2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

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Celtics in 4
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 12:25 pm

Looking good Celtics.

Let's not blow it in the 4th.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Thu May 24, 2018 12:42 pm

Cavs on a bit of a run, but LeBron looks exhausted in this one. Still showing bursts of energy, but nowhere near as aggressive.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Andrew wrote:Cavs on a bit of a run, but LeBron looks exhausted in this one. Still showing bursts of energy, but nowhere near as aggressive.


If Marcus Smart shoots one more bad three I swear I'm gonna lose it.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Thu May 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Interesting approach by double-teaming Horford, but it did effectively bring Boston's offense to a grinding halt on two consecutive plays.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Thu May 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
Andrew wrote:Cavs on a bit of a run, but LeBron looks exhausted in this one. Still showing bursts of energy, but nowhere near as aggressive.


If Marcus Smart shoots one more bad three I swear I'm gonna lose it.



sometimes i just want to punch the damn tv. shit bothers me so much. i wish more players understood their worth and focused on that instead of everyone trying to be steph.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 12:52 pm

Gotta love Lebron getting stuffed by Tatum, followed by dribbling it out of bounds and blaming his teammates.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Thu May 24, 2018 1:06 pm

3-2 Celtics. Let's see if a road win will end up deciding this series.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Thu May 24, 2018 1:15 pm

In 4 out of the 5 games in this series, LeBron has 29 assists and 24 turnovers. He's averaging 6.5 turnovers, and 7.2 assists in those 4 games. That's not gonna cut it. 6 turnovers and 5 assists tonight.

Also, what's up with being down by 16 with 3 minutes to go and sitting out the rest of the game? The score was 91-75 with 2:53 to go. That's not a give up point, that's a final push point.

Celtics got away with a foul on Kevin Love late in the 4th.

The comeback the Cavs had in the 4th was led by Jeff Green, who was attacking and hit that big three in the corner.

If the Celtics plan on winning this series, it can't be bombs away like it was at the beginning of the 4th. I understand open threes, but those contested threes by Smart and Brown were horrible shots. Celtics need to attack the basket at that point and put pressure on the defense.

Hope they end it in Cleveland, but I doubt it.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Fri May 25, 2018 3:01 am

Dee4Three wrote:In 4 out of the 5 games in this series, LeBron has 29 assists and 24 turnovers. He's averaging 6.5 turnovers, and 7.2 assists in those 4 games. That's not gonna cut it. 6 turnovers and 5 assists tonight.

Also, what's up with being down by 16 with 3 minutes to go and sitting out the rest of the game? The score was 91-75 with 2:53 to go. That's not a give up point, that's a final push point.

Celtics got away with a foul on Kevin Love late in the 4th.

The comeback the Cavs had in the 4th was led by Jeff Green, who was attacking and hit that big three in the corner.

If the Celtics plan on winning this series, it can't be bombs away like it was at the beginning of the 4th. I understand open threes, but those contested threes by Smart and Brown were horrible shots. Celtics need to attack the basket at that point and put pressure on the defense.

Hope they end it in Cleveland, but I doubt it.


So you take out a 12 assists / 3 turnover performance (game 3) to make the stats look worse? At least use all five games ... so it is 8.2 assists and 5.2 turnovers. Why not use the real numbers? Just to make it look worse? (these numbers are still not very good)

You really think down 16 with 3 minutes to go in a game where no one is performing above average is a push point? I don't agree.

It's not LeBron who is to blame although he was not playing well in game 5. It is really a problem that the Celtics backcourt can relax on defense (or switch on every possession) as the Cavs just don't offer a lot offensively. JR missing open threes or George Hill completely missing the rim on an open mid range shot (I also thought his body language was looking bad).

The Cavs are just not good enough to beat the Celtics when they are playing their regular game. LeBron is not to blame in my opinion. I'd rather give the Cs credits for their performance, showing that they are better than the Cavaliers, especially deeper. It feels like every player of the Celtics rotation would be a big help on the Cavs roster. Baynes playing well, even Smart just because the Cavs lack hustle and D.

