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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 am

air gordon wrote:
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what you are saying is coaching has no effect on the game and its 100% on the players?

you tell me. what makes a coach a good coach? specifically a championship level coach.


What do YOU think makes a championship level coach. What qualities do YOU think they should have, Air Gordon?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:11 am

NovU wrote: Gordon's injury offered opportunities for the team, and they took full advantage of it.


i agree with this 100%. i actually said (even though i hated saying it) at the time of his injury that this is simply the best possible time for an injury like this to happen. we are not winning it this year even with hayward so him going down only gives more time for our young guys to gain experience. the celtics are set up for future years and if guys like brown continue to improve at such a rate we will be damn hard to stop. gonna be damn hard to keep them all also
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 pm

Dallas is going to end the streak tonight


We were up by 15, and Smart kept jacking shots up, literally 1-9 from three. He is playing putrid basketball. If there's one knock I have on Stevens, it's him allowing Smart to be the offensive go to with the second unit. Smart literally shoots an average about 2 for 10 every game, this game it was our undoing. Marcus, stick to what you are good at, STOP SHOOTING SO MUCH.

Offensively, the Mavs are just continually going to mismatches (like Tatum guarding Dirk, and Barnes being guarded by Irving).

As I type this, Smart fouled JJ on a three.

I'll be shocked if we win this one.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 pm

KYRIE FUCKING IRVING!!!

16/22 from the floor, 5-7 threes, 47 points. Jayson Tatum was also really clutch on the boards in OT, and scoring in the 4th.

We didn't deserve this one, but damn what a finish.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:13 pm

Every streak has its close calls and lucky breaks until it finally ends. As it stands, the run continues. Looking at the schedule, they've got a good chance of tacking on a couple more. If not, sixteen in a row is still impressive, and they're a team to watch.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:34 am

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Nice work by Miami to end the streak. Waiters is so good when he's on, Dragic solid per usual.

Tatum with the good performance, but us getting down every game by double digits and winning couldn't be sustained.

Let's see how we deal with our next game after a loss.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:14 pm

I mentioned the streak, so as always, I take full responsibility for it ending. If it's any consolation, I've jinxed the Bulls far more often in recent years.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:04 am

I continually (On here and on Facebook) talked about how bad I wanted the Celtics to go after Drummond in the offseason, rumors were swirling at one point. Last night is why.

And his improved free throw shooting is just the icing on the cake. He is in his 5th year in the league, only 24. A stud defensively, a stud on the boards, moves in the post, and can run the floor very very well. We had no answer for him last night.

Tobias Harris was awesome, we couldn't seem to match his energy. He was all over the floor, he was so confident with his shot.

The Pistons are well coached, I feel like they may be the best coached team at this point that the Celtics have played. They went to mismatches at every chance, they were running constant screens for Bradley and Harris to curl, defensively they had the right people on the right guys at all times. They look motivated and well balanced. If they can stay the course, they could be really dangerous in the post season. I certainly wouldn't want to face them in the playoffs.

Celtics played some solid defense in this one, but the Pistons when they are rolling are really tough to stop. Celtics also had some questionable shots down the stretch, and we were almost bailed out by Smart's three's (Yes, Smarts three's).
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jeffx on Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:23 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2212 ... er-dies-71


RIP to Celtics legend Jo Jo White. He was the original truth.

Game 5 of the 1976 NBA Finals........'nuff said. One of the greatest playoff performances in league history. I'll always remember Jo Jo sitting on the court exhausted in that triple OT game.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 am

Sort of an overlooked player, which I guess is inevitable with all the greats who played for the Celtics through the decades. It's good that they finally inducted him into the Hall of Fame a few years back, before his passing. RIP.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:36 am

my god this trade just keeps looking better and better for the celtics.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:11 am

Woj Bomb : "Greg Monroe will sign with the Boston Celtics, league source tells ESPN."

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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:46 am

While I like the pickup, I'd really like to see Theis get more minutes (I hope this hurts Baynes more than Theis). I like how mobile Theis is, he does a good job on guards out on the perimeter when switches happen. He is also a solid shot blocker and can hit the three.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby [Q] on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:44 am

The rich get richer? Whatever happens in the postseason, remember you lost to the Lakers lol
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:39 pm

I think it's a good move if Boston goes to the Finals.
But it will be a long road.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:47 pm

It certainly doesn't hurt to stockpile talent and stack your lineup as much as possible, especially these days. Time will tell if he's a good fit, but he's a talented big who can rebound and score inside. While stretch bigs are in vogue and the game has changed, I don't think the "traditional big" skillset is completely obsolete in today's NBA. It can change things up, and a good rebounder can be a great asset with the way teams bomb away from the three-point line.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby [Q] on Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:17 am

(Not so) Smart seems to have busted his hand after losing to the Lakers lol
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:41 am

[Q] wrote:The rich get richer? Whatever happens in the postseason, remember you lost to the Lakers lol


Well, I mean... considering Greg Monroe is a "shit big" according to some folks around here, this pickup is meaningless.

