Paul Pierce traded to the Nuggets

[fgrep15]

Nene will have to play the C in the Boston's system which I don't believe is the correct decision, but he'll do just fine, due to lack of big men in the East. I espect from Boston some major moves to get rid of Lafrentz, possibly Blount and a couple of PGs for a SF and cap room. Their lineup will be young, but talented and stacked with potential:
C:Nene
PF:Jefferson
SF:Davis
SG:Allen
PG: Miller
Dickau, Scalabrine, West, Green, Reed (watch out for this guy), Perkins,...

Nene is a legit PF/C, not just one of those guys that has center put behind the F because the team has no other one. He played center in the West, he's 6'11, 260 pounds, very strong, and has a long wingspan, playing center is no problem for him. It's not like he's undersized or something, he can guard centers extremely defensively, which is all that should really matter because offense is not the major thing. Offensively he's quicker and more athletic than most centers, and probably quicker and faster than all but Amare, and also just as strong as them, he'll be fine.

Even if you look at last season, as a starting center [in the West] for 10 games:

15.3 PPG | 7.3 RPG | 2.3 APG | 1.25 SPG | 1.13 BPG | 58.0% FG | 31.8 MPG

also remember in his rookie year, Juwan Howard was PF, and he started 52 games at center where he averaged:

11.8 PPG | 6.7 RPG | 2.2 APG | 1.63 SPG | 0.81 BPG | 53.5% FG | 31.1 MPG

He's never been a very good rebounder in the NBA, though he's better than his number show, but foul trouble has been a problem with him in rebounding, because it takes away his aggresiveness on the glass.

[Indy]

Definitly right fgrep. Nene may be the most underrated player in the NBA. There are still some people who look at him as a bust.

[cyanide]

Wow! Well, it's a risky move by the Nuggets for sure, but they have a really nice starting lineup!

Boston's going to be a nice young team that's definitely going to improve. The way I see it, it's a win-win situation for both teams, but it can be a bad situation because of chemistry. I don't see George Karl allowing his team to fuck up this year, though.

Btw, I can see Earl Watson starting, but I wouldn't be surprised if Boykins starts instead.

[Indy]

One of the things that saddens me about this trade (if it happens) is that I won't be able to boo Paul Pierce as much this season.

[Mentally Hilarious]

I dont think it will happen, If so thats retarded Celtics will have 6 PGs, but atleast Gerald Green will be getting 20-25mpg

im from Boston, I think this trade would suck. We dont need another PG, we need a SG/SF. Yea we have Green, Davis, Allen, and Gomes....BUT

#1 Allen is introuble with the cops, and Ainge doesnt want that
#2 Gomes will get about 5mpg
#3 Green is a rookie.....why would he start?? Unless Pierce is traded for a PG, PF or C.
#4 That leaves Ricky at the 3 spot(or 2). Now we need 2-Guard. So we should trade Pierce for a SG/SF, I cant imagine Ainge doing this, unless he makes another trade with Dickau, Banks, Allen and someone for a SG/SF

I think they're going to release Gary Payton. Dan Dickau isn't exactly starter quality, and Tony Allen can most likely swing to the 2. So I don't think they're that overloaded.

Gerald Green might start. The Celtics are rebuilding, and High School players have been getting better as years go on. Of course, Green won't be Lebron, but a Josh or J.R. Smith sort of impact can be expected.

I think it would be a great trade for them.

Meanwhile, the Nuggets would be...well who knows what they would be. They'd add their shooting guard, but would lose a lot at the point. Boykins is really good, but still probably just too small to be a full-time starter.

And can Pierce and Melo co-exist? Their games are similar. Neither of them improve their teammates. I think it'll just be one isolates on the wing while the other stands around, or one posts up while the other stands around...repeat.

Sorry mate, but you don't have too good a feel about the Celts.

*Payton is already off the plan, been for some time
*Allen was never in the PG-discussion. The rotation as of ...well "now" is Dickau/West/Banks/Greene/Bynum
*Green will never start this year, he might even be headed to the NBDL

Good points about Denver though, but Watson is also a part of their PG-rotation (I think he's signed, been inofficially done for some time now though).

[ShAuN]

If it goes through, it's quite a coup for the Nuggets... Although taking Andre and Nene from the roster will leave the bench a lot thinner and Andre is just waiting to return to that 11apg pace he was with the Clippers. Now he will have the ball to handle.

To be honest with you Celtics fans... The team was going nowhere with Pierce. He obviously could not carry the team and he turned out to be a player that they couldn't just build around. Ainge is smart, he has a plan... Well, atleast now the young guns will get their shot unless more trades are on the way. And they will get a good ball distributor in Miller and finally might have a starting center in Nene... Nene and Harrington on the front court is a dangerous duo, if they get it going.

