartwright wasn't the right guy for the bulls. i'm glad pax pulled the trigger.
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Postby Colin on Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:56 pm

Rivers is doing commentary for ABC this year.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm

Isiah Thomas would be an interesting choice, given his history with the Bulls. He may be a Chicago native, but he was a hated rival when he played for the Pistons.
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Postby bishibashiboy on Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:30 pm

Andrew wrote:Isiah Thomas would be an interesting choice, given his history with the Bulls. He may be a Chicago native, but he was a hated rival when he played for the Pistons.

Exactly what I was thinking!

How long was Cartwright coach for? Did he even make it thru one season total?

Give the job to MJ and watch him cringe!
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Postby Vins15 on Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:00 pm

bishibashiboy wrote:
Andrew wrote:Isiah Thomas would be an interesting choice, given his history with the Bulls. He may be a Chicago native, but he was a hated rival when he played for the Pistons.

Exactly what I was thinking!

How long was Cartwright coach for? Did he even make it thru one season total?

Give the job to MJ and watch him cringe!


MJ=Best player ever, worst GM/Owner/Coach...
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Postby air gordon on Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:26 pm

cartwright was the bulls coach for about a season and a half (he took over when pink floyd was fired during the 2001 season) plus the amount of games from this season...

zeke an 'interesting choice'? would it be a good or bad choice in your opinion, andrew and bashiboy?

stormin' noman van lier is a great choice but i think skiles would be the realistic/best choice
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:35 pm

It probably wouldn't be a terrible choice. Isiah did a fairly good job with the Pacers the last three seasons. Mightn't be the smartest move as far as PR goes. :wink:
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Postby bishibashiboy on Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:47 pm

I think Isiah would be fine. He seemed to help develop Jermaine O'Neal and the other younger players just fine in Indiana, and for the most part the players liked him.

I think the city of Chicago would welcome him, despite his past rivalry with the Bulls' franchise in the playoffs. Let's face it, he can't do much worse than either Floyd or Cartwright.

Vins15 wrote:MJ=Best player ever, worst GM/Owner/Coach...

so so true :)
MJ even said he doesn't have the patience to coach. It'd just be fun watching him chew out the players for being incompetent.
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Postby Matthew on Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:46 pm

MJ=Best player ever, worst GM/Owner/Coach...

Er he hasnt coached a game yet, and how was he the "worst gm/owner" ever? He helped turned the wiz from the worst in the east into a team with some respectablity
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Postby Vins15 on Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:06 pm

NBA_Fan_23 wrote:
MJ=Best player ever, worst GM/Owner/Coach...

Er he hasnt coached a game yet, and how was he the "worst gm/owner" ever? He helped turned the wiz from the worst in the east into a team with some respectablity


1.last season he blamed the young guys for not taking them to the playoffs and not trying hard enough...is that great leadership?what if he said that in a coach's stand point wouldn't he get fire anywayz if he wasn't the greatest player?
2.He owned the Wiz before taking over..and look at the moves Kwame Brown...and with MJ's temper in the GM/Owner market he's probablly never gonna find the perfect team...since no team had anyone good as MJ himself to impress him...
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:58 pm

1. It's no different to Larry Bird saying his teammates played like "a bunch of women" during the 1984 NBA Finals. It fired the team up, and they went on the win the championship. Towards the end of last season, MJ was the only player on the Wizards who seemed to playing with something to prove, even though he had the least to prove of anyone on the roster.

And anyone who fires a coach for trying to get the most out of his players is a fool, so I don't think MJ would be fired if he had made those remarks as a coach.

2. He cleared up cap space by dumping guys like Juwan Howard and Rod Strickland, moves that have enabled the Wizards to compete for free agents and head in the right direction. He only had one full season in charge of basketball operations. Few people have been able to turn a team around in one year with minimal building blocks.

Consider Don Nelson's wheeling and dealing back in 1997. Everyone thought he was mad, that he had destroyed the Mavericks for the next decade. His moves allowed him to slowly put together the Western power that exists today.
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Postby Stevan on Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:13 pm

Poor Bill :(

I was going to say let's get Michael Jordan to coach, but then I realised that the superhero otherwise known as Pete Myers already has the job for the meantime. I mean common folks, Pete Myers led the Bulls to 50+ wins after Jordan (that piece of no good adulterating trash) gave up on the game. :lol:

But seriously, though a guy like Kobe or McGrady may impress Jordan enough for him to be able to stick with a team, nobody will really ever be good enough. They're just not on his level. If he had hair, he'd pull it out coaching lame asses like Pierce or Carter. Mike should coach the Globetrotters - guaranteed success and no need for stress (y)
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Postby paul_pierce_the_truth on Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:04 am

Stevan,
If no else gets this, I do and it's not funny :cry:

Just kidding,

I know what you mean, he would call a timeout and look at Paul and shake his head, wondering how he could not just take over. Then he would look around for himself and never find it, maybe Kobe could come close, but not McGrady, because he is no greyhound like him and Pip were on defense, not to make an arguement, but currently Kobe is the only player that is half the man as Jordan was.