But in reality (lets stick to reality), Greg Monroe gives the Celtics what it needs off the bench... which is scoring and rebounding. Greg Monroe against other teams second units can do damage, and with his experience he will be a strong asset come playoff time. Marcus Smart has been the main shooter off the bench (He's shooting a blistering .357 from the field this season...). When we go to the second unit and he's running the show, it looks ugly at times. Greg Monroe gives us a consistent offensive option down low, he is far more skilled down low than other backup bigs (And some starting bigs). Smart may not even be with Boston after the trade deadline as it is (I wonder what Jordan Crawford is up to nowadays...).

Semi-kidding on Jordan Crawford, although he can put the ball in the hole. The signing of Monroe has been put on hold though so the Celtics can have flexibility before the end of the trade deadline. Personally, I'd like to see some lineups featuring Monroe and Theis, as Theis has proven to be a capable defender on the perimeter.

In regards to a move for Smart, I've never been sold on him. He's a hustle machine, but he's a bonehead at the same time. For every great hustle play he makes, he makes a dumb play. I think his value is that he is still relatively young, and he certainly gives a team a boost on the boards (at the guard position), and just overall defensively. The problem is: It's pretty well known that Marcus Smart has hit his ceiling, we have seen the best of him. So his value isn't high in that regard.

Knowing that we are going to make a strong push this year for a title, hard for me to stomach just giving him up for a pick. If we do, obviously I would want a first rounder. Would I package him with anybody for another player who can come in and contribute right away on the bench? I'm willing to part with Semi Ojeleye and Abdel Nader, and as much as I love what Baynes brings to the table sometimes, if we bring in Monroe and have Theis also as a big, I could let Baynes go. I am more fond of Theis and what he brings on both offense and defense.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:01 am

It seems like Smart fancies himself to be a better shooter than he really is. That's a liability no matter the era; when you're not a versatile, multi-faceted talent, you've got to stick with what you're good at, and not try to be something you definitely aren't. By all means work to add something to your game, though preferably in practice, not games that count.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:11 am

Andrew wrote:It seems like Smart fancies himself to be a better shooter than he really is. That's a liability no matter the era; when you're not a versatile, multi-faceted talent, you've got to stick with what you're good at, and not try to be something you definitely aren't. By all means work to add something to your game, though preferably in practice, not games that count.


Agreed. Smarts shot selection is horrible...and as much as I love Brad Stevens, I scratch my head at the fact that he has let that Shor selection go on for so long. He has single handedly put us in a hole in some games because of his shooting.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:36 pm

I am starting to doubt whether Celtics should have offered a bit more for Tyreke Evans or not.
At the end of the day, Ainge was probably right though given that Grizzlies did not receive any better proposal. If they would rather let him walk for free that's their thing. :roll:
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby air gordon on Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:10 am

Dude they got Monroe. Championship!
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Sauru on Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:10 pm

air gordon wrote:Dude they got Monroe. Championship!



its a done deal. we probably gonna get KD next season because of it
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:12 am

Marcus Smart is out for the regular season and hopes to come back for the playoffs. How will this effect the team's chance in PO and rest of the way?

He was averaging 30 minutes per game and that is huge shoes to fill even though the Celtics are a deep team.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:17 am

NovU wrote:Marcus Smart is out for the regular season and hopes to come back for the playoffs. How will this effect the team's chance in PO and rest of the way?

He was averaging 30 minutes per game and that is huge shoes to fill even though the Celtics are a deep team.


I think that we can manage with Rozier logging more minutes at the 2, and Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum logging more minutes as well.

Rozier has shown to be effective off the ball at the 2. He is a capable rebounder like Marcus, and a solid defender. It's the playoffs, I'm sure logging extra minutes for these ridiculously young guys will be fine.

I also like Roziers decision making a lot more, as Smart puts up a lot of questionable shots (and shoots an abysmal FG%). If the Celtics run into a situation where Semi Ojeleye or Adel Nader need to log a decent amount of minutes, we could be in trouble. Semi while solid on defense, doesn't give us anything on the other end. And Abdel just isn't confident, he reminds me of James Young in that regard from last year. I think Brad will keep his rotations short and play those guys as little as possible.