Celtics will win the series I think, maybe even in 6.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 3:10 am

Those stats are accurate as a whole for those 4 games. Those are the actual assists/turnovers totals and averages for 4 out of the 5 games. And if that's the case, that's not acceptable.

In regards to being down 16 with 3 minutes to go in the Eastern Conference finals, he absolutley should have been in the game. That isn't out of reach yet. Three stops and three buckets puts them right back in the thick of it, especially if one or two of those shots are threes.I could see if they were down by like 24, but 16?

LeBron in the 4th was straight bad, the stumbling into the Tatum block, the dribbling out of bounds, the deep three with about 6 seconds to go on the shot clock that bricked. Kevin Love wasn't used really at all in the second half, after having a strong first half. Why was Love not used? Why was he not involved more?

I think LeBron hasn't been able to get teammates in rhythm in this series as a whole. Far too many times he is dribbling into the end of the shot clock and making a last minute decision. I also think Lue adjustments or lack of are horrible, a good example is his excuse for not playing Korver more in game 5.

I don't think the Celtics close out in Cleveland, unfortunately. But it will be tough for Cleveland to win in Boston.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackal on Fri May 25, 2018 4:59 am

"I'm going to use 4 out of 5 games as a barometer of X sucks.

Why are you using 4 out of 5 games to paint a picture of X?

Those are accurate. Those are actual. That's the case. It's not acceptable." /NLSCTrump


Lol, some Boston fans I tell ya. :lol:

Tatum is playing incredibly well for a rookie, don't get why Mark Jackson was ragging on Van Gundy for saying Tatum/Mitchell would probably go 1-2 if the draft was redone.

How did the Raptors fail so miserably against the Cavs?

JR Smith is trash.

Wish some of these games were a bit closer though. Still think the Indiana vs Cavs series was the best of the playoffs so far this year.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 5:29 am

Jackal wrote:
"I'm going to use 4 out of 5 games as a barometer of X sucks.

Why are you using 4 out of 5 games to paint a picture of X?

Those are accurate. Those are actual. That's the case. It's not acceptable." /NLSCTrump


Lol, some Boston fans I tell ya. :lol:

Tatum is playing incredibly well for a rookie, don't get why Mark Jackson was ragging on Van Gundy for saying Tatum/Mitchell would probably go 1-2 if the draft was redone.

How did the Raptors fail so miserably against the Cavs?

JR Smith is trash.

Wish some of these games were a bit closer though. Still think the Indiana vs Cavs series was the best of the playoffs so far this year.


4 out of 5 games is the majority of the series. Nothing to do with being a Celtics fan.

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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Fri May 25, 2018 5:54 am

Jr Smith sure is trash

They should both put on home uniforms or something

I agree this series hasn't been a fun watch
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby [Q] on Fri May 25, 2018 5:55 am

8 APG and 5 turnovers per game still makes me feel like he's doing more good than bad. I'd much rather have the ball in LeBron's hands and turn the ball over attempting to pass to a teammate for a layup than JR Smith playing hero ball and jacking up a contested 25 footer, which is basically a turnover but not counted as one. Efficient players in the past like Steve Nash have had high turnover numbers simply for the fact that they handle the ball for their team for 35-40+ minutes (and in Nash's case, a faster pace). At the end of the day, the Cavs have the best chance of winning with the ball in LeBron's hands.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 6:00 am

[Q] wrote:8 APG and 5 turnovers per game still makes me feel like he's doing more good than bad. I'd much rather have the ball in LeBron's hands and turn the ball over attempting to pass to a teammate for a layup than JR Smith playing hero ball and jacking up a contested 25 footer, which is basically a turnover but not counted as one. Efficient players in the past like Hornets CP3 and Steve Nash have had high turnover numbers simply for the fact that they handle the ball for their team for 35-40+ minutes. At the end of the day, the Cavs have the best chance of winning with the ball in LeBron's hands.


We will agree to disagree on how much he has the ball in his hands. Because I think its too much, and it makes it almost impossible for anybody else to get into a rythym (Like Kevin Love hardly touching the ball at all in the second half). LeBron is not making capable players around him better. JR Smith is not trash, but this is how some people on here operate.

