2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

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Celtics in 4
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Celtics in 5
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Celtics in 6
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Celtics in 7
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Cavaliers in 4
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Cavaliers in 5
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Cavaliers in 6
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Cavaliers in 7
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To fill the week-long gap between the conference finals and NBA Finals, Boston and Houston play a series for third place
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Isaiah Thomas on LeBron's title chances: "I don't know who the fuck that is."
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Thu May 17, 2018 2:19 am

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[Q] wrote:It's a shame that LeBron has so many haters. He is one of the best players of all time and it's just a pleasure to watch him work. Some of these passes he's hitting his teammates with for open layups are ridiculous and shouldn't be possible by a man that big



i feel like his haters are caused by those who kiss his ass. people get sick of the nick wrights of the world so they bash on lebron. then there is of course the stupid fucking decision special he had.

overall though people should sit back and appreciate greatness. the man is playing the game at a skill level equaled by a very few ever. possible one 1 other ever. his longevity also has to be admired.

good call there, sir.

too bad thompson is no longer in champion form. he bottled up horford last year and could switch on perimeter players. korver was good and his off ball action opens up things. too bad he can't stay on the floor against Boston wings. JR smith really stunk it up on both sides. i say back to more minutes to osman.

smart had some bad reads on the korver picks but overall what a spark to have. immeasurable tangibles
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby dwayne2005 on Thu May 17, 2018 5:21 am

Jackie Kong wrote:That goes for every coach that did not vote for Brad as coach of the year.
It is all about team defense and intensity. Trading Thomas last off-season was really needed the way I see it because many could say that a defense is as strong as its weakest link and there is no worse defender in the league than Isaiah.
Even without Irving and Hayward, this team looks much stronger out there than last year this time around.


Since the diasterous run with Cleveland during a period when Cleveland went 0-5 without Isaiah for which Isaiah was made accountable for in the press (media attacking him usually referred to the 7-13 run when it was 7-8 under Thomas) calling him the worst defensive player in the league using the DRTG coarse estimation (for which 15 games is wholly insufficient), how well did he do in LA? I can't get up the first few games including one which he spent 5 minutes on court (due to disqualification for being hit and elbowed by Rajon Rondo in the face) and the other team destroyed them on the way for 130 for which some made him accountable for even though they scored at a reduced rate in the little time he was on court, or his first game with LA which the media immediately lept to blame him for even though in that game he had the best DRTG rating on the team. Rather I can only get up the games since the all-star break and he had a rating of 107.7: https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/? ... Position=G Among guards, that probably puts him around the middle of the league, despie his mediocre steal count, which is probably exlainable by having on of the best DFG%'s in the league until his last couple of games before pulling out to injury (finished at 42.9% which was still a few percent better than average).

In the aftermath of the season, we'll probably get analysis of him being the worst in 2017-18, once again making him accoubtable for a problematic team but there is reason to think his stint in Cleveland was exceptional, including the fact that he didn't lead to the destruction of Boston when he was on court. This Celtics team is very different to last years (not just Isaiah) and lucked their way to this round to finally square off against what I have known for a long time is a fairly ordinary team.

Ultimately, Boston had their chance last year when Isaiah was out injured and remind me how well they done then without everyones favourite scapegoat holding the team back?
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 17, 2018 5:37 am

dwayne2005 wrote:This Celtics team is very different to last years (not just Isaiah) and lucked their way to this round to finally square off against what I have known for a long time is a fairly ordinary team.


You have clearly not watched any Celtics basketball this season, and possibly no games in the playoffs.

The Celtics won a hard fought 7 game series against a completely healthy Milwaukee Bucks team, and won in 5 games to Philly (A team that almost everybody picked over the Celtics), they have taken the first two games from a Cavs team that many said would either sweep Boston, or win in 5 games.

You couldn't possibly have watched the Celtics and stated that they lucked into this situation. They have been playing great ball all year, they have been playing next man up ball all year consistently. Not only that, they have the talent. Just because they don't have big names, doesn't mean they don't have the talent. Most people (some on here) stated that without an all-star, or lack of many all-stars, the Celtics were doomed in this postseason. Those comments mostly started when the Celtics reached the 2nd round against Philly. The Celtics have proved that it isn't luck all playoffs long, by not only having an amazing gameplan night in and night out, but also the execution by players that are not being given the credit they deserve. With that "luck" comment, you prove that you know absolutely nothing about the current Celtics team, and I question if you have watched them at all.

I agree with SOME of your comments about Thomas, but you sound a bit obsessive. All of your posts are basically about Thomas, and stats, specifically advanced stats. Not everything is about Thomas, just like not everything is about LeBron. The picture is much bigger than that.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu May 17, 2018 5:46 am

Thomas doesn't pass the eye test to me. Every time, I watch him play I feel like the team has to adjust the whole defense to make him look not so bad which I suppose could exaggerate his defensive stats.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby dwayne2005 on Sat May 19, 2018 6:10 am

For the record, where did Thomas rank 2 years ago using this same DRTG that everyone are usually to crucify him today? #167 of 476 players (80 games played). This does not filter out the 'extremes' (which I don't believe the site can do) caused by players who played few games, so he would have been higher ranked than 167. It evens out on both ends of the chart as a rough percentage as to how he rates, though. I'm sure back then the media scum would have found a different measure to crucify him under.

Incidentally, Thomas was more efficient offensively in 2017-18 (50.8% TS, including 49.3% at Cleveland) than Jordan was for either season with Washington (46.8% and 49.1%).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sat May 19, 2018 5:30 pm

how did this thread turn into a toxic midget discussion thread?
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun May 20, 2018 1:15 am

It was inevitable to talk about Thomas. Last year, Celtics started 0-2 down against Cavs.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby dwayne2005 on Sun May 20, 2018 3:19 am

SoF'nAwesome wrote:how did this thread turn into a toxic midget discussion thread?


