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Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby [Q] on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:15 am

No surprise here as he's been "away" from the team since his latest injury. At this stage in his career, is he more trouble than he's worth? Sure, he still put up decent scoring numbers, but with the injuries and him mentally checking out all the time, you kinda want some consistency at your PG spot if you are looking to win the title.

I've never thought that he was an MVP-caliber player even when he won it. But to me now when people think of him they think of the MVP Rose, not who he is today. Would you want him on your team?
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:27 pm

For added context: Derrick Rose Reportedly Taking Leave from Cavaliers to Evaluate Future in NBA

While I wouldn't say he was hands down the MVP in 2011, I still believe he had a good case, and wasn't an inappropriate choice at the end of the day. However, all the injuries since then have clearly taken their toll, not only physically but also mentally. It's understandable of course, but it doesn't really bode well for his future in the league. If the fire's not there, so to speak, he's unlikely to even be just a solid player for the Cavs or anyone else.

It's a shame because the talent was there, and I guess still is. He's even shown some of his old explosiveness at times. It just seems like there's been too many setbacks, to the point where it appears as though he's wondering whether he wants to keep playing. Granted, that's just me speculating, but that's the vibe I get from that report. Again, it's understandable after so many setbacks and unlucky breaks, but if he can't work through it, it's difficult to see him being a consistently productive player in any role.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:24 pm

It's such a sad story.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:24 am

Is it just a sport problem ? Is he really in mental shape to continue ?
He looks some kind depressive.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby air gordon on Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:49 am

On a 1yr veterans minimum contact? why not
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Andrew on Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:28 am

sticky-fingers wrote:Is it just a sport problem ? Is he really in mental shape to continue ?
He looks some kind depressive.


If nothing else, it's sounding like his heart isn't really in it anymore.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby koberulz on Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:00 pm

Was it ever, or was basketball just what he happened to be good at?
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Andrew on Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:27 pm

He showed competitiveness with hard-nosed play early on in his career, and he did pursue a career in professional basketball in the first place, which requires a significant amount of passion, commitment, and continued dedication. He also kept trying to make a comeback and continue his career long after securing guaranteed contracts that could've allowed him to walk away and still end up with a lot of money. With that in mind, it's fair to suggest that at one point, his heart truly was in it.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:19 pm

He let someone take his SAT for him just so he can continue to play basketball. He was willing to cheat and did, he did love the game. Rose could have done an Anthony Bennett after he got drafted but he still played hard and improved his game, he likely loved the game even as a pro.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby volsey on Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:38 pm

koberulz wrote:Was it ever, or was basketball just what he happened to be good at?


I mean if you watched literally a few games of him ever you'd know his heart was in it. I don't know how someone could become the MVP of the league of the highest level if they didn't exhibit passion and heart... He was a competitive aggressive point who played an aggressive physical style of play, and paid the price. Even if his heart isn't in it anymore could you really blame him? Coming off MVP, getting a semi-freak incident, working so hard to return to your former level of play only to have injury's over and over. Would be frustrating beyond anything I've endured that's for sure. Especially when it is somewhat out of your hands.

I've always struggled to interpret his mannerism, however it wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's some depression or confidence seeding in somewhere.

Forget the vet minimum, leaving all that Adidas money on the table is not worth retiring. With the expectations, and his low salary, I really hope he at least perseveres until IT comes back and he can take an old man's bench role with Wade.

Fucking shame. Honestly last season with New York he was still a joy to watch when healthy, and I don't know the numbers but weren't they somewhat competitive when he did actually play???

Either way I hope the best for him. Glad Cleveland seems to be dealing with his situation somewhat better than NY did (even though it was mostly his fault).
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby NovU on Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:57 pm

Heart talk usually is unprovable bullshit and case with Rose is no different.

Kid used to play with so much passion and fire just as most other superstars, everyone saw this and this is why we all miss good old days Rose so much. And such big heart and passion is exactly the reason why he came to become such a broken man. Playing at the level he did, was just too much for his body to handle. But he still kept coming back and pushed himself over his limit which in result was a series of injury.

I am sure you would feel so down too if you couldn't meet fans' and your own expectation due to your body keep breaking down only to become a joke of century. Heart? Its bullshit talk.

I wish to see him back on the court strong but my expectation is well kept just as for Wade. These old cats arent worth much anymore tbh imho. Harsh reality,
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:20 am

volsey wrote:
koberulz wrote:Was it ever, or was basketball just what he happened to be good at?