Greg Monroe is trash
Jr Smith is trash
Jordan Clarkson is trash
Rodney Hood is trash
Tyler Ennis is trash
This team has a bunch of trash

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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackal on Fri May 25, 2018 6:14 am

At least the series almost being over will get the Lebron show on the road. What will he do? What won't he do? The Cavs are in a tough spot talentwise with the contracts they have on the books. It's pretty amazing how Lebron is Lebronning while Melo/Wade & Bosh are pretty much done with.

What happens with the Celtics by the way? Rozier won't be content backing up Irving full time, right? How about the forward rotation with Hayward coming back? Insane to think they have three first round picks in the 2019 draft too.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 6:18 am

Jackal wrote:At least the series almost being over will get the Lebron show on the road. What will he do? What won't he do? The Cavs are in a tough spot talentwise with the contracts they have on the books. It's pretty amazing how Lebron is Lebronning while Melo/Wade & Bosh are pretty much done with.

What happens with the Celtics by the way? Rozier won't be content backing up Irving full time, right? How about the forward rotation with Hayward coming back? Insane to think they have three first round picks in the 2019 draft too.


I think the Celtics trade Rozier while his value is high, as opposed to losing him for nothing when he hits free agency. His value has never been higher, this is the time. I think the forward rotation as I stated prior can fit Brown, Tatum and Hayward all in the same lineup, with Horford at Center and Kyrie at the point. That lineup is perfect for small ball era, and we will still have Marcus Morris and Marcus Smart coming off the bench. Tatum, Hayward and Brown are interchangeable between the 2, 3 and 4 positions, no reason to not start them all together.

Keeping Smart makes sense, because he is comfortable in his role and has already hit his ceiling. Just like before Evan Turner left (Brad saw the value in him, got the best out of him, and wanted him to stay), Brad gets the best out of Smart and sees the value in him. Smart knows hes not a max player, and his bread and butter and identity is in Boston.

I also think that they use that Rozier trade to create bench depth, as I don't think they will package him with anybody to get a star player. Also possibly getting a pick or two in return (His value is pretty damn high at the moment).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby air gordon on Fri May 25, 2018 7:53 am

Also Thompson was trash last game

Rozier has been subpar the last 3. Not sure he is a lead guard on a contending team
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 8:05 am

air gordon wrote:Also Thompson was trash last game

Rozier has been subpar the last 3. Not sure he is a lead guard on a contending team


I think it's a team like the Suns who I believe have interest in Rozier, that I believe would make a move. I don't think it would be a top contending team. Orlando is another team looking for a PG, they would be another team in the mix I'm sure.

This would interest Rozier more I believe, for the fact that he would be able to make a name for himself and truly have an opportunity as a starter on an up and coming, young squad.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Fri May 25, 2018 8:59 am

hova- wrote:The Cavs are just not good enough to beat the Celtics when they are playing their regular game. LeBron is not to blame in my opinion. I'd rather give the Cs credits for their performance, showing that they are better than the Cavaliers, especially deeper. It feels like every player of the Celtics rotation would be a big help on the Cavs roster. Baynes playing well, even Smart just because the Cavs lack hustle and D.



i wish more people would see it this way. it seems whenever lebron loses people say "he does not have help" or they just flat out blame lebron. the celtics deserve credit for playing well. i guess when everyone continues to say they will lose it makes it hard to eat crow constantly so its just easier to say the cavs blew it
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Fri May 25, 2018 12:11 pm

NovU wrote:Korver's also from LeBron's 2003 draft class.

Melo acting like a bitch on IG gave me a good chuckle the other day :lol:

BTW, thank you for bringing the Add Foe thing to exposure. Makes browsing this thread less cancerous.

Sauru wrote:i wish more people would see it this way. it seems whenever lebron loses people say "he does not have help" or they just flat out blame lebron. the celtics deserve credit for playing well. i guess when everyone continues to say they will lose it makes it hard to eat crow constantly so its just easier to say the cavs blew it

old man what you on about? everyone is praising the young celts team and brad stevens much like they did back with the pacers. but do you disagree that if LeBron had at least two-three good(not even franchise lead worthy, just good--what kevin love was supposed to be) and consistent players with him, he would have beaten the celts?
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby shadowgrin on Fri May 25, 2018 12:45 pm

That game was all Celtics defense, made the Cavs commit more turnovers and attempt less shots.