No one ever told twits like you to stop posting about the series...
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 20, 2018 3:23 am

dwayne2005 wrote:
SoF'nAwesome wrote:how did this thread turn into a toxic midget discussion thread?


No one ever told twits like you to stop posting about the series...


Don't pay comments like that any mind. They are completely pointless and unfounded. It's hate for the purpose of hate, and it's not even funny at that.

Thomas wasn't toxic in Boston, he wasn't toxic in Cleveland (which came out later), and he wasn't toxic in LA, either. And what he has acheived with his size is more than any of us have acheived athletically in our lives, including So Fn Awesome, so maybe he's just jealous.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 am

air gordon wrote:
Sauru wrote:
[Q] wrote:It's a shame that LeBron has so many haters. He is one of the best players of all time and it's just a pleasure to watch him work. Some of these passes he's hitting his teammates with for open layups are ridiculous and shouldn't be possible by a man that big



i feel like his haters are caused by those who kiss his ass. people get sick of the nick wrights of the world so they bash on lebron. then there is of course the stupid fucking decision special he had.

overall though people should sit back and appreciate greatness. the man is playing the game at a skill level equaled by a very few ever. possible one 1 other ever. his longevity also has to be admired.

good call there, sir.

too bad thompson is no longer in champion form. he bottled up horford last year and could switch on perimeter players. korver was good and his off ball action opens up things. too bad he can't stay on the floor against Boston wings. JR smith really stunk it up on both sides. i say back to more minutes to osman.

smart had some bad reads on the korver picks but overall what a spark to have. immeasurable tangibles

This is why I appreciate Sauru's presence in our forum. The man is not afraid to call it what it is even though I still think he is a dictionary definition of ass fuck.

Some still dont realize how big deal player Tatum is. He is a prototypical modern era star quality small forward who can switch and defend anyone and gives anyone problem on offense. And he is what, 19 or 20? Mitchell is not a star yet but this Tatum is a star already. Otto Porter? Perhaps Tatum in his first year already outplayed a shit nice player. People need to stop saying Mitchell was better heck even his temmate Rubio was much better.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Sun May 20, 2018 5:58 am

Interesting compare. I think Tatum is way more smooth with the ball and plays through contact. Porter seems more jerky jerky/ Shawn Marion like. Either way Tatum is pretty damn awesome
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun May 20, 2018 6:07 am

Stevens and Tatum are a perfect match. Don't think Tatum would this effective with Jazz. Don't think Mitchell would be this effective with Celtics.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby shadowgrin on Sun May 20, 2018 1:42 pm

Weird seeing the Celtics defense easily crumble when the Cavs started doing 1 or 2 offball movements.
You can tell the Celtics defensive gameplan was reliant on the Cavs sticking with isos or the team standing around waiting for the shot from a LeBron pass out.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Sun May 20, 2018 6:48 pm

The counter-punch I think everyone saw coming, especially after a few days off and the shift to Cleveland. Let's see if it rattles the Celtics for Game 4, and whether or not players like Hill can keep stepping up.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sun May 20, 2018 7:07 pm

need to give clarkson the hood treatment. he has zero contribution
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby [Q] on Mon May 21, 2018 1:27 am

Hated to see him go, but he and Nance definitely had the least amount of potential of the Lakers young guys
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackal on Mon May 21, 2018 3:37 am

[Q] wrote:Hated to see him go, but he and Nance definitely had the least amount of potential of the Lakers young guys


Told you that dude doesn't pass. He regressed since coming in to the league.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Tue May 22, 2018 4:38 am

Keys to the game for the C's tonight:

1. Stay out of early foul trouble
2. Don't settle for long two's (Unless you are Tatum, who thrives from that 15-22 foot range). I'd like to see Rozier work that tweener game and attack the basket more. I am really sick of Marcus Smart taking long twos.
3. High intensity throughout - So many red carpet rides in game 3 (Like on LeBrons reverse). Show the intensity and effort you had in games 1 and 2.
4. Don't get beat on the boards by Nance/Thompson - Both those dudes get rebounds by hustling, not by skill. They wanted it more last game, box out and knock them off the spot, beat them to the 50-50 balls. Nance/Thompson combined for 18 points and 13 rebounds, we need to cut that in half.
5. Operate more in the pick n roll - I'd like to see Horford up setting picks on the ball more, Christ even Baynes. Let's make Clevelands defense move and have to adjust. I'd also like to see Horford being used not just as a roll man, but as a pick n pop option. If he doesn't get the shot immediately, he is great at putting the ball on the floor and making decisions on the move.
6. Stifle Korver and Smith.... - If penetration occurs and we lose sight of them, or don't get out quick enough, we could find a barrage of three's raining on us. Don't help off those two, ever.
7. Run, run, run - We should be pushing it on every defensive board.

Also, the Cavaliers are 7-0 over the last 10 postseasons when Bill Kennedy refs.... and Bill Kennedy is refereeing the game tonight.

Scott Foster is another ref in this game... fun facts below:

The records show Donaghy placed 134 calls to referee Scott Foster — more than the 126 calls Donaghy made to his bookie — between October 2006 and April 2007, the period during which he has confessed to either betting on games or passing on game information to gamblers. The majority of the phone calls lasted no more than two minutes and occurred prior to and after games Donaghy officiated and on which he admits wagering.

With the exception of 150 calls Donaghy placed to Thomas Martino, to whom he says he provided “picks” to win games and who was the middleman between the disgraced referee and a bookie named James Battista, the ex-ref phoned no one more than he called Foster. During this period, the most calls Donaghy made to any other referee were 13.