I mean if you watched literally a few games of him ever you'd know his heart was in it. I don't know how someone could become the MVP of the league of the highest level if they didn't exhibit passion and heart... He was a competitive aggressive point who played an aggressive physical style of play, and paid the price. Even if his heart isn't in it anymore could you really blame him? Coming off MVP, getting a semi-freak incident, working so hard to return to your former level of play only to have injury's over and over. Would be frustrating beyond anything I've endured that's for sure. Especially when it is somewhat out of your hands.

I've always struggled to interpret his mannerism, however it wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's some depression or confidence seeding in somewhere.

Forget the vet minimum, leaving all that Adidas money on the table is not worth retiring. With the expectations, and his low salary, I really hope he at least perseveres until IT comes back and he can take an old man's bench role with Wade.

Fucking shame. Honestly last season with New York he was still a joy to watch when healthy, and I don't know the numbers but weren't they somewhat competitive when he did actually play???

Either way I hope the best for him. Glad Cleveland seems to be dealing with his situation somewhat better than NY did (even though it was mostly his fault).


Well said, completely agree.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Lamrock on Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:30 am

Rose would apparently lose $80M from his Adidas deal if he retires, so I think he'll end up coming back.

I don't think he's really worth signing. Between the injuries, this incident and his disappearance last year, you can't rely on him to play. And when he does, he's a below average starter. Reminds me of Gilbert Arenas after the injuries and gun incident. Washed up player who should still be in his prime, but is more of a distraction than he's worth.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby air gordon on Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:12 pm

He's made enough money on and off the court. Doesn't need the rest of the adidas contract. Unless Reggie and the rest of his leech crew think otherwise

Walk away, Drose. Take a buy out, sign a day contract with the bulls, and retire. Reinsdorf can take care of him if he needs the financial help
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Sauru on Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:40 pm

need or not i dont see anyone walking away from 80 million
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby [Q] on Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:12 pm

Well Dave chappelle walked away from 50 mil. Plus rose signed a deal with adidas through 2025 so there's no way his body or his mental state makes it to 2025 without imploding
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Sauru on Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:09 pm

there is a huge difference in a comedian and an athlete though. you can be funny and get paid to be so until you die, athletes have a limited window in which to make their money. still it really depends on how he is financially. how has he handled his money.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby air gordon on Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:21 am

dude can still go to trade shows, sore knees and all, and sell autographed memorabilia. what a scam that is btw
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby I Hate Mondays on Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:14 am

I bet ya that in China he is still worth more than his actual weight in diamonds. He could literally go Kevin Spacey right now and people from that country would still love him. I've noticed there is a pretty huge database waiting for Rose to comeback to his 2012 level. They wouldn't even call it a miracle if that happens, they think it's just a matter of time and context.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby shadowgrin on Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:01 am

I Hate Mondays wrote:I bet ya that in China he is still worth more than his actual weight in diamonds. He could literally go Kevin Spacey right now and people from that country would still love him.

That type of treatment is reserved for their god-emperor Kobe, not Rose.
Kobe could slap Marbury and Kobe would still get to leave China in one piece.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:56 am

air gordon wrote:dude can still go to trade shows, sore knees and all, and sell autographed memorabilia. what a scam that is btw


Yeah, surely there'd be a way for him to fulfil some contractual obligations and at least get some of that money by being an ambassador for adidas. They could probably come to some agreement if he doesn't want to leave it all on the table.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby benji on Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:59 pm

I guess the Cavs players didn't want him to leave for good but like Iverson a few years ago he wasn't interested in a reduced role and maybe not even playing in games at times.

Since that article mentioned it, turns out the correct answer in the Beasley vs. Rose debate was Westbrook, who at the time everyone bashed the Sonics for taking 4th. Also UNATHLETIC Kevin Love over O.J. Mayo, Eric Gordon or Joe Alexander.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby [Q] on Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:23 am

Lol what happened to Joe Alexander? So much hype on him
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:50 am

Passing on a player because he's unathletic could still be considered a decent reason, much better than the Suns passing on Kawhi because he was nervous and made his suit a sweaty mess in his predraft interview.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby Sauru on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:53 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Passing on a player because he's unathletic could still be considered a decent reason, much better than the Suns passing on Kawhi because he was nervous and made his suit a sweaty mess in his predraft interview.



lots of teams passed on tom brady for that exact reason.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Fuck Brady. 18-1.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Report: Rose wants to return to Cavaliers after taking time away. Cleveland is expected to make a formal announcement concerning Rose's status on Sunday.