Cartwright out, Skiles in?
Added: 24th November, 2003 8:19 PM ET

Chicago Tribune: The Bulls have fired head coach Bill Cartwright after a little less than two years as the team's coach. And GM John Paxson said that may not be the only change.

WGN radio is reporting that Scott Skiles will be named the new head coach in the next few days. Skiles was head coach of the Phoenix Suns from 1999-2001. He posted a record of 116-79, including a 5-8 playoff record. The Suns fired Skiles after 51 games in 2001. Pete Myers is set to take over in the interim.

"There's no question that this team has underachieved, and probably for many reasons. Is it a coaching problem? I don't think so," interim coach Pete Myers said in Dallas, where the Bulls play the Mavericks on Tuesday night.

"These kids got to tie up their shoestrings a little tighter," Myers said. "I told the guys today that it's time for you all to pull that mirror out now. We've changed coaches, now you guys are going to take the heat. Now you have to stand up."

Paxson, the Bulls Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations, said he expects to hire a new coach within the next week. He was to meet with the team Tuesday in Dallas and will then return to Chicago.


Story from ESPN.

Bulls general manager John Paxson, while declining to comment on trade talks, did address the potential fallout of having disgruntled players remain after being so openly shopped.

"I'm not concerned because I plan on addressing it with them," Paxson said. "My biggest disappointment is someone let this out, and that puts players in a horrible position. But that's my job, to smooth things over."


Story may be a sign-up site, I am not sure.
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Postby Stevan on Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:35 am

They haven't really said what's going to happen to "medical" Bill? Will he still have a role in the organisation? Back to assistant? He's a good guy, hope they keep him around in some form, though he may not want to hang around.

I'd rather not have Isiah take over. Might as well bring back "nutty" John Starks, sign Anthony Mason and talk Bill Lame-beer out of retirement. :lol:

Maybe Scottie Pippen should be player coach? :cool:

Scott Skiles is cool, maybe Jamal Crawford might pick up a thing or two from a guy who dished out 30 assists in a game (y)
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Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:39 am

Laimbeer's currently coaching the Detroit Shock in the WNBA. I bet he'd be an even more popular choice than Isiah. :wink:

Skiles may not be the most decorated NBA head coach, but he is experienced and has guided a team to a playoff appearance. He can't do any worse than Floyd.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:23 pm

i'd also like to see mr.bill brought back to the organization in some capacity. maybe not anytime soon since several of the players were questioning his coaching moves publicly to the media...


i'm not pointing fingers here or trying to attack anyone, but whenever i hear the phrase or something similar to "so and so can do no worse then floyd", it makes me want to puke. floyd= bulls losing and challenging all time worst records. bulls fans need to be thinking along the lines of "which coach can wake the bulls up from their season long sleepwalk", not this pink floyd talk.

the players and coaching staff are talking about playoffs but outside of 6 games, the rest of their peformances have been pathetic. screw what floyd did, the bulls need to start winning or at least find out whether chandler, curry, and crawford are the right players to bulid a championship team around. any knowledgeable bulls fan knows this...

and paxson definitely needs to shit or get off the pot with the rose trade. even a blind man can see that rose and marshall's play is being affected by these trade rumors

...did anyone else see that sick move crawford put on nash in the open court? it was nastier then the move he did in my sig below. it happened so quickly.. studder step right then crossover between the legs then around the back to a finger roll?.. too bad he missed it, otherwise it would have been play of the year material
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Postby bishibashiboy on Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:53 am

I think one of the problems with the Bulls was Cartwright's use of the triangle offence (did he do that this year)? Anyways, they have a young team and I think a free-flowing offense would have been much better.

In all honesty they should be at least winning as many games as the Grizzlies. The Bulls are just as good if not better than them.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:47 pm

crawford4MIP4real wrote:i'm not pointing fingers here or trying to attack anyone, but whenever i hear the phrase or something similar to "so and so can do no worse then floyd", it makes me want to puke. floyd= bulls losing and challenging all time worst records. bulls fans need to be thinking along the lines of "which coach can wake the bulls up from their season long sleepwalk", not this pink floyd talk.


Point taken. But I feel it's a fair comment, and an appropriate way of judging a new coach's performance. If he can't do any better than Floyd with the roster they have in place, he isn't the right guy.