Additionally....

Calls between Foster, 41, and Donaghy, also 41, took place immediately before and after 54 of the 57 games Donaghy officiated from the beginning of the 2006-2007 season until mid-March, when his role in the gambling operation apparently ended. Records also show a vast majority of the calls came in the hours before or after games officiated by Donaghy or Foster.



This will be interesting. Bottom line - the game could be forced in the direction of the Cavaliers, keep an eye out for funny business... particular "Bad officiating".


http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/07/14/disgraced-former-nba-referee-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-to-second-ref-raise.html


Example below:


Donaghy’s phone records for one of those days, Dec. 30, obtained by Fox News, reveal the following:

— 10:34 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 10:35 a.m. – Donaghy calls another referee.

— 10:36 a.m. – Donaghy calls Martino, the “middleman” between him and his bookie.

— 10:39 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 5:15 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 5:23 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 7 p.m. – Donaghy referees game between the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic. The Magic win in a rout, 97-68.

— 8 p.m. – Foster referees a game between the Toronto Raptors and the Memphis Grizzlies in Memphis. The Grizzlies win 110-104. Foster and Donaghy speak 12 minutes after the game.

— 11:27 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fourth time of the day.

— 11:38 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fifth time of the day.

The following day, Donaghy spoke with Foster at 1:37 p.m., for two minutes. One minute later, at 1:40 p.m., Donaghy spoke to Martino, also for two minutes.



I know that the topic of fixed games is a tough pill to swallow, tough for people to even think about nevermind talk about. But it's a big business, and the reality of the situation is that I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason refs like Scott Foster and Bill Kennedy are kept around. Look no further than the 02 Kings vs Lakers series, and the 06 Heat vs Mavericks finals. Don't be surprised if you see really "Bad officiating" tonight.... masked as just that... bad officiating.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby [Q] on Tue May 22, 2018 2:43 pm

Is there a player more important for the success of the Cavs than Tristan Thompson?
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Tue May 22, 2018 3:48 pm

He's easy to overlook because of the big contract he hasn't exactly lived up to, but he can definitely have an impact on the game. When the Cavs came back from 3-1 down in the 2016 Finals, LeBron and Kyrie were putting up great numbers and hitting all the big shots, but Thompson was cleaning up on the glass, and that made a huge difference.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Tue May 22, 2018 5:50 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
Also, the Cavaliers are 7-0 over the last 10 postseasons when Bill Kennedy refs.... and Bill Kennedy is refereeing the game tonight.

Scott Foster is another ref in this game... fun facts below:

The records show Donaghy placed 134 calls to referee Scott Foster — more than the 126 calls Donaghy made to his bookie — between October 2006 and April 2007, the period during which he has confessed to either betting on games or passing on game information to gamblers. The majority of the phone calls lasted no more than two minutes and occurred prior to and after games Donaghy officiated and on which he admits wagering.

With the exception of 150 calls Donaghy placed to Thomas Martino, to whom he says he provided “picks” to win games and who was the middleman between the disgraced referee and a bookie named James Battista, the ex-ref phoned no one more than he called Foster. During this period, the most calls Donaghy made to any other referee were 13.


Additionally....

Calls between Foster, 41, and Donaghy, also 41, took place immediately before and after 54 of the 57 games Donaghy officiated from the beginning of the 2006-2007 season until mid-March, when his role in the gambling operation apparently ended. Records also show a vast majority of the calls came in the hours before or after games officiated by Donaghy or Foster.



This will be interesting. Bottom line - the game could be forced in the direction of the Cavaliers, keep an eye out for funny business... particular "Bad officiating".


http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/07/14/disgraced-former-nba-referee-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-to-second-ref-raise.html


Example below:


Donaghy’s phone records for one of those days, Dec. 30, obtained by Fox News, reveal the following:

— 10:34 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 10:35 a.m. – Donaghy calls another referee.

— 10:36 a.m. – Donaghy calls Martino, the “middleman” between him and his bookie.

— 10:39 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 5:15 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 5:23 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 7 p.m. – Donaghy referees game between the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic. The Magic win in a rout, 97-68.

— 8 p.m. – Foster referees a game between the Toronto Raptors and the Memphis Grizzlies in Memphis. The Grizzlies win 110-104. Foster and Donaghy speak 12 minutes after the game.

— 11:27 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fourth time of the day.

— 11:38 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fifth time of the day.

The following day, Donaghy spoke with Foster at 1:37 p.m., for two minutes. One minute later, at 1:40 p.m., Donaghy spoke to Martino, also for two minutes.



I know that the topic of fixed games is a tough pill to swallow, tough for people to even think about nevermind talk about. But it's a big business, and the reality of the situation is that I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason refs like Scott Foster and Bill Kennedy are kept around. Look no further than the 02 Kings vs Lakers series, and the 06 Heat vs Mavericks finals. Don't be surprised if you see really "Bad officiating" tonight.... masked as just that... bad officiating.


I cannot leave this uncommented after watching the game where the refs were actually doing a really good job and the worst calls were rather in favor of the Celtics (JR Smith phantom fouls). Free throw attempts, turnovers etc. are almost identical for both teams, both had players in foul trouble (especially Love and Morris) and both were fighting and hustling and the refs had to call a lot of fouls.

I know you are a die hard fan of that Celtics squad, which clearly exceeded any expectations after tough injuries sustained this season. But the last two games, they were just not good enough to beat a scrappy Cavaliers team.

I think the Cavs played really good defense the last two games, still the Cs were missing open dunks and layups and continuously switched on the LeBron/Smith pick&roll having Rozier on LeBron, not sure if that should be your defense rotation. But okay, I am not a coach, Brad Stevens is one of the best in the game, maybe it's better to force that matchup than letting the Cavs get pick n pop threes or whatever.