Kevin Love has been playing with a partial tear in his left thumb since the Pacers series. Painkillers can help tolerate the pain but it will still affect his shooting and may be even his rebounding, it's not surprising he can be prominent then disappear in a game at times once the effect of the painkiller wears off.



Jackal wrote:How did the Raptors fail so miserably against the Cavs?

They tried to match the Cavs offense and (lack of) defense.

Cavs DRtg in that series was 112, Cavs DRtg in the regular season was 112, second worst in the league.
Raps ORtg in the series, 112. Regular season, 114. Only a 2 point difference.
We can rule out the Cavs playing better defense in that series vs the Raps.
Cavs made their usual defensive production, Raps made their usual offensive production.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Fri May 25, 2018 12:52 pm

Kevin Love turns into Fat Love whenever Cavs are on the verge winning a series or blowing out a team it's hilarious
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Fri May 25, 2018 12:53 pm

SoF'nAwesome wrote:
NovU wrote:Korver's also from LeBron's 2003 draft class.

Melo acting like a bitch on IG gave me a good chuckle the other day :lol:

BTW, thank you for bringing the Add Foe thing to exposure. Makes browsing this thread less cancerous.

Sauru wrote:i wish more people would see it this way. it seems whenever lebron loses people say "he does not have help" or they just flat out blame lebron. the celtics deserve credit for playing well. i guess when everyone continues to say they will lose it makes it hard to eat crow constantly so its just easier to say the cavs blew it

old man what you on about? everyone is praising the young celts team and brad stevens much like they did back with the pacers. but do you disagree that if LeBron had at least two-three good(not even franchise lead worthy, just good--what kevin love was supposed to be) and consistent players with him, he would have beaten the celts?


Kevin Love is good, he's just not allowed to get into a rythym or play his game.

And the cancerous comment makes you sound like a teenager.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Fri May 25, 2018 1:32 pm

SoF'nAwesome wrote: but do you disagree that if LeBron had at least two-three good(not even franchise lead worthy, just good--what kevin love was supposed to be) and consistent players with him, he would have beaten the celts?



i figured the cavs would still beat the celtics. in fact i still think they will.

i also think the media seems to be giving all the credit to brad stevens. basically they are saying he is simply out coaching everyone. now i believe he is a great coach but i have had to deal with this same argument with belichick and brady forever it seems. he has done an amazing job coaching but the celtics players are just better than people thought they would be.

honestly i just hate when people say a team is losing instead of a team is winning. a great example is when people talk about okc blowing a 3-1 lead to the warriors. however in that case they are saying KD blew it and since KD is a bitch i allow it
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Sat May 26, 2018 8:39 am

Wow, both series are going distance. Conference finals are turning out to be the gem.

Being up 3 to 2, both the rockets and celtics cant their guard down. Their opponents are monstrous. Might be the year we dont see neither the warriors or cavs in the finals.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Sat May 26, 2018 11:48 am

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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby shadowgrin on Sat May 26, 2018 12:33 pm

It's more enjoyable to watch a dumpster fire than watching Jordan Clarkson play right now.
He's another stupid play away from being given the Mario Chalmers treatment by LeBron.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Sat May 26, 2018 12:41 pm

LeBoston at it again.

Game 7 for both conference, book it.



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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sat May 26, 2018 1:03 pm

Looks like a game 7 between the Boston Celtics (LeBoston if you are 13 years old and trying to be cool, or Celshits if you are 13 years old and suck at making up stuff while also trying to be cool) and LeBron James (Or LeBroston, or LeGoat if you are also 13 years old and trying to be cool) and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Celtics have taken advantage of home court all playoff long. Hope to see them in the finals.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Andrew on Sat May 26, 2018 1:10 pm

I said Cavs in 5, I'll amend that to Cavs in 7. I was hoping for Celtics/Rockets in the Finals, but guess we're getting Cavs/Warriors Part 4. I may tune out, as I did in 2007.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sat May 26, 2018 1:12 pm

Andrew wrote:I said Cavs in 5, I'll amend that to Cavs in 7. I was hoping for Celtics/Rockets in the Finals, but guess we're getting Cavs/Warriors Part 4. I may tune out, as I did in 2007.