But you are right. We should be thinking about who could turn the Bulls around, not just do a better job than Tim Floyd.
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Postby MC Hao on Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:00 pm

:arrow: KILL BILL
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Postby paul_pierce_the_truth on Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:59 pm

While I think Paul Silas got a raw deal in New Orleans and that group under him would be at least 11-5 as they are, one never knows that for sure and if you look at his mark with Cleveland who doesn't have Baron Davis but does have LeBron James and Co., he is winless on the road (0-9) and 4-11 overall and lost to those same New Orleans Hornats just today. Those same Hornats coached by Tim Floyd.

That's right Tim Floyd is 11-5 and looking pretty good, but is it him or is it Baron Davis and the great rebounding and defense by Jamal Magloire George Lynch and PJ Brown?

Sometimes it's the players, it is not the coach. Doc Rivers had Tracy McGrady and lost and lost and lost and now Johnny Davis has him and they lose and lose. Is it Johnny Davis' fault McGrady fouls out with 3:00 minutes remaining in a close game? Is it Doc Rivers' fault Orlando lost every game save one squeaker to the Knicks? In the case of Orlando, the fact is, they have few quality NBA players and McGrady is not very clutch himself, yes he scores a lot of points and has cool dunks, but sometimes it's when you score, not how much.

In 2000 the Bulls started players like Hersey Hawkins, Randy Brown, Matt Maloney, Dickey Simpkins, Fred Hoiberg, Corey Benjamin, Chris Anstey, John Starks and Elton Brand (who was 21-year-old rookie), how many wins should Tim Floyd have put together with list of talent?

In 2003 Bill Cartwright has a team with Scottie Pippen, Jalen Rose, Kendall Gill, Donyell Marshall, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, Kirk Hinrich and Eddie Robinson, should he be winning night-in and night-out? Probably at least half his games should have been victories, this not like the 2000 team, this team has veterans and lots of good young players, I believe Tim Floyd would have done a better job than Bill Cartwright, to take jabs at Floyd with the hand he was dealt is unfair and horrible hindsight.

There is a lack of motivating attitude in Chicago, from Jalen Rose being a complete cancer, to Corie Blount's recent mouthing off about Scott Skiles. This team doesn't just need a new coach, they need to move some of these malcontents down the road, starting with Rose, Blount and perhaps just giving Scottie Pippen to the Lakers for Byron Russell, Jannero Pargo and Jamal Sampson. I also believe bringing in Antonio Davis for Rose is a big mistake, they should ask Dallas what it would take to get Michael Finley or Antawn Jamison and give it to them (so long as it does not include Hinrich, Curry or Chandler).

These are my thoughts, based on nothing but my opinion.

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This whole hype surrounding Iverson vs. Larry Brown's Pistons today was gross and overstated to no end, the people at ESPN spit controversy out like it's so cool and pretty and it's nothing but meaningless gobblie-gook.
No one cares, except for uniformed Philadelphia fans. Sean Elliott by the way is the most clichéd filled, cheap and predictable talking head, he never says anything that is in-depth and always says exactly what you expect, "Iveson broke a bunch of ankles on that one".
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ESPN and TNT are allowed at least four extra timeouts for commercials in each half, I have been watching League Pass and they take half as many commerical breaks it seems like and they cover the game and that's about it, that is all that is needed, ESPN and TNT comes back from commericals, only to run more commercials about "brought to you by" and see this show on TNT thursday and on and on, sometimes a team scores and they just ignore it and come back and tell you about it like a minute later or sometimes never. These games are completely sick and disgusting to watch, I love local telecasts of the games and that is hard to say, but the only thing they promote for the most part is their team and the game that they are showing, but not hype like graphic on top of graphic on top of quotes on top of next week's game on top of trade rumors and pile sideline reporters and whatever else they cram into your face. It's disgusting self-promotion.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:13 pm

Tim Floyd didn't have much to work with, and that's probably Jerry Krause's fault. Though he assembled Bulls teams that accounted for 6 titles in the 90s, he also handled the breakup of the team poorly, alienating future free agent possibilities and changing the rebuilding plan every year.

Then again, other coaches have had moderate success with seemingly talentless teams. Doc Rivers was 41-41 in his first season (1999/2000) with a team that featured four starters who went undrafted upon leaving college. They were more talented than the 1999/2000 Bulls, but they still overachieved. Even though Floyd didn't have a great roster at his disposal during his tenure in Chicago, he still could have done better. Other coaches have had a similar lack of talent and managed to look respectable; some of the blame for the follies of the Floyd era must fall upon Floyd himself.

But as you noted Mike, this year's squad is the best in the years, and should be playing better than their record (and those 20+ point losses) indicate. All the more reason for the new head coach (apparently Scott Skiles) to do better than Tim Floyd. If he can't do better than Floyd with a much better roster than Floyd ever had in Chicago, then he's definitely not the man for the job. :wink:
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