It felt like Celtics were faced by the pressure a bit. They had their heads down early on in both games and some of their potential weaknesses (that they were able to overcome during most of the regular season and early Playoffs) were exposed - Brown/Tatum/Rozier not hitting as many ridiculously difficult shots that they are able to hit. Smart being a poor option on offense except for some clever pick & roll plays. Morris not being a legit stopper for LeBron as he does not have the footspeed. Horford not being an offensive juggernaut - he lives from clever screens and ball movement (which the Cs did not have in the last two games) , his isos (even in the post) are not unguardable.

It's all open now and the Celtics just don't seem to have it on the road, which is not a huge issue given they have home court.

But please don't bring in the refs just because the Cavs cut the deficit. Don't start the conspiracy thing just because your team is not performing.

There were clearly other reasons for the two losses than the refs (Cavs D, LeBron being LeBron, Celtics weaknesses exposed, Celtics road issues).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Tue May 22, 2018 6:13 pm

Oh man, I dont believe neither these Celtics nor Cavs have any chance against superior western conference finalists now. If you cant defend one man team, how are you gonna defend multifaceted Warriors team.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Tue May 22, 2018 11:20 pm

hova- wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:
Also, the Cavaliers are 7-0 over the last 10 postseasons when Bill Kennedy refs.... and Bill Kennedy is refereeing the game tonight.

Scott Foster is another ref in this game... fun facts below:

The records show Donaghy placed 134 calls to referee Scott Foster — more than the 126 calls Donaghy made to his bookie — between October 2006 and April 2007, the period during which he has confessed to either betting on games or passing on game information to gamblers. The majority of the phone calls lasted no more than two minutes and occurred prior to and after games Donaghy officiated and on which he admits wagering.

With the exception of 150 calls Donaghy placed to Thomas Martino, to whom he says he provided “picks” to win games and who was the middleman between the disgraced referee and a bookie named James Battista, the ex-ref phoned no one more than he called Foster. During this period, the most calls Donaghy made to any other referee were 13.


Additionally....

Calls between Foster, 41, and Donaghy, also 41, took place immediately before and after 54 of the 57 games Donaghy officiated from the beginning of the 2006-2007 season until mid-March, when his role in the gambling operation apparently ended. Records also show a vast majority of the calls came in the hours before or after games officiated by Donaghy or Foster.



This will be interesting. Bottom line - the game could be forced in the direction of the Cavaliers, keep an eye out for funny business... particular "Bad officiating".


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Donaghy’s phone records for one of those days, Dec. 30, obtained by Fox News, reveal the following:

— 10:34 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 10:35 a.m. – Donaghy calls another referee.

— 10:36 a.m. – Donaghy calls Martino, the “middleman” between him and his bookie.

— 10:39 a.m. – Donaghy calls Foster.

— 5:15 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 5:23 p.m. – Donaghy calls Martino.

— 7 p.m. – Donaghy referees game between the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic. The Magic win in a rout, 97-68.

— 8 p.m. – Foster referees a game between the Toronto Raptors and the Memphis Grizzlies in Memphis. The Grizzlies win 110-104. Foster and Donaghy speak 12 minutes after the game.

— 11:27 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fourth time of the day.

— 11:38 p.m. – Foster and Donaghy speak for at least the fifth time of the day.

The following day, Donaghy spoke with Foster at 1:37 p.m., for two minutes. One minute later, at 1:40 p.m., Donaghy spoke to Martino, also for two minutes.



I know that the topic of fixed games is a tough pill to swallow, tough for people to even think about nevermind talk about. But it's a big business, and the reality of the situation is that I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason refs like Scott Foster and Bill Kennedy are kept around. Look no further than the 02 Kings vs Lakers series, and the 06 Heat vs Mavericks finals. Don't be surprised if you see really "Bad officiating" tonight.... masked as just that... bad officiating.


I cannot leave this uncommented after watching the game where the refs were actually doing a really good job and the worst calls were rather in favor of the Celtics (JR Smith phantom fouls). Free throw attempts, turnovers etc. are almost identical for both teams, both had players in foul trouble (especially Love and Morris) and both were fighting and hustling and the refs had to call a lot of fouls.

I know you are a die hard fan of that Celtics squad, which clearly exceeded any expectations after tough injuries sustained this season. But the last two games, they were just not good enough to beat a scrappy Cavaliers team.

I think the Cavs played really good defense the last two games, still the Cs were missing open dunks and layups and continuously switched on the LeBron/Smith pick&roll having Rozier on LeBron, not sure if that should be your defense rotation. But okay, I am not a coach, Brad Stevens is one of the best in the game, maybe it's better to force that matchup than letting the Cavs get pick n pop threes or whatever.

It felt like Celtics were faced by the pressure a bit. They had their heads down early on in both games and some of their potential weaknesses (that they were able to overcome during most of the regular season and early Playoffs) were exposed - Brown/Tatum/Rozier not hitting as many ridiculously difficult shots that they are able to hit. Smart being a poor option on offense except for some clever pick & roll plays. Morris not being a legit stopper for LeBron as he does not have the footspeed. Horford not being an offensive juggernaut - he lives from clever screens and ball movement (which the Cs did not have in the last two games) , his isos (even in the post) are not unguardable.

It's all open now and the Celtics just don't seem to have it on the road, which is not a huge issue given they have home court.

But please don't bring in the refs just because the Cavs cut the deficit. Don't start the conspiracy thing just because your team is not performing.

There were clearly other reasons for the two losses than the refs (Cavs D, LeBron being LeBron, Celtics weaknesses exposed, Celtics road issues).