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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby shadowgrin on Sat May 26, 2018 1:34 pm

WHEN THE PRESSURE IS HIGHEST THE BEST SHINE BRIGHTEST!

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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Sat May 26, 2018 1:45 pm

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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sat May 26, 2018 1:47 pm

shadowgrin wrote:WHEN THE PRESSURE IS HIGHEST THE BEST SHINE BRIGHTEST!

ALL HEART! ALL HEART BABY!


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Yes, he has made a staple of that his whole career. He is CLUTCH under pressure. When the pressure is the highest, when a tying or go ahead shot is needed in the final 5 seconds of the game, look no further than.... wait....

The very contested miss lowered LeBron's regular-season success rate to a mere 10.6 percent in the past 10 seasons -- on 5-for-47 shooting -- when attempting a tying or go-ahead shot in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime.


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Thats as of May 1st 2016, 10 years of his NBA career. His percentage is less than half of the league average during that span. I couldnt find updated numbers.

But seriously, it's easy to get caught up in the moment. Remember, he went 0-4 just the other night in the 4th quarter. I wouldn't say that he "shines bright" when the pressure is on, considering 5-47 in 10 seasons on shots with 5 seconds to go in the 4th quarter is absolutely horrible, and the opposite of thriving under pressure. LeBron had a good game tonight (That three on Marcus Morris was a killer), lets see what happens in game 7. Pierce is also low on this list, but I never posted a mammoth sized picture of Pierce and stated WHEN THE PRESSURE IS HIGHEST PAUL PIERCE SHINES BRIGHTEST!. Because well, that wouldnt be accurate.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sat May 26, 2018 7:03 pm

shadowgrin wrote:It's more enjoyable to watch a dumpster fire than watching Jordan Clarkson play right now.
He's another stupid play away from being given the Mario Chalmers treatment by LeBron.

that play where he kept rebounding his miss and finally made the shot :lol:
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Sat May 26, 2018 7:27 pm

Dee4Three wrote:
shadowgrin wrote:WHEN THE PRESSURE IS HIGHEST THE BEST SHINE BRIGHTEST!

ALL HEART! ALL HEART BABY!


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Yes, he has made a staple of that his whole career. He is CLUTCH under pressure. When the pressure is the highest, when a tying or go ahead shot is needed in the final 5 seconds of the game, look no further than.... wait....

The very contested miss lowered LeBron's regular-season success rate to a mere 10.6 percent in the past 10 seasons -- on 5-for-47 shooting -- when attempting a tying or go-ahead shot in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime.


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Thats as of May 1st 2016, 10 years of his NBA career. His percentage is less than half of the league average during that span. I couldnt find updated numbers.

But seriously, it's easy to get caught up in the moment. Remember, he went 0-4 just the other night in the 4th quarter. I wouldn't say that he "shines bright" when the pressure is on, considering 5-47 in 10 seasons on shots with 5 seconds to go in the 4th quarter is absolutely horrible, and the opposite of thriving under pressure. LeBron had a good game tonight (That three on Marcus Morris was a killer), lets see what happens in game 7. Pierce is also low on this list, but I never posted a mammoth sized picture of Pierce and stated WHEN THE PRESSURE IS HIGHEST PAUL PIERCE SHINES BRIGHTEST!. Because well, that wouldnt be accurate.


Will you ever accept that LeBron James is one of the best ever? He does not have to better than MJ, Hakeem, Wilt, Magic, Bird or whatsoever, but he is still in the top tier of all time ... the treatment you are giving him is ridiculous. He is the number one star of his era (marketing plays a role, I am totally aware of that), his teams have had success more often than not (I consider any Finals appearance a success ... dude I love my man Dirk and he "only" stepped on the court in two finals. Still he is one of the best ever). It is so annoying to see you posting and posting and posting over and over again how bad LeBron is in differenct categories, whereas the comparable feats generally used for players (Finals appearances, rings, basic stats) just cannot make him look beyond top tier.

