KG Trade a "Done Deal"

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Yeah, just saw that it's been confirmed that Garnett took a slight paycut to keep Gomes. Gomes should help out alot as a solid role player.

I think with the big 3 there, all Boston needs are guys who can do at least two of these four things: Play good defence, hit the open jumper, rebound and feed the stars.

While Knight doesn't have great range, he is a great defender and can set up teammates pretty damn well. He's the definition of a solid backup point guard.

James Posey, as we all know, plays good defence, rebounds well and is a good target for the spot up jumper, pretty much anywhere on the court.

Guys like Ryan Gomes, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins are all roleplayers who also fit this criteria nicely.

Both these guys are good fits for the team IMO. I'm jumping the gun, but IF they were to sign these guys, the roster is looking like:

C - Kendrick Perkins (5/5/1)
PF - Kevin Garnett (22/13/4)
SF - Paul Pierce (25/6/4)
SG - Ray Allen (26/5/4)
PG - Rajon Rondo (6/4/4)
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6th - Ryan Gomes (12/6/2)
7th - Tony Allen (12/4/2)
8th - Brevin Knight (9/3/7)
9th - James Posey (8/5/1)
10th - Glen Davis (???)
11th - Leon Powe (4/3/1)
12th - Gabe Pruitt (???)
13th - Brian Scalabrine (4/2/1)
14th - Brandon Wallace (???)

In my opinion, that bench looks pretty good. They will go at least 9 deep every night, most likely 10. That's pretty damn good. IF they get these guys.

[Ty-Land]

Yeah, just saw that it's been confirmed that Garnett took a slight paycut to keep Gomes. Gomes should help out alot as a solid role player.

I think with the big 3 there, all Boston needs are guys who can do at least two of these four things: Play good defence, hit the open jumper, rebound and feed the stars.

While Knight doesn't have great range, he is a great defender and can set up teammates pretty damn well. He's the definition of a solid backup point guard.

James Posey, as we all know, plays good defence, rebounds well and is a good target for the spot up jumper, pretty much anywhere on the court.

Guys like Ryan Gomes, Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins are all roleplayers who also fit this criteria nicely.

Both these guys are good fits for the team IMO. I'm jumping the gun, but IF they were to sign these guys, the roster is looking like:

C - Kendrick Perkins (5/5/1)
PF - Kevin Garnett (22/13/4)
SF - Paul Pierce (25/6/4)
SG - Ray Allen (26/5/4)
PG - Rajon Rondo (6/4/4)
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6th - Ryan Gomes (12/6/2)
7th - Tony Allen (12/4/2)
8th - Brevin Knight (9/3/7)
9th - James Posey (8/5/1)
10th - Glen Davis (???)
11th - Leon Powe (4/3/1)
12th - Gabe Pruitt (???)
13th - Brian Scalabrine (4/2/1)
14th - Brandon Wallace (???)

In my opinion, that bench looks pretty good. They will go at least 9 deep every night, most likely 10. That's pretty damn good. IF they get these guys.

I still think they need another big or 2. That's why I keep suggesting Skinner. If they can get Skinner, Knight and Posey/Singleton then they should have enough depth to go very deep in the East. PJ Brown is another option. As is Eddie Jones, as apparently he is not wanted back by Miami. Either way 3 solid vets would round this team out nicely.

[yosifun]

The Celtics will have a great team, but I'm not sure that they will get past the East semi-finals.

When looking at the Wolves, I see a team with great young players and a very deep bench (I'll put my money that they will be better than Portland/Seattle/Philly this year):
C- M.Blount , M.Madsen , T.Ratliff
PF- A.Jefferson , J.Howard
SF- G.Green , C.Brewer , T.Hassel
SG- R.Davis , R.McCants
PG- R.Foye , S.Telfair

Just imagine how this team could turn up to be if a star center will join them in the next year or two.

[-Young Buck-]

I still think they need another big or 2. That's why I keep suggesting Skinner. If they can get Skinner, Knight and Posey/Singleton then they should have enough depth to go very deep in the East. PJ Brown is another option. As is Eddie Jones, as apparently he is not wanted back by Miami. Either way 3 solid vets would round this team out nicely.

Good call, Eddie Jones and PJ Brown seem like good players to sign with boston for cheap, and a chance at a ring. They would be solid players too.

[maceo24]

Eddie jones and ray ray as a 2 guard tandem is mighty appealing, regardless of age. Jones can be the perimeter stopper they would really need.

[Its_asdf]

Its funny how quickly Boston went from rebuilding to contenders. They'll need a bit more depth to beat teams like Detroit/San Antonio/Dallas though.

[maes]

Impossible, i'll say again, impossible to win the title without an absolute top level coach. I'm not trying to diss Doc, but...