I agree that the Celtics got outplayed! I brought up a valid point, I wasn't the only one bringing it up. NBA fans in and out of Boston were talking about the ref lineup for this game, and it was understandably concerning based on Scott Fosters history.

It has nothing to do with being a Celtics fan, I hate the possibility of rigged games, pre determined outcomes, shady practices (like that of which he presented with the Donaghy scandal, absolutley shady). It's not a conspiracy theory, there are reasons why I and others get concerned about certain officials reffing, like Tony Brothers. If you owned a store, and a shopper who was suspected of stealing came in, you would have your employees on high alert. If the shopper left without stealing anything, it doesn't change the fact that you are suspicious of that person, nor does it change any acts that the person may have committed prior, the next time that shopper comes into your store, you will be on high alert again. I would expect fans of any team, or just the NBA in general to be suspicious when certain officiating crews go out onto the floor.

There have been numerous series/games that got me really frustrated that had nothing to do with the Celtics, games where a portion of the population stated "The rig is in!".

I wanted the Celtics to win, but they didn't get it done. Hopefully they do at home.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Wed May 23, 2018 12:24 am

NovU wrote:Oh man, I dont believe neither these Celtics nor Cavs have any chance against superior western conference finalists now. If you cant defend one man team, how are you gonna defend multifaceted Warriors team.

celtics did beat cavs when it was only LeBron who was showing up. they started to lose when korver, tt and swish contributed as well. so i don't think it's fair to call them a one man team
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 3:07 am

I want somebody to rationalize how these are not offensive fouls, and why LeBron continues to get away with this on so many drives. Literally full extensions of his arm.

I went through and froze where he extends his arm, this doesn't cover half of the times he did this in just Game 4. He literally has been doing this and getting away with it for years. This puts the defender at a complete disadvantage, of course LeBron is going to get to the hoop if he is allowed to do this on all of his drives to get downhill. On the 5th screenshot, Scott Foster is standing about 5 feet from James looking right at him.

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Not only is he strong already, but he becomes 10 times stronger when he is allowed to use a full extension of his off arm to push on a back pedaling defender who isn't allow to touch him. LeBron should have had 3 offensive fouls in the first 6 minutes of Game 4. Again, this isn't "hating", this is an officiating issue, a favoring issue, and an NBA issue in general. James Harden also gets away with this stuff sometimes. LeBron shot 13 free throws last game, thats with defenders pulling back on his arm extended drives. It puts the opposing team at an unfair, ridiculous disadvantage.

LeBron is a career 73% from 0-3 ft, while only being 42% FROM 3-10, 36% from 10-16 and 38% from 16-22 ft, and 34% from 3P and beyond. Of course he is going to shoot a high percentage when he is allowed to have such an advantage going to the hoop. It's ridiculous to think other wise. Those screenshots are just a few snippets from one game, without even showing close to every one. I could post a ton of them based on the Pacers series and just games throughout his career.

Its so frustrating to watch. The biggest knock I have on what he gets away with is this, even more than his travels. Both are ridiculous though. Not saying James hasn't had good games, game 7 of the Pacers series he made some really tough shots, but that doesn't change the fact that he gets away with murder out there. Players are not allowed to handcheck, but he is allowed to fully extend his off arm to gain an advantage when driving? Give me a break.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Wed May 23, 2018 3:40 am

SoF'nAwesome wrote:
NovU wrote:Oh man, I dont believe neither these Celtics nor Cavs have any chance against superior western conference finalists now. If you cant defend one man team, how are you gonna defend multifaceted Warriors team.

celtics did beat cavs when it was only LeBron who was showing up. they started to lose when korver, tt and swish contributed as well. so i don't think it's fair to call them a one man team

Korver is still a nice player but can you imagine this guy being the 2nd best player on any other championship caliber team at age of 37? Think about Houston without CP3 and Capela but Korver, or Warriors without Klay, Draymond, and Curry(or KD), but Korver. They would suck, a lot.

Korver's also from LeBron's 2003 draft class. Seems these two are the only remaining nice players out of very special draftees. It's also crazy LeBoston is still bombing the league like he's still in mid 20s after all those years. I mean his draft mates are nearly all gone, and he's still pouring 40+ in the very competitive games with not much help from teammates. Insane.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 am

NovU wrote:
SoF'nAwesome wrote:
NovU wrote:Oh man, I dont believe neither these Celtics nor Cavs have any chance against superior western conference finalists now. If you cant defend one man team, how are you gonna defend multifaceted Warriors team.

celtics did beat cavs when it was only LeBron who was showing up. they started to lose when korver, tt and swish contributed as well. so i don't think it's fair to call them a one man team

Korver is still a nice player but can you imagine this guy being the 2nd best player on any other championship caliber team at age of 37?

Korver's also from LeBron's 2003 draft class. Seems these two are the only remaining nice players out of very special draftees. It's also crazy LeBoston is still bombing the league like he's still in mid 20s after all those years. I mean his draft mates are nearly all gone, and he's still pouring 40+ in the very competitive games with not much help from teammates. Insane.


Kevin Love is the Cavaliers second best player, that's not debatable.

Love is still averaging 15 and 10 in this postseason, and averaged 18 and 9 during the season. Korver is averaging 11 and 3 in this postseason, they are playing roughly the same minutes a game (Kevin Love 2 more). Love is also averaging almost double the assists per game (0.9 for Korver, 1.7 for Love), Korver is literally just a shooter. Outside of Stats, Love gives them more on the floor outside of shooting. While Love is a capable shooter, he gives them more on the rebounding front and in the post.