About that clutch category. He was clutch in this game. These stats say he is not a clutch shooter, but these stats also say that Jamal Crawford and Paul Pierce are not clutch. I still want these dudes to have the ball in their hand on every clutch situation. Other players are not even asked to shoot the ball in clutch situations, because their decisionmaking is so bad. I am sure we all agree that I rather have Kobe or Dirk shooting the ball late game than LeBron. LeBrons jumper is still only average (these playoffs feels slightly abover average) compared to those guys. In close late game situations, you cannot drive as easily and that takes away from his game. I still want his decision making in the clutch over that of most players in the league and I think he does fairly well late game - no matter what his FG percentage is.

I also found his defense to be better than in the other games of the series. He stood his ground and helped out more often, something James rarely does. I just think you cannot criticize his play in the whole series. He is asked for so much and playing so many minutes, his impact on the series so big. Stop hating.

About the game: I was really really disappointed by Al Horford. Dude was an All NBA 2nd teamer (close to first team in my opinion) during regular season and completely disappears in game 6. After noticing that he just does not want the ball on offense I tried to look more at his defense and even that was nowhere as good as in other games. It even felt like he was maybe hobbled by injury or something, he was so passive. When getting the ball in the paint he was so indecisive and hesitant, using pump fakes and jab steps and then giving up the ball.

For Tatum, you cannot expect him to carry the load from the get-go every time. I thought he did a good job in the 2nd half to kind of redeem his play in the first. Brown was really good, he is really working hard. Rozier is one tough mf. Dude shot the lights out and kept them in the game.

Overall both teams defense was not so good especially in the fourth. Cs were getting all of their buckets inside and transition D by the Cavs really got worse each quarter. For the Celtics, I thought their close-outs were very bad at times. That 2nd three by LeBron in the fourth that really broke their neck ... Marc Jackson said it was good defense. I thought Tatum was way too late considering that it was obvious LBJ would get back to his left step back jumper.

An really exciting series. I have not enjoyed the West Finals as much as the East, maybe because the Cavs and Celtics are kind of an antagonism: young Celtics squad that play really unselfish and is very deep and the veteran Cavaliers that would have gone fishing in the first round without LBJ.

/edit: okay I saw the "clutch" stat was about last 5 seconds. Well these situations are so tough to judge, I do not even care about the stat. Rudy Gay being top says it all. I still would give the Ball 100 out of 100 times to LeBrin if I had Gay and LeBron on my team :D

How can you compare this? Some of these shots might be spot up, some might be layups, some might be tough contested threes. That is just a silly stat.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sat May 26, 2018 11:13 pm

I do not consider him top 10 all time. This isn't just about comparisons to Jordan (which is being shoved down everyone's throat right now), it's about him in general.

That's an example when the pressure is on, that's why I posted it.

Do you have any idea how much I've seen cherry picked stats displayed (with not even the full story told) to heap praise onto him? I can give a lot of stats that go the opposite way, like the ones just mentioned.

Outside of stats, skill wise I just don't see him at the top of the NBAs greatest, plain and simple.

In regards to the game, Horford can't be a ghost, and the Celtics can't just have one or two people have an above average game. Rozier played above average... I feel like that's how road games have been going, the Cs will have one or two players step up, while everybody else is average or below.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby hova- on Sun May 27, 2018 12:43 am

Dee4Three wrote:I do not consider him top 10 all time. This isn't just about comparisons to Jordan (which is being shoved down everyone's throat right now), it's about him in general.

That's an example when the pressure is on, that's why I posted it.

Do you have any idea how much I've seen cherry picked stats displayed (with not even the full story told) to heap praise onto him? I can give a lot of stats that go the opposite way, like the ones just mentioned.

Outside of stats, skill wise I just don't see him at the top of the NBAs greatest, plain and simple.

In regards to the game, Horford can't be a ghost, and the Celtics can't just have one or two people have an above average game. Rozier played above average... I feel like that's how road games have been going, the Cs will have one or two players step up, while everybody else is average or below.