The last 21 NBA champions

Coached by:
Popovich
Pat Riley
Popovich
Larry Brown
Popovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Popovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Rudy Tomjanovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Chuck Daley
Chuck Daley
Pat Riley
Pat Riley

[-Young Buck-]

Impossible, i'll say again, impossible to win the title without an absolute top level coach. I'm not trying to diss Doc, but...

The last 21 NBA champions

Coached by:
Popovich
Pat Riley
Popovich
Larry Brown
Popovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Popovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Rudy Tomjanovich
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson
Chuck Daley
Chuck Daley
Pat Riley
Pat Riley

Well those coaches also had Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, Isaiah, Duncan. Its not all coaching, some of it has to do with having the best players in the game. KG and Pierce rank pretty high with the rest of the players at their position. And Ray Allen isnt too shabby either. Yes coaching does matter, but you cant coach a team full of okay players to a championship.

[Sauru]

i understand that bostons bench does not look that good but i really think people are being a bit too hard on it. i dont think anyone here is taking into consideration the effect of having 3 superstars on the court with you does. its like everyone is expecting top level players to surround the big 3 when just last year lebron took master flop and a kid who can hit a open shot to the finals. the bulls always had 3 players and a bunch of role players who looked good but did shit outside of chicago(quick not that i dont believe any of the 3 are as good as jordan or pippen though). the pistons were considered a team of role players when they beat the lakers now everyone thinks they are always the team to beat in the east. i think the celtics will be ok with what they got, would live to pick up 1 or 2 key free agents who will probably come cheap now, but i still say this team is far better now than it was 2 months ago.

i agree with maes on the coach issue. this is a big concern of mine. doc was once considered a good coach when he was in orlando now he is labeled a joke. lets not forget that the celtics are better than thier record showed last year. they did tank and that has to be accounted for.

i dont get why people are so big on the chemistry for the big 3. talk of garnett maybe will not like the fact that there are other stars? since when has garnett been a kobe like star where he insisted on being the main guy and demanded the ball constantly. if anything he has always defered too much to others in the past. pierce asked for this so i dont see him having any complaints and allen was tossed aside for peanuts really, i see him doing his best to show the world he is still a top level player.

i also see people saying that if one of the 3 gets injured they have no shot at all. thats a really dumb statement as you can say that for any team. take out duncan whats gonna happen? no more nash? oh shit yao went down now what? you lose a superstar you aint gonna win.

now i dont see boston as a favorite to win the title, no way, its still a western conference dominated league. i do however think the celtics are now at the top of the east, they are right there with chicago and the pistons and certainly far ahead of where they were going to be if they listened to jerks like me and everyone else in boston and took Yi with the 5th pick

[ThaLiveKing]

Yeah but Boston has 3 SUPERSTARS. . take one of them out that leave 2 SUPERSTARS. . No Team has that. . Maybe the Spurs are closest!!! This year' all Star game should be nice!! Bosh,Oneal, Oneal and KG lol!!! WOW

[Cartar]

apparently it´s official, but it´s gonna annouced later on Tuesday: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

[benji]

Yeah but Boston has 3 SUPERSTARS. . take one of them out that leave 2 SUPERSTARS. . No Team has that. . Maybe the Spurs are closest!!! This year' all Star game should be nice!! Bosh,Oneal, Oneal and KG lol!!! WOW

Heh, idiot.

Anyway, I ran the numbers using last seasons data...last years rotation...Celtics: 30-31 wins.

C- Perkins (65%)/Jefferson (35%)
F- Gomes (55%)/Jefferson (40%)/Powe (10%)/Scalabrine (5%)
F- Pierce (75%)/Green (25%)
G- Allen (70%)/Allen (30%)
G- Rondo (70%)/Telfair (30%)

43 wins

first player = 75% of minutes, second player = 25%
C- Perkins/Kandi
F- Garnett/Powe
F- Pierce/Scalabrine
G- Allen/Allen
G- Rondo/Allen

47-48 wins

[_marsal]

Hell, what are the Timberwolves going to do with so many players?
They have:

PG- Foye, Telfair, Jaric (Hudson is probably out)
SG- Hassell, Mccants, Davis
SF- Brewer, Green
PF- Jefferson, Howard, Gomes
C- Blount, Rattlif, Madsen

Overstacked? Who gets traded?

[maceo24]

Dunno if Id like Tony Allen as the the only backup. They need one more G, preferably a another Point. Brian Scalabrine as anyone's backup just wont cut it IMO. I like what you did with the setup, but I'd knock off 5-6 of those wins, without a decent player backing up pierce. He's still going to have to play 41 minutes a game.

[-Young Buck-]

Hell, what are the Timberwolves going to do with so many players?
They have:

PG- Foye, Telfair, Jaric (Hudson is probably out)
SG- Hassell, Mccants, Davis
SF- Brewer, Green
PF- Jefferson, Howard, Gomes
C- Blount, Rattlif, Madsen

Overstacked? Who gets traded?

Ratliff will come off after next season. They could try to trade Davis, Jeric, Howard, Blount, Madsen for a better center. That is really all they are missing, besides experience and chemistry.