Even though Love hasn't had a good shooting playoffs, he is a threat/factor in more areas than Korver. A lot more to the game than just shooting.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Wed May 23, 2018 6:00 am

Actually both of them played very solid on defense as well in the last two games, standing their ground and keeping their man in front of them for most of the time, something Love did not do in the rest of the playoffs. Korvers blocks in game 4 were a bit overrated as they also had to do with Jaylen Brown looking a bit exhausted out there, but at least he played it smart.

About the whole officiating thing. I just don't like you bringing it up now that the Celtics seem to fade (although they can still bounce back big time at home). I remember an offensive foul call against Tristan Thompson, who clearly had position against Terry Rozier.

About LeBron. This forearm could be easily called an offensive foul, but rarely do you see these calls unless they are totally obvious (like real pushing). If the refs had been calling more ticky tack, LeBron would have stepped to the line five more times as he got hacked on most of his drives to the rim.
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 6:18 am

hova- wrote:Actually both of them played very solid on defense as well in the last two games, standing their ground and keeping their man in front of them for most of the time, something Love did not do in the rest of the playoffs. Korvers blocks in game 4 were a bit overrated as they also had to do with Jaylen Brown looking a bit exhausted out there, but at least he played it smart.

About the whole officiating thing. I just don't like you bringing it up now that the Celtics seem to fade (although they can still bounce back big time at home). I remember an offensive foul call against Tristan Thompson, who clearly had position against Terry Rozier.

About LeBron. This forearm could be easily called an offensive foul, but rarely do you see these calls unless they are totally obvious (like real pushing). If the refs had been calling more ticky tack, LeBron would have stepped to the line five more times as he got hacked on literally all of his drives to the rim.


I brought it up in the Pacers series as well, and I brought it up in the Thudner/Rockets series last year.

I've also talked about that push off/stiff arm thing LeBron gets away with numerous times, on here and elsewhere. Those are as obvious as it gets, it's literally a straight arm fully extended while the defender is backing up with his arms at his sides. It's as black and white as it gets, and you know as well as I do that those obvious ones should be called offensive fouls. Against the Celtics aside, pretending that's not LeBron as well, if that play happens over and over again where the defense is put at a disadvantage with the offensive player getting away with it (In this case, over 10 times a game) that can easily swing a score and momentum. The defender literally can't do ANYTHING, because they are not allowed to hand check, or even put a body into the offensive player in most cases. Whether some of them are real pushing or not, it's a clear advantage for the offensive player, and it's also technicaly against the rules in the rulebook.

Again, this isn't Celtics related (Me griping on this). I was LIVID when Harden did this to the Thunder in the first round of last year, I hated it with a passion. But not one person on this forum when seeing his arm fully extended like that, while the defender is backpedaling, and him making contact with the defender, would say that it's not an offensive foul (Unless you are absolutely lying to yourself and the others reading).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Wed May 23, 2018 6:26 am

It's not what they call, you see it on many occasions. It's a league of the players and especially the stars. I see your point and I agree to a certain point (although I backchecked his highlights from the game and only saw it twice, the others, he did not shove or anything at all).

The officiating in general though is not very lopsided and the referees are not the reason for success or no success in this series.

Marcus Smart is driving me crazy. Dude is playing with the biggest heart out there, getting so many clever steals, diving for lose balls. But his shot is really broken and his shot IQ is even worse. His pick & roll skills are countered by his sloppy play with the ball. And also his flopping is really really annoying to watch. LeBron vs Smart: you never know who is going to stumble, fall, hold his face etc. first. Glad the refs did not give him these calls. Reminded me of my man JJ Barea they way he was flopping the "elbow to the face".
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 6:40 am

hova- wrote:It's not what they call, you see it on many occasions. It's a league of the players and especially the stars. I see your point and I agree to a certain point (although I backchecked his highlights from the game and only saw it twice, the others, he did not shove or anything at all).

The officiating in general though is not very lopsided and the referees are not the reason for success or no success in this series.

Marcus Smart is driving me crazy. Dude is playing with the biggest heart out there, getting so many clever steals, diving for lose balls. But his shot is really broken and his shot IQ is even worse. His pick & roll skills are countered by his sloppy play with the ball. And also his flopping is really really annoying to watch. LeBron vs Smart: you never know who is going to stumble, fall, hold his face etc. first. Glad the refs did not give him these calls. Reminded me of my man JJ Barea they way he was flopping the "elbow to the face".


Marcus Smart can either make you or break you, the last two games he has broke the C's at times. His shot selection is horrible, and his flopping instead of playing hard defense is really frustrating to watch.

I wish the Celtics had tried to hit Tatum more off screens, or give Tatum screens in general. So much standing around, I think he needs to be even more of the offensive focus.

JJ Barea is one of my favorite players in the NBA. What a tough SOB, getting up and playing after that vicious hit from Bynum cemented it for me. He was so good, yet so annoying in that playoff run that opposing players hated him.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby [Q] on Wed May 23, 2018 8:35 am

Just like in the Pacers series, the Cavs have seized the momentum. Boston is not out of it like Indiana was but it will be an uphill battle for them
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Wed May 23, 2018 11:27 am

This LBJ fuss will never go away, hova. It's a moot point discussion all the time. Officiating in this year's playoffs have been surprisingly fair, and it doesn't matter to some people. LBJ still traveled.



Quite ecstatic though. LBJ's playoffs performance thus far has been one of the best in his career. Foolish me, thought his age has caught up to him and would take decline this year. In the meantime, most of his draft classmates have retired while remaining ones have gone to being shit players outside of Korver.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 11:36 am

NovU wrote:This LBJ fuss will never go away, hova. It's a moot point discussion all the time. Officiating in this year's playoffs have been surprisingly fair, and it doesn't matter to some people. LBJ still traveled.



Quite ecstatic though. LBJ's playoffs performance thus far has been one of the best in his career. Foolish me, thought his age has caught up to him and would take decline this year. In the meantime, most of his draft classmates have retired while remaining ones have gone to being shit players outside of Korver.



