Chicago Bulls Thread

[air gordon]

Not asking for your thesis on modern day socialism

if i asked you if you liked game of thrones, could you answer simply yes or no? haha

Of course we don’t know for sure how his career pans out. Feet to the fire, do you think he’ll be better than lopez or not? Simple question. And you won’t even be held accountable whatever your choice will be lol

[Andrew]

I love Games of Thrones.

[air gordon]

Ha who would known. You and Krystal steal have something in common

[Moz]

hard to not think the Carter pick was classic GarPax "safe" pick. Carter is another young player to the mix but doesn't significantly make the team better. supposedly they were deciding between sexton and carter...

I don't know if it's just me but from what I've seen from the scouting videos i watched, I reckon Carter's post moves was the most polished/advanced of all the lottery bigmen. I'm also curious that he might be able to do more now that he's not sharing the paint with a dominant bigman (Marvin Bagley at Duke in this case).

The Kings reportedly will try to make a run for Lavine. D'you reckon they should match whatever the Kings will offer? I haven't decided on Lavine yet tbh. He's pretty inconsistent but he just came out from injury so I want to test him for another season if there's a chance.

[Andrew]

If it's a big Otto Porter-like deal, let him go. I know I brought up the Bulls' history of missing out on marquee free agents over the years, but even so, you don't just throw away cap space on bad contracts. If the Kings make him a huge offer - like in the $20+ million range or thereabouts - bid him goodbye and good luck. $10-15 million? That's basically the new $5-8 million with today's ballooned cap, so it'd be worth considering at least.

They've extended the qualifying offer, so he might end up taking that and betting on himself in search of a huge deal next year. The Bulls would run the risk of losing him then, of course, but also be able to offer him the most money if he turned out to be a star. I don't mind them taking that risk, or letting him go if the price tag gets too high.

[air gordon]

Fair call about Carter. With all these skills he has at his age, it's doesn't add up he fell to 7. If his ceiling is horford, that's top 5 pick easily. Horford was a beast playoff rounds 1&2

Can't blame lavine asking for the big money. If some team has the brass to give him $20 mil annually after only playing 20 some odd games after his knee injury, the bulls should wave goodbye.

2yrs at 17mil per isn't so bad. 4 at 15mil would be ok too. Dude is still 23

[air gordon]

this lavine situation sort of reminds me of pre punch niko situation. unless kings do a kangs and offer him a multiyear $20mil per contract, it seems the bulls hold the cards in the negotiations.

the cowley special on dunn's "poor" offseason was quickly refuted by Pax (and Dunn)

[Andrew]

Kings have offered LaVine $80 million over four years. Good for him, let him walk.

[Moz]

Word... He's bitching that the management isn't aggressive on offering him well, unlike Jimmy Buckets, he didn't prove that he's worth that kind of money. Now let them overpay Jabari Parker or Rodney Hood...

[Andrew]

Ugh.

The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

So much for the Bulls holding the cards. They got played. Well, I sure hope he stays healthy and continues to improve.

[Moz]

Reports says an "injury clause"was included in the contract whatever that is. Perhaps it somewhat made the signing less frustrating.

[Andrew]

Perhaps. Even if he's healthy though, if he doesn't live up to the contract performance-wise, it's still a bad signing. They are set to have significant cap space next year even with his contract on the books, but "it could be worse" is never the most positive scenario.

[air gordon]

Ha guess I underestimated the "kangs" And Divac. That was a quick match by the bulls. The report of the offer and the match were hours within each other

I was ok at 17mil per so I'm not going to walk of a cliff with this contract

[Andrew]

Is it fair to say the four years is worse than the yearly amount? While I think it's overpaying him, it's admittedly not that unusual by current standards. If it were a two year deal, it wouldn't feel as ill-advised and risky.

[air gordon]

that could be fair. can't be 100% sure until it plays out

as kevin anderson pointed out, his contract is only ~18% of the team's salary cap. that's actually a decent %.

how did the kings "play" the bulls? the bulls did what they normally do with their own RFA's. wait on the market to determine the value and decide from there

Perhaps. Even if he's healthy though, if he doesn't live up to the contract performance-wise, it's still a bad signing. .

what should be his performance based on the annual salary he received?