I've never been a Smart fan, so obviously I think we can fair well without him. If he comes back for the Playoffs, I don't think he will come back and different from before. In fact, maybe it will discourage him from shooting so much and actually focus on what hes good at (On ball defense, hustle, rebounding, and sometimes distributing).
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu May 10, 2018 10:00 am

If Celtics decide to trade Rozier this off-season, what teams do you think would be interested and what would you consider fair market value?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 10, 2018 11:51 am

After the way he's performed in the postseason, I expect quite a few teams would be interested in his services. By the same token, I'm not sure that the Celtics would be in a rush to trade him.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Thu May 10, 2018 12:05 pm

The same could be said about Thomas and Bradley last off-season though.

Main thing is that next year will be his last of his rookie contract and I am not sure if Celtics are willing to go all in for him in the same off-season they got to re-sign Irving.

Honestly, I would be surprised if Danny doesn't try to move him now that his value is as high as it can get.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 10, 2018 12:15 pm

If Kyrie Irving hadn't become available, I'm not sure they necessarily would've traded Thomas. Those were rather noteworthy circumstances.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Valor on Thu May 10, 2018 12:21 pm

Depends on how badly Ainge can rip off the other party in a potential deal :lol: Dude's won every trade by a landslide recently.
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Postby Jackie Kong on Thu May 10, 2018 12:25 pm

Ainge also tried to move Thomas the off-season before for a top draft pick I think. No one is untouchable when it comes to Danny.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun May 13, 2018 9:37 am

So, you got Thomas, Bradley and Smart all becoming free-agents this off-season. What sort of salary do you expect them to get?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun May 13, 2018 12:07 pm

With the contracts we're seeing these days, at least one of them is probably going to get overpaid. I think Thomas' struggles this season has hurt his chances of a big payday, but you never know. He remain the most accomplished of the three.

I'm guessing the Celtics will be looking to retain Smart, but I'd be wary of overpaying for him. While he makes some great plays, his shot selection is still very suspect at times, and he's definitely not an All-Star calibre player.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Sun May 13, 2018 12:26 pm

Avery Bradley has also underperformed this season. Really curious to see what happens with those 3 and wonder if Bradley could be a realistic MLE option for the Celtics.

I also imagine the Evan Turner precedent might decrease their chances of getting paid. I mean, "don't trust stats coming from players coached by Stevens" might be a thing.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby JaoSming on Sun May 13, 2018 12:26 pm

20 mill a year for each, Smart probably won't be on the Celtics though :(
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Fri May 18, 2018 1:48 am

I am the only one who would like to see what Brad could do with Zach Collins? Also, wonder what Blazers would ask in return for him. Zach needs to get out of Portland I think or else he could be the next Meyers Leonard who was picked almost at the same position as him (10th, 11th).
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Fri May 18, 2018 10:33 am

No, enough with the project players.
I want to see Stevens have players that would contribute immediately to the cause of ending the GSW dominance, he deserves to be given better players in speeding up that cause for what he’s shown already with his coaching.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby NovU on Fri May 18, 2018 11:24 am

Yes. Very correct like one hundie and twenty percent correct. Brad deserves to be coaching a better team than Dirtics.

I actually want to see him as a GM. Is he shrewd enough to get the job done? Will his analytic moneyball attitude help him?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Fri May 18, 2018 2:49 pm

Collins could actually be a solid contributor with Stevens right from the beginning I believe.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue May 29, 2018 1:16 am

If you love Marcus Smart, you will hate this quote. If you wouldn't mind seeing him off the team, you may love it.

AND FINALLY… MARCUS SMART WANTS HIS $$

“To be honest, I’m worth more than $12-14 million,” Smart told Jackie MacMullan of ESPN. “Just for the things I do on the court that don’t show up on the stat sheet. You don’t find guys like that. I always leave everything on the court, every game. Tell me how many other players can say that.”


Personally, I love his hustle. But I've never been able to get past his shot selection and erratic play. I'm good if Boston moves him.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby shadowgrin on Tue May 29, 2018 1:34 am

Good, more money available to keep Tatum and Brown if the Celtics do let go of Smart.
Predicting it this early, he’s going to suck outside of Stevens’ system like Turner and Crowder.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue May 29, 2018 2:01 am

shadowgrin wrote:Good, more money available to keep Tatum and Brown if the Celtics do let go of Smart.
Predicting it this early, he’s going to suck outside of Stevens’ system like Turner and Crowder.


Totally.

I think this is the best Marcus Smart will ever be, which isnt the greatest as it is. I don't think he will have the same freedom (like Turner) on another team. His career will go downhill.
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Postby Andrew on Tue May 29, 2018 2:14 am

While Smart brings great defense to the table, his shot selection and questionable offensive abilities make him a liability. He's just as likely to follow up a great defensive play with two or three horrible decisions on offense. He's expendable. Rozier too, arguably.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby big-shot-ROB on Tue May 29, 2018 3:52 am

I love Smart's defense, and I think at offense, as much as he is criticized, he is a really good playmaker. But he thinks he shoots way better than he actually does, and for every great defensive play, he gives up 2 posessions on open or forced looks.