It's not just LBJ fuss, it's actual points being made with actual backing. It's relevant to bring up stiff arming on drives and getting away with it. LeBron James is not immune just because you like him, or others like him, or people think he is great. He is subject to criticism just like other players, just like when people complain about Harden. With many games just decided by a few points, him getting away with stiff arms so many times can absolutely change the outcome of games. He's not immune to the rules, or people thinking that he should have to abide by them like other players. You even know looking at those stills that those are offensive fouls, but it makes you uncomfortable to admit that about James, so you make comments like I've alluded to prior "People will always try and find a way to hate this man!", which is super predictable, and I knew you were going to react like that. And, just because it's an officiating issue, doesn't mean that it should just be "Thats how they call games" or it's "A superstars league", it's an actual issue and it's an eyesore to watch, and as stated prior it can alter outcomes. But, I doubt you thought about it that deeply.

The fact that they allow the stiff arming on his drives SHOULD be addressed, because it puts all defenses at a clear disadvantage. If it was another player doing it in the spotlight, I would be calling it out as well. Harden has been called out a ton for the shit he pulls in games, even Donovan Mitchell did (Afterwards apologizing). NovU, with a comment like that you prove how narrow minded you are. I can praise him for a performance (Game 7 he made some great plays), while also acknowledging negatives as well (The league allowing him to get away with that, and it happening so often). In the NBA rule book that is clearly an offensive foul. It's okay, LeBron makes mistakes, and gets away with stuff, it's not the end of the world and you will be okay. In the words for LeBron himself, I promise. :roll:
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby [Q] on Wed May 23, 2018 11:55 am

Anybody who drives to the rim pushes off in some form or another. It just might be more obvious for him since he's stronger or guys are flopping or whatever the case may be. It's a matter of whether the refs wanna call it on every play and let ticky tack calls slow the game down. But there's other aspects of the game like that regarding carries, traveling, push offs on step back jumpers, fouls when fighting for rebounds, hand checking, and more

Also, the fact that he's a unique freak of nature makes him hard to officiate like back when Shaq in his prime or even Randle late in the season would get hacked inside but no fouls were called because they're so strong it looked like it didn't even faze them
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Wed May 23, 2018 11:57 am

Man, seriously? That is some grade A bullshit attack. It doesn't make me uncomfortable but your constant bitching does.


Using arm is entirely legal, shoving is not. If defenders cannot turn them into fouls, it's entirely their bad. Ofc, we get to hear whining on officiating even before nothing started and now this. Celshits fans should do better. cmon sauru.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 12:00 pm

[Q] wrote:Anybody who drives to the rim pushes off in some form or another. It just might be more obvious for him since he's stronger or guys are flopping or whatever the case may be. It's a matter of whether the refs wanna call it on every play and let ticky tack calls slow the game down. But there's other aspects of the game like that regarding carries, traveling, hand checking, and more


Q, he gets away with it and does it more than any player I have ever seen. He also extends his full arm, not bends it and pushes off, completely extends it. Those are just 5 snapshots from a small highlight reel, do you know how many times this happened in the entire game?


Again, just because it's an officiating issue, or a league wide issue, doesn't make it any less frustrating or troubling. And when he gets away with it as many times as he does. En route to 40 points, it can be discouraging no matter which team you are rooting for. That's not good basketball, you know as well as I do that those are offensive fouls away that it should be cracked down on.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 12:05 pm

NovU wrote:Man, seriously? That is some grade A bullshit attack. It doesn't make me uncomfortable but your constant bitching does.


Using arm is entirely legal, shoving is not. If defenders cannot turn them into fouls, it's entirely their bad. Ofc, we get to hear whining on officiating even before nothing started and now this. Celshits fans should do better. cmon sauru.


Haha, yes! It got you to respond directly to me. I feel so accomplished tonight.

He is pushing off on a lot of them, and if the defender tries to knock the arm away (like offensive players due to defenders) they call the defender for the foul.

You can't extend your off arm completety , making contact with the defender, and it be legal. Which is why hooking isn't legal on layups, or on spin moves. If you extend your arm on a layup, and not pushing the other player but making contact with the other player, it's an offensive foul.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Wed May 23, 2018 12:18 pm

You're still on my foe list, but hova's reacting to your trolling had me curious. Again, my mistake for butting in, not good for mental health.

Everyone here are aware of basic rules, son. LBJ's usage of arm is legal, pushing and shoving happen all the time to certain degrees. If you think Jordan's infamous push off in final shot was nice and dandy, then there's no reason for this outcry.




It's quite amusing to see Celshits fans suddenly whining like lil bitches now that series is tied at 2 apiece.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 12:22 pm

NovU wrote:You're still on my foe list, but hova's reacting to your trolling had me curious. Again, my mistake for butting in, not good for mental health.

Everyone here are aware of basic rules, son. LBJ's usage of arm is legal, pushing and shoving happen all the time to certain degrees. If you think Jordan's infamous push off in final shot was nice and dandy, then there's no reason for this outcry.




It's quite amusing to see Celshits fans suddenly whining like lil bitches now that series is tied at 2 apiece.


I've talked about this before, it just so happens it's happening against the Celtics now, I mentioned the officiating vs the Pacers, but so soon you forget (or intentionally omit). I've also talked about James Harden and Chris Paul numerous times, and the shit they get away with, but you can't mention that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Trolling would be not being serious, or doing it to get a reaction, I'm just being honest and I'm totally being serious. So that's the wrong word. And no, it's not legal to drive to the hoop and stiff arm defenders, NovU.