[cavs4872]

I don't get why teams throw money at guys like this; it's not Mozgov or Delly bad, but $10M over 4 years? Sure. $20? Hell no.

At best this guy would be a nice shot creator for the Warriors off the bench. You have to wonder if he'd be getting this payday if he wasn't the best player on a horrible team. He's like the guard form of Griffin:

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Perhaps. Even if he's healthy though, if he doesn't live up to the contract performance-wise, it's still a bad signing. .

what should be his performance based on the annual salary he received?

He's gotta at least do 20-5-5; I knew of this guy, but I actually had to research how good he was outside the dunk contest... kinda seems like a cross between a budding star and empty stats guy *cough* Rodney Hood. I actually think Hood will go down, and LaVine will rise.

[Moz]

The Charlotte Hornets, Orlando Magic and Chicago Bulls were reportedly finalizing a three-way trade Saturday involving Timofey Mozgov, Bismack Biyombo, Julyan Stone and Jerian Grant.

According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, the deal would send Mozgov from Charlotte to Orlando, Biyombo from Orlando to Charlotte, Stone from Charlotte to Chicago and Grant from Chicago to Orlando.

Perhaps just to accommodate Lavine's contract and maintain a certain amount of cap room. RoLo is next?

EDIT

So here's the rookies

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As I've said earlier, I have high hopes for Carter Jr. Yeh it's just for one game so far but you can see what he's capable of already. He got quick feet, you can depend on him on switches since he can keep up with the guards, tremendous rim protector, can be a dependable stretch bigman, and he's physical attributes are that of the standards of NBA bigmen (his length and body type kinda reminds me of Theo Ratliff). I just hope this is not a one-off showing. Hutchinson on the other hand is a project. Although he's long, he still needs to make himself stronger. He's easily being pushed off. There are possessions that he made some head scratching plays. I'm just hoping, although I reckon he's way much better than him, that he'll not end up like Tony Snell...

[air gordon]

I don't get why teams throw money at guys like this; ....$20? Hell no.... He's gotta at least do 20-5-5

Thanks for chiming in. lavine’s advanced metrics would agree with you. For bulls fans sakes, i hope now that he has his big contract, his game will mature and stop being a chucker.

It would be a big win if he can be a 5apg guy. Better efficiency, improved defense, and fitting in well with Lauri and Dunn i’d like to see instead empty 20+ ppg.

Perhaps just to accommodate Lavine's contract and maintain a certain amount of cap room. RoLo is next?

EDIT
So here's the rookies.

yeah kind of random a salary dump.
impressed by WCJ. dude looks big out there/or maybe zizic needs to hit the weights.

Ugh, boogie man snell?! haha. Definitely smoother with the ball/can dribble more than once (lol luol deng syndrome) unlike snell

Good start so far for both rookies

[cavs4872]

I watched that LaVine dunk I posted again, and it kind of reminded me of something...

[air gordon]

Nocioni?! Ha good memories el chapu

[air gordon]

Goodbye to nwaba? Bulls have cap. Surprised they rescinded the QO and bigger names are still available

Hutchinson impressed showing some point forward skils

[Moz]

Hutchinson impressed showing some point forward skils

I don't want to be carried away by Randy Brown's claim but at least his gait reminds me of number 33.

So it seems they're pursuing Jabari Parker. If so, would they play him as 3 (they let Nwaba go to accommodate him?)? Because the 4 spot is crowded already with Portis (or they'll trade him in the deadline since his contract will expire), Lauri, and perhaps occasionally (although I reckon they'll stick him at the 5) WCJ. He torned his ACL twice also so I'm not too keen on giving him 20M. They should just let this season pass and spend it on free agency next year...

[Andrew]

Parker's talented, but his recurrent injury woes should be a red flag to the Bulls. Especially when a big deal is on the table.

[air gordon]

Randy brown should keep that to himself lol

I like Parker but he's not a 3. For once I hope this is the bulls being used for negotiation contracts

Sad to say but portis numbers are similar and come at a cheaper price

[Moz]

I don't know the credibility of this guy but it seems it's semi-official now?

Sad to say but portis numbers are similar and come at a cheaper price

How bout pre-Greek Freak emergence and pre-2nd ACL tear Parker? I'm too lazy to check the stats