Cavs won 11 straight with Shumpert and Rose out. Don't know if I want a broken Rose to return...
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Postby I Hate Mondays on Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:04 pm

[Q] wrote:Lol what happened to Joe Alexander? So much hype on him


He had his ups and down in Europe. His was kinda valuable here.
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Postby benji on Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:14 pm

[Q] wrote:Lol what happened to Joe Alexander? So much hype on him

That's 2010-11 All-NBDL Team Member Joe Alexander buddy.

He's been playing for Maccabi because he counts as an Israeli or whatever. Finally added a consistent three point shot at age 29, he still didn't have one in the D-League a few years ago. It was probably the one skill he needed to keep getting chances with his nuts athleticism. Ryan Anderson was taken 13 picks later and he's going to have made over $100 million. Joe should have tried to make himself into the poor man's version of that, like Jason Kapono and Luke Babbit have taken shots at being the poor man's Kyle Korver for a while.

shadowgrin wrote:Passing on a player because he's unathletic could still be considered a decent reason, much better than the Suns passing on Kawhi because he was nervous and made his suit a sweaty mess in his predraft interview.

That was the thing though, despite having the highest body fat % of any drafted player (and admitting he was out of shape) he matched Beasley in all the drills and both destroyed JaVale McGee not to mention basically every other big that wasn't Joe Alexander. He also had put up huge stats at a major program. Love's not unathletic at all, especially for basketball.

Actually looking at the results, it looks like Westbrook might have dogged it during the combine lol

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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby [Q] on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:36 am

IIRC Love always had a great well-rounded skill set though and was a willing passer. At the very least, the rebounding was virtually a guarantee to transfer over, as good rebounders in college do well in the NBA. And the UCLA pedigree helps
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby mp3 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:00 am

Iam so glad the knicks didnt waste any more time on Rose, I've always being a big fan of his and he did play well his lone year in NY but those injuries plus you have to question how much is that he really wants to play basketball or simply how much he doesn't want to leave that type of money on the table from retiring.

And to think there were so many knicks fans pissed because we didn't resign him even after he went awol even after he got hurt again and when you look at our team this year the only headlines we make are good ones and if there is any drama it's more about "why isn't Willy getting any mins" or "should we resign Kanter" and I have to say it's refreshing
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby air gordon on Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:45 am

shadowgrin wrote:Fuck Brady. 18-1.

:lol: try to keep it in your pants, Sauru

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i think a lot of people get caught up on the occasional flashy move Rose makes vs the stats. at a veteran's minimum contract, he's worth the risk/headache. the cavs been doing fine without him anyway.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby mp3 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:59 am

Yeah he's worth the money he's getting now but like I said his injuries and desires are what makes the headlines now and after years of drama in NY with Melo it's nice that the focus is on basketball again.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby DaCrispy on Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:54 am

He could take it easy by leaving the NBA and moving to China :D



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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby volsey on Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:03 am

And now likely requiring another surgery to remove bone spurs, which he withheld from the team; his absence to make up his mind becomes more clear. Imagine undergoing the number of surgeries and procedures he's had, and continuing to go back to the cause of those injuries or incidences. Money ain't everything, best of luck D Rose.
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby [Q] on Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:46 am

Cavs have also won 13 straight without him. Coincidence or addition by subtraction??

But Rose insisted on Friday that his agreement with Adidas has no bearing on his future in the game.

“Man, I don’t care about — not to be rude — I don’t care about no f***ing money,” Rose told reporters, via ESPN.com’s Dave McMenamin. “It’s not about that. I’ve saved up enough money. It’s not about that. If I wanted to leave, I would have left. Like I said, coming back here, starting with rehab that’s my first step. Keeping it simple and just giving my team support and then I’ll see what I see off the court.”
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Re: Is Derrick Rose worth anything?

Postby air gordon on Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:07 am

hiding the bone spur thing is rather amusing but i think the cavs med/training staff were in the wrong for not catching it.

hell yeah, i love those quotes by Drose. really, when someone prefaces their comment with "not to be rude" you know it is and for some reason it get's excused.
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