It's not about being top 10 or whatsoever. He is one of the best, one of the most successful and he has been the franchise player on most of the teams he has played for (yes I said most, Wade carried a lot of load in Miami). That alone makes him one of the top players to ever play the game. Put him top twenty, I don't care. Just don't try to make him look bad every time.

You say he had a "good" game after he posted 46/11/9 including 3 steals, shooting .51% from the field and 5-7 from downtown. Playing god damn 46 minutes! I see that you do not like how they refer to all the Jordan or Kareem records that he is breaking now. He is not Jordan, Jordan was a killer, a once in a lifetime player. But dude, game 6 from LeBron was not "good" it was a magnificent display of basketball. You are a true hater. And you have lost any objectivity.

Guess what, I don't like LeBron. I never liked him. He was my bitch when the Mavs beat Miami. But the last few years I saw a lot of improvement in his game. Especially his shot has improved. And I felt like he also has matured. I stay honest to the game meaning I can accept when players I really don't like (or even hate) have great games. And I have to accept that a lot of times since I don't like Harden, Westbrook and many others in the league right now who are successful.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun May 27, 2018 1:02 am

Lebron was insane in game 6. And it is insane the amount of minutes that he has played this season. Next game it will be his 100th playing 37,6 mpg. Insane.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 27, 2018 1:04 am

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Dee4Three wrote:I do not consider him top 10 all time. This isn't just about comparisons to Jordan (which is being shoved down everyone's throat right now), it's about him in general.

That's an example when the pressure is on, that's why I posted it.

Do you have any idea how much I've seen cherry picked stats displayed (with not even the full story told) to heap praise onto him? I can give a lot of stats that go the opposite way, like the ones just mentioned.

Outside of stats, skill wise I just don't see him at the top of the NBAs greatest, plain and simple.

In regards to the game, Horford can't be a ghost, and the Celtics can't just have one or two people have an above average game. Rozier played above average... I feel like that's how road games have been going, the Cs will have one or two players step up, while everybody else is average or below.


It's not about being top 10 or whatsoever. He is one of the best, one of the most successful and he has been the franchise player on most of the teams he has played for (yes I said most, Wade carried a lot of load in Miami). That alone makes him one of the top players to ever play the game. Put him top twenty, I don't care. Just don't try to make him look bad every time.

You say he had a "good" game after he posted 46/11/9 including 3 steals, shooting .51% from the field and 5-7 from downtown. Playing god damn 46 minutes! I see that you do not like how they refer to all the Jordan or Kareem records that he is breaking now. He is not Jordan, Jordan was a killer, a once in a lifetime player. But dude, game 6 from LeBron was not "good" it was a magnificent display of basketball. You are a true hater. And you have lost any objectivity.

Guess what, I don't like LeBron. I never liked him. He was my bitch when the Mavs beat Miami. But the last few years I saw a lot of improvement in his game. Especially his shot has improved. And I felt like he also has matured. I stay honest to the game meaning I can accept when players I really don't like (or even hate) have great games. And I have to accept that a lot of times since I don't like Harden, Westbrook and many others in the league right now who are successful.


Well done with the Wade in Miami comment. Totally agree.

He had a great game against the Celtics, I wasn't trying to be dismissive when I said good. He hit a lot of tough shots. And yes, the Mavs title run was sweet beyond belief, one of the best.

I still consider LeBron overrated. And that's fine, we have a different perspective there. In regards to improvement in his game, his defense has gotten worse, you have to talk about both sides of the ball Hova.

Either way, you and I are actually not arguing here. Thanks for breaking your opinion down more, nice to see. People in todays age seem to operate on short attention spans, where a "sentence" is used to describe something instead of a paragraph. Or a comment without explanation. Anything resembling a well thought out paragraph or paragraphs is considered word vomit, or "that was so long so I didn't read it". It's the reason why Twitter became popular and is still popular, everything is a soundbite it seems without any substance.

ESPN and the like knows this, which is why they don't tell the whole story with posts, it's always a quick blurb, sometimes just a word, followed by a stat that doesn't have the whole story told. They know that's what the majority will pay attention to and comment on, as opposed to making the post about the whole story with a couple paragraphs of an explanation.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby NovU on Sun May 27, 2018 1:31 am

Lol hova, dont slowly kill yourself.