Proud to be on a list, even if it is a "foe list". However, because it's you, I'm pretty happy to be on that type of list. I'm sure some other guys who made a lot of sense are on it with me.

Per NBA video book:

"Offensive players may not extend an arm to ward off a legal defender. On this play, the driving offensive player uses his forearm to ward off his legal defender in an effort to create space between him and the defender to attempt a field goal. This is an offensive foul."

In the video, the player wards off using his off arm while attempting the shot. But it's clear in the rules where it states that an offensive player can't extend his off arm to ward off a legal defender. Which is happening in all the stills I posted, and happens all the time when James drives.

Harden does this as well.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Wed May 23, 2018 12:47 pm

You sure can be proud of it, only one I've ever foe listed in my long tenure. Means something, lolz.

lol. It's gotta be frustrating for Celshits fans that their excellent defense is failing to turn LBJ's arm use into fouls. Again, it's perfectly legal to use your arm as long as contact doesn't happen or minimal within reasons. Geez, this is bball 101.

Your pics are no proof and stupid again to suit your needs and dirty lies to diminish LBJ. Why not post YT vid as you always do and tell us where fouls occurred and fouls were not called. As hova said, how about times when there was fouls on LBJ's drive. Have we forgot rules apply to both sides? Bottomline is you can't fault officiating for Celshits shortcomings and a lot of people are tired of your whining. Say your piece once and leave it at that, you wrote 1k essay on every replies. Cmon son.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Wed May 23, 2018 12:53 pm

NovU wrote:You sure can be proud of it, only one I've ever foe listed in my long tenure. Means something, lolz.

lol. It's gotta be frustrating for Celshits fans that their excellent defense is failing to turn LBJ's arm use into fouls. Again, it's perfectly legal to use your arm as long as contact doesn't happen or minimal within reasons. Geez, this is bball 101.

Your pics are no proof and stupid again to suit your needs and dirty lies to diminish LBJ. Why not post YT vid as you always do and tell us where fouls occurred and fouls were not called. As hova said, how about times when there was fouls on LBJ's drive. Have we forgot rules apply to both sides? Bottomline is you can't fault officiating for Celshits shortcomings and a lot of people are tired of your whining. Say your piece once and leave it at that, you wrote 1k essay on every replies. Cmon son.


Dirty lies to diminish LBJ? Hahahahahaha.

With that being said, nothing can top that. That defines you to a T NovU. LeBron shot 13 free throws in game 4, and was called for 0 offensive fouls. He also shot 15 free throws in games 5 and 7 against the Pacers (total of 30). You see your "favorites" side, I see both.

But man, that dirty lies comment is the best I've heard yet. Can't top it, won't try.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby shadowgrin on Wed May 23, 2018 4:51 pm

Loved the overanalyses from LeBron critics coming out like cockroaches after the Celtics went up by 2-0 and writing obituaries for a Cavs team with LeGOAT in it, any team with a dominant once in generation talent like LeBron will always have a chance of winning games.

The biggest surprise for me with the Cavs tying the series was them playing defense (worst defense in the regular season).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 12:20 am

Keys to tonights game for the Celtics:

1. Don't get in a hole early like games 3 and 4
2. Stay out of foul trouble - Find some way to limit LeBron to under 10 Free throws (This will be tough)
3. Same as I said for Game 3 in regards to Thompson and Nance - In game 4, they combined for 20 and 15, somehow Celtics have to find a way to cut that in half.
4. Hope they call LeBron for a couple stiff arm fouls (Not likely)
5. Get Tatum more involved offensively - Set more screens for him off the ball so he can catch and shoot, or catch and drive (Easy first step for him) - Tatum and Brown are the best on the team going downhill.
6. Make your damn dunks
7. Get the ball to Horford more on the block - Thompson can't guard him, neither can Nance. This should be exploited
8. Get out on the damn shooters - Watching the Celtics gamble OFF of Korver makes me cringe, hes shooting 46% from downtown in the post season. Celtics should never leave him.
9. Make a decision on whether to fight over screens, or switch, and make that the norm - Celtics seemed confused last game in regards to if they would be fighting over screens, and going under. This resulted in wide open looks off screens for the like of Korver and Smith, or opportunities off of on ball picks.
10. Run - pretty simple......

Prediction - Celtics 102, Cavs 96.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Thu May 24, 2018 12:28 am

Shadow,
You could say the same thing about coach Lue

For all the credit Stevens gets, which is deserved, what about the inability to get his team to play well outside their own stadium
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 12:33 am

air gordon wrote:Shadow,
You could say the same thing about coach Lue

For all the credit Stevens gets, which is deserved, what about the inability to get his team to play well outside their own stadium


The Celtics had a better road record than home record during the season:

Home: 27-14
Road: 28-13

Also, they won on the road against Philly, knocking them out 4-1 in a series where they were not favored.

Both teams won both home games in the playoffs, not a shocker at all and really speaks to nothing. The Celtics have been winning on the road all year.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Thu May 24, 2018 4:14 am

team 'x' is 1-6 on the road during the playoffs

may have spoken to soon on Tthompson
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Thu May 24, 2018 9:29 am

NovU wrote:This is why I appreciate Sauru's presence in our forum. The man is not afraid to call it what it is even though I still think he is a dictionary definition of ass fuck.



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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Thu May 24, 2018 9:33 am

i feel like the celtics blew their chance. they needed to take either game 3 or 4 to take this series. i can see them winning tonight but they will drop games 6 and 7. no way is lebron losing a game 7 in this series. either way both teams are playing for second place and i still love the future for the celtics.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Thu May 24, 2018 11:12 am

I'd have felt better about their chances if they could be coming into Game 5 up 3-1, but I won't count them out yet. I agree that home court advantage in a potential Game 7 may not be enough, if it comes to that.
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