Right now, I am not resigning him for more than 6-7 M a year, and I doubt that any serious team offers more than that. He can take the QO and be an unrestricted free agent next season, but I wouldn't bet on myself if I was him.

I am not high on Rozier either, I just get a very strange Reggie Jackson feel from him. But he was asked to do way more than he should be doing, and I am content with keeping him next season off the bench. I am only trading him if Wendell Carter or Mo Bamba become avaiable.

We need to keep at least one of the two, or find a replacement. For Smart I think drafting Troy Brown Jr out of Oregon could work, but then you should re-sign Larkin as there's no way I want Rozier leading the play-calling in bench with Morris and Ojeleye in it.

The main focus is to get Irving, Hayward and Theis back healthy. And re-sign Baynes and Larkin, 5M for Baynes, min. for Larkin. If you can package Morris for a better bench scorer a la Belinelly then do it.


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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby NovU on Tue May 29, 2018 8:46 am

Not sure if there's a team that will pay Smart's asking price. He shot 36% field goal in 4 seasons, which is a number that makes Carter-Williams look like a great efficient shooter.

I find current version of Lance Stephenson and Smart similar. But perhaps there's a team willing to take chances on his youthfulness.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Tue May 29, 2018 1:43 pm

Sounds like he will end up taking the QO.

Smart overrates himself badly. Defense alone doesn't get you massive money unless you are an established defender with multiple awards on your back like Big Ben when he signed with Bulls. Smart can't even get into the all-defensive 2nd team.

Plus, after Josh Smith fiasco teams would think twice before paying big money to a player that does whatever he wants with the ball in his hands. :?
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Dee4Three on Tue May 29, 2018 1:52 pm

Jackie Kong wrote:Sounds like he will end up taking the QO.

Smart overrates himself badly. Defense alone doesn't get you massive money unless you are an established defender with multiple awards on your back like Big Ben when he signed with Bulls. Smart can't even get into the all-defensive 2nd team.

Plus, after Josh Smith fiasco teams would think twice before paying big money to a player that does whatever he wants with the ball in his hands. :?


Difference between someone who is great at defense, and knows his role (Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier), and Marcus Smart. Defense can be 90% of what a player does well, as long as they play a positive role on offense. Bowen knew that he was only out there on offense to space the floor and hit open shots, same with Battier. Tony Allen is another good example, he would slash to the hoop every now and than given the opportunity, but he knew not to force the issue. He knew that his role was to play great D, and not get in the way offensively.

Marcus Smart thinks he should be the primary ball handler on the floor at times, and shoots shots at the rate of an all star caliber offensive player when given the chance. His percentages show how poor of a decision that is, but he insists on continuing to fire.

The problem with Smart isn't that he is a horrible offensive player, it's where he picks his spots to shoot, how many contested shots he shoots, and where he shoots from. The other problem is, he doesn't really have the same length/size as a Battier or Bowen, so he can't guard positions 1 through 4 even in the modern day NBA.
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Re: Boston Celtics Thread

Postby Jackie Kong on Tue May 29, 2018 2:00 pm

Smart is not even a 3 d player. Bowen and Battier were far superior players and never them got paid massive money during their entire careers.

Bowen:

Season Team Lg Salary
1997-98 Boston Celtics NBA $422,500
1998-99 Boston Celtics NBA $507,000
1999-00 Chicago Bulls NBA $510,000
2000-01 Miami Heat NBA $733,000
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs NBA $715,850
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs NBA $3,550,000
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs NBA $3,650,000
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs NBA $3,000,000
2005-06 San Antonio Spurs NBA $3,375,000
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs NBA $3,750,000
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs NBA $4,125,000
2008-09 San Antonio Spurs NBA $4,000,000
2009-10 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $2,000,000

Battier:

Season Team Lg Salary
2001-02 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $2,203,080
2002-03 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $2,368,200
2003-04 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $2,533,440
2004-05 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $3,212,402
2005-06 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $4,903,000
2006-07 Houston Rockets NBA $5,393,300
2007-08 Houston Rockets NBA $5,883,600
2008-09 Houston Rockets NBA $6,448,900
2009-10 Houston Rockets NBA $6,864,200
2010-11 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $7,354,500
2011-12 Miami Heat NBA $3,000,000
2012-13 Miami Heat NBA $3,135,000
2013-14 Miami Heat NBA $3,270,000
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