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Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 27, 2018 1:33 am

I'm not sure NovU understands how stupid he sounds/looks with comments like that.

My brain hurts.
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Postby hova- on Sun May 27, 2018 2:30 am

Dee4Three wrote:I'm not sure NovU understands how stupid he sounds/looks with comments like that.

My brain hurts.



He is trolling you. That is why I don't even react to these kind of posts. I react to posts that are serious like yours, although we certainly disagree. I hope that you will maybe change your mind some day, since I know (from myself) that sometimes you judge players differently in different stages of their career (or maybe when new players come up).
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 27, 2018 2:41 am

hova- wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:I'm not sure NovU understands how stupid he sounds/looks with comments like that.

My brain hurts.



He is trolling you. That is why I don't even react to these kind of posts. I react to posts that are serious like yours, although we certainly disagree. I hope that you will maybe change your mind some day, since I know (from myself) that sometimes you judge players differently in different stages of their career (or maybe when new players come up).


This is kind of how NovU has always talked. Look at his past posts, some of it is trolling yes, but some of it is actually how he talks.

And yeah we disagree, but it's all good. Hopefully game 7 is a good one. Really hoping Horford can make more of an impact, he's had some big games in the playoffs.

I know Tatum is 20, but he's been the Celtics most consistent scorer in the post season. Celtics need to look for him early and often, and the C's should be attacking the hoop more early in order to put pressure on the Cavs in the paint.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 27, 2018 4:06 am

Kevin Love is out for game 7 due to the concussion protocol.

That takes away a great rebounder, and perimieter threat off the floor. Wish he was playing so Cleveland was at full strength, but this benefits the Celtics in my opinion.
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Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sun May 27, 2018 5:05 am

hova- wrote:He is trolling you. That is why I don't even react to these kind of posts. I react to posts that are serious like yours

i hope the irony is not lost on you
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Postby Lamrock on Sun May 27, 2018 6:48 am

Dee4Three wrote:Kevin Love is out for game 7 due to the concussion protocol.

That takes away a great rebounder, and perimieter threat off the floor. Wish he was playing so Cleveland was at full strength, but this benefits the Celtics in my opinion.

On paper yes, but I do wonder if this puts pressure on them. With Love out for game 7, they don't have the injury excuse if they lose. At home against an also shorthanded Cavs team, they will actually be expected to win. We'll see if they lay an egg or finish the job.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Dee4Three on Sun May 27, 2018 7:47 am

Lamrock wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:Kevin Love is out for game 7 due to the concussion protocol.

That takes away a great rebounder, and perimieter threat off the floor. Wish he was playing so Cleveland was at full strength, but this benefits the Celtics in my opinion.

On paper yes, but I do wonder if this puts pressure on them. With Love out for game 7, they don't have the injury excuse if they lose. At home against an also shorthanded Cavs team, they will actually be expected to win. We'll see if they lay an egg or finish the job.


Yeah that could be the case, I hope not. The pressure is certainly on.... even more now.

It's crazy.. the Celtics will need to rely heavily on a 20, 21, and 23 year old in a ECF game 7. Win or lose, this experience is something that all three of those guys will be able to build on for the rest of their careers.
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Re: 2018 PLAYOFFS: (2) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

Postby Sauru on Sun May 27, 2018 8:13 am

Lamrock wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:Kevin Love is out for game 7 due to the concussion protocol.

That takes away a great rebounder, and perimieter threat off the floor. Wish he was playing so Cleveland was at full strength, but this benefits the Celtics in my opinion.

On paper yes, but I do wonder if this puts pressure on them. With Love out for game 7, they don't have the injury excuse if they lose. At home against an also shorthanded Cavs team, they will actually be expected to win. We'll see if they lay an egg or finish the job.



i dont think this adds any additional pressure at all. its game 7 of the eastern conference finals and everyone has been saying they should have lost every step of the way. the pressure is 100% on lebron as if he loses to the team kyrie went to without kyrie (and hayward) its gonna be a hit on his legacy and that is all he has played for the last ten years.


maybe i will be under the most pressure to not break my tv when smart puts up another 3-4 stupid ass fucking 3 point shots
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