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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:16 am

I know Greg Monroe fell out of the starting lineup last year, but he has always been a good player, and he is only 27. His per 36 last year matched up well with the rest of his career, and hes an efficient scorer and rebounder.

Not saying he has the same value as Bledsoe, but he does have some value. Not sure what they will do with him, though. It looks like they are unsure at this point.


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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:06 am

Monroe to me is kinda like Shareef Abdul-Rahim. Good players but not good enough to be good big men which they are supposed to be.



Looks like the Bucks are trying to be a serious contender this year as expected, they got real good chance with Giannis coming along nicely. Middleton is also great. Brogdon is nicely developing perhaps Bledsoe improves the team further. And Jabari Parker should be back at some point.

But seems like they're little thin at 5 now with only Thon Maker and John Henson.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby [Q] on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:11 am

Who the hell knows what the suns are doing with their young talent.
They've now traded dragic, thomas, bledsoe, Morris twins. They also kinda lucked out that Booker's become a good scorer but who knows they'll probably trade him too. Bad teams always find a way to mess it up.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby [Q] on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:12 am

NovU wrote:But seems like they're little thin at 5 now with only Thon Maker and John Henson.

They should sign Larry Sanders lol
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:20 am

NovU wrote:Monroe to me is kinda like Shareef Abdul-Rahim. Good players but not good enough to be good big men which they are supposed to be.



Looks like the Bucks are trying to be a serious contender this year as expected, they got real good chance with Giannis coming along nicely. Middleton is also great. Brogdon is nicely developing perhaps Bledsoe improves the team further. And Jabari Parker should be back at some point.

But seems like they're little thin at 5 now with only Thon Maker and John Henson.


Except Shareef Abdur Rahim was a good SF and PF, basically half of his career was at SF, and half at PF. A career 18.1 PPG and 7.5 RPG, also a former all-star. Abdur-Rahim was 6'9" and played well above average at both positions. Greg Monroe rebounds and scores at a rate higher than the average Power Forward in the NBA.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:27 am

Very wrong. He was a powerforward. Vancouver was my home team so I had luxury of enjoying their successful 15 wins season each year. Not sure whete u got that idea he was a sf. Perhaps yt vid of him playmaking fooled u.



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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:48 am

He was listed as a SF on Basketball Reference all of his years in Vancouver

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdursh01.html

And he was a good PF, and played good at the SF. He played well at both positions, he was an all star. That's the point I am trying to make.

He's also called a SF in articles

http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2016/1/11/shareef-abdur-rahim-deserves-your-remembrance

"With the Grizzlies, Abdur-Rahim was joining a team bereft of talent. Their best player upon his arrival was Bryant “Big Country” Reeves, the sixth overall pick from the year prior. The rookie small forward averaged 18.7 points and 6.9 rebounds per game and came in third in Rookie of the Year voting behind Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury."

Also, In the 99-00 season, he started at the SF position for the entire season. Othella Harrington started at PF all 82 games, and Big Country Started all 82 games at Center.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby [Q] on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:55 am

I believe nba live had him as a sf for much of his early career and then pf later in his career
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:58 am

I said he was good player but never a good big man which he was supposed to be.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:04 am

NovU wrote:I said he was good player but never a good big man which he was supposed to be.


Except he was an all star as a PF with Atlanta when he averaged 21.2 PPG and 9.0 RPG. He was a good Power Forward NovU, he was a good big man.

With Vancouver being your home team, how did you not see that he played SF for years with them? Did you not catch when they announced the starting lineups? or notice that Othella Harrington was on the team and started all 82 games at PF in 99-00? Did you not notice that Tony Massenburg and sometimes Michael Smith would start at PF while Rahim was at SF in 98-99?
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:09 am

CBS Sports' analysis of the trade is solid. Getting Monroe in return for Bledsoe after banishing the latter and seemingly throwing away any leverage does put the Suns' front office ahead of the Bulls' and Knicks' brass, but all the players leaving with bad blood does indicate a toxic and dysfunctional culture all the same.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:13 am

For fucks sake, semantic my friend semantics :facepalm2:


Shareef was a big man that didn't play like one. Same with Monroe. Good bigs are force down low, usually. Otherwise they were good bball players. What is this obsession of yours? Isn't this a pointless discussion?
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:16 am

Semantics? You said I was very wrong, but it was you who was. You made a mistake.

And Abdur-Rahim played back to the basket and face up, just like Monroe. He was a BIG MAN, he played power forward and he played it well, enough to be an all star.
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Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:20 am

Exactly. A good big man that was soft. A good big man ala Monroe. Suns should be crazy about to let a good big man walk.
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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:22 am

Soft? Monroe soft? Monroe is the opposite of soft the way he plays, Abdur-Rahim wasn't soft either.

What are you even talking about?
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Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:26 am

Raheem was soft.
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:31 am

NovU wrote:Raheem was soft.


*Rahim was not soft. I watched a lot of Abdur-Rahim (and actually remember him playing SF and PF) and there is a reason he was a good rebounder like he was, and a reason why he averaged what he did. Back to the basket, points in the paint, mid range. He was above average at all three, as well as an above average rebounder.
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Postby Sauru on Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:24 am

at some point you 2 are gonna need to get a hotel room or something
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:39 am

Sauru wrote:at some point you 2 are gonna need to get a hotel room or something


No no no, I want to make something clear.

I was told I was very wrong about Abdur-Rahim playing small forward, and I came back and proved that he absolutely did. If I am going to be accused of something, or told I am very wrong, I will come back to prove I am right. Which I did.

It was also implied that Monroe was soft via "A good big man that was soft, a good big man ala Monroe", but after saying that nonsense him backtracking and saying it was just "Raheem", which of course he meant Abdur-Rahim. I will obviously contest that.

If someone says that a player wasn't a good big man, and he was an all-star at that position with over 20 PPG and 9 RPG, and proved time and time again he wasn't soft, I will contest that.

My initial thoughts on Greg Monroe are valid, he is not over the hill, he is in his prime, and he has had many good years at the PF position, he is a tough big man. I don't consider him a throw away, I consider him a player that can absolutely help a team. That was my point. Abdur-Rahim was brought up by NovU as a comparison.
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Postby shadowgrin on Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:31 am

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Re: Suns Finally Rid Themselves of Eric Bledsoe....

Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:56 pm

Shareef was a definition of softness. He roams around the paint but can't block, easily pushed around, can't stand his ground. Odom and Dirk were better in that regard. Each to own, I guess.


Dee, stop being a mental. I care not about your opinion, let mine not bother you either. To me, he was a shit big man even though he tried to be one. I will say Anthony Mason and Oakley were better big men than Shareef. Shareef to me was a good player but never a good big man since he never played like a true big. I can't understand why you try so hard to change this opinion of mine and what importance is it to you, shut up now thanks.
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:59 pm

You are a full blown idiot NovU.

I can't even believe it....
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Postby NovU on Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:59 pm

This obsession of yours with me is beyond my understanding. :facepalm2:

Back to the topic, Giannis erupts for 40 points against LBJ. Can Bledsoe put Bucks over the top?
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Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:02 pm

Just stop..

Please...
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