[benji]

I think instead of knocking wins off, you want to add wins IF they got a decent bench. With a solid bench they could win 52-54 games IN THE EAST, no?

I'll take Shannon's suggestion and give them Posey and Knight...then re-run the numbers.

[LakersRule24]

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press07 ... rnett.html
So does Riot believe it yet? Or will he need a phone call from Mr. Garnett himself?

And I totally agree with Benji, no great coach=no chip

[Anthony15]

Gotta take Chicago out of that list. Do you really think they're unhappy with how Deng and Gordon turned out?

Philly too, Andre is a beast and just about ready to be an all-star, if he isnt already.

Take out Mavs also. Harris is a good fit for Dallas.

That's good to hear that KG is out of Minny, one less opponent to worry about in NW Division like they caused much threat to the Nuggets anyways

wrong wrong wrong. mavs and bulls would both kill for a player who could score down low. i guarentee either of them would instantly trade thier pick for jefferson straight up. you got the soft mavs who get bullied but guys half a foot shorter and the bulls who only lack a insider and they are on thier way to the finals. both those teams belong right there on that list.

wrong wrong. Chicago is definitely doing better with Gordon and Deng, rather if they had Jefferson, they are their main scorers (+ Hinrich) and if they got shooters who do not have to drive to the basket each time to make a shot, how is that Jefferson would've helped them more. About the Mavs I kind of agree, they do need a big guy inside like Al, but again, they're one of the top shooting teams.

[maceo24]

benji, True, but that If is a pretty BIG if. Im still giving them till next year to really be serious. Theyre a lock for the playoffs, for sure, but a PG with playoff experience, they wont get my vote.

Knight would be a HUGE pickup for them. He should be their starter.

[Sauru]

i would bet anything that the bulls would send out gordon for jefferson straight up, they would do it 1000 times over, no question. i dont know why people keep think i am saying both gordon and deng, that dont make sense since we are talking about drafting.


anyway, the celts gave up alot to get kg but i still say its worth it. i really wanted to hold onto the wolves pick, that one hurts, however i still say its worth doing.

now the direction turns to, free agent pick ups. i see no reason why the celtics cant get another player or 2 cheap with this team. i personally would like to sign a center first then get a point but really, we need both. i hope ainge is smart and goes after some guys instead of sitting there saying "whatever i got kg my job is safe for awhile". its too bad doc and ainge are such good friends, i dont see doc getting fired any time soon when i would love to trade him in for a different coach.

[jonthefon]

Top shooting teams? Nah, not really. If we had purer shooters, then we would've whupped Golden State when they double-teamed Dirk. Or maybe it was just because he decided not to take them on.

This Boston Big Three is much better than all others, and as long as they find chemistry, play good defence and their bench is solid, they should go deep in the mediocre East. I don't quite see them "out-depthing" the Spurs or the Mavs, outrunning the Suns and...outslowing the Rockets yet though. Maybe one more season and pray nobody suffers a decline.

[Sauru]

also, why is everyone worried riot will hate this? he should love it, the wolves were stuck doing nothing with kg, now they have a real chance at a bright future. they just need to resign these young guys when thier time comes, a couple key free agent signings and a good draft pick and the wolves are gonna be good.

[[Q]]

I wonder what number KG will wear. with nearly all numbers 1-40 taken, They'll probably have a starting lineup with number 50 and up sooner or later. I think 21 is taken by Bill Sharman... lol @ Telfair trying to unretire #31.

Interesting how the Celts go from last year's draft of trading a shot at Brandon Roy for Telfair and trading for Rondo, creating a logjam at PG with the undrafted Allan Ray to this year with only 1 PG in Rondo.

[LakersRule24]

lol look at their retired jerseys
http://www.nba.com/celtics/history/RetiredNumbers.html

They retire a jersey for just about ANYONE that plays for the Celtics.

[benji]

Well, they did win 16 championships and had a team full of hall of famers.

Garnett will apparently wear #5.

benji, True, but that If is a pretty BIG if. Im still giving them till next year to really be serious. Theyre a lock for the playoffs, for sure, but a PG with playoff experience, they wont get my vote.

Wait. What? Without a point guard with playoff experience, they won't get your vote to win more than 42 games?

Are you talking about a championship? Because I don't think I said anything about that? I just projected out their wins from last seasons numbers.

The Celtics have a good shot at a title because, like the Pistons and Heat, they only have to beat one Western team four out of seven times. If they don't have a bench though they'll be beat around like the Cavaliers.

Of course, there's also the Doc Rivers factor. Let us not forget this was the guy who said Pat Garrity was the most valuable player in Orlando. The odds of him going to Brian Scalabrine with the game on the line are extremely high.

I still plan on running those numbers with Knight. But apparently Danny Ainge thinks he's a bad egg and trouble, so I doubt the Celtics will be bringing him in.