LOL you have no clue what your talking about. Who led the team in pts, rebounds, and asts in the playoffs for his team? He ranked top 3 effiencey in the playoffs and read this:

Only 2 players in the NBA average 21ppg 6rpg and 4apg..

Jason Richardson, and Paul Pierce

Of these only 1 has shooting percenteges above 45% from the field, 37% from the 3pt line and over 82% from the line.....
Paul Pierce

Also of all these players only Pierce and Richardson avg less then 3 turnovers a game.


In the top 27 scorers in the nba only three players take less then 15 shots per game...
Shaq, Corey Maggette and Paul Pierce.

In the top 20 scorers only 3 play less then 36 minutes a game...
Shaq, Duncan and Pierce.

Pierce is also in the top 5 for free throws made this year and is the only player in the last 5 years to be in the top 5 every year.

Pierce is 2nd amongst SG/SF in rebounding behind only that damn Lebron James Character.

Pierce is 10th in steals in the NBA.

Pierce is 7th in the NBA in blocks for a swingman.

All these stats should further me and other Paul Pierce fans comments that he's still a top nba player and he shouldnt be traded for scrubs or hated on because he has one or two bad plays in a game or he has an off game or two occasionally.

Lots of people also claim hes not good on the dribble and hes prone to turnovers but hes never averaged more then 3.8 turnovers a game. Thats less then everyone in the top 20 in scoring except...
Michael Redd, Shaq, Dirk, Amare, Garnett, Duncan.

Of those as you can see only Pierce and Michael Redd arent "Big men" who have the ball less and you can easily argue that Michael redd doesnt do anything on his own and his offense is created from coming off picks not his own creation.


Last year paul averaged 1.43 pts per shot.
2000-01 1.33
2001-02 1.36
2002-03 1.28
2003-04 1.22
So what this means is this is Pauls best scoring year in the NBA and his most effcient. Last year he's shooting his best Percentage of his career from the floor and the line and hes having one of his best years from beyond the arc.

In terms of his minutes per game this is was his second best rebounding year as well as his second best assist year. His best assist year was two year ago when he always had the ball in his hands and had to do everything. Imagine if to years ago year he had a few good shooters he would have averaged 7 or 8 a game and last year he could to if gary didn't dominate the ball so much (im not being negative towards GP when im saying this either).

Somehow even though it doesnt seem right this is his third best year in terms of getting to the line at 8.2 a game and his second best year in making free throws at 6.7 a game.

All this is just to show how good Paul Pierce really is and still is. The "old" Paul Pierce we all thought was so good because of his stats and what we thought he did so much better before then now isnt necessarily true. Its because he always had the offense going thru him on every possession and alot of good came with a lot of bad but since we started winning the bad left us and we just rememver the good . And because the last two years werent great everyone has jumped on him for not being the same and not as good and this and that but thats far from the truth. Its obvious to me at least that Paul isnt as athletic as he used to be and isnt as fast(but he never was really either of these to begin with). But hes turned into a more well rounded and smart basketball player and is still one of the best players in our league despite not having these gifts that so many kids in the league now have.

BTW look at all the changes he went through, with coaches, trades, didnt get calls etc.....

[ShAuN]

Create even more logjam at the 123? Makes no sense.

You totally left out Reed, a mistake. That bugger will show his worth come next season. 5 min for Gomes is very, very, very underestimated if Paul leaves. See him getting 18, while Green gets 5. Every person in the Celtics organization labels Green as very raw, while Gomes gets his praise sung.

Allen has not been proven guilty, even though he seems in the crud. And his jumpshot looked good (better) in the SL, which maybe will mean that he'll be a solid starter for next years campaign.

You dont know what your talking about either, I think Doc said, if Pierce stays, Green will get about 10 minutes a game, if Pierce gets traded, then about 20-25mpg. Reed on the other hand, Doc plays him at the PF spot. If not then he will play the 3. Gomes wont be getting 18 lol, maybe 10, beause Doc and Danny like Jefferson. As far as TA, i never said he was guilty. I said hes in trouble with the cops.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Yes, PP is an excellent player. But constant pouting, unwillingness to play the game the way Doc/DA wants the team to and refusal to give up the ball at the right times combined with just playing isolation... He's not the right player for Boston anymore. A good one, maybe even a great one, but not the right one.

According to some.

[ShAuN]

I dont think it will happen, If so thats retarded Celtics will have 6 PGs, but atleast Gerald Green will be getting 20-25mpg

im from Boston, I think this trade would suck. We dont need another PG, we need a SG/SF. Yea we have Green, Davis, Allen, and Gomes....BUT

#1 Allen is introuble with the cops, and Ainge doesnt want that
#2 Gomes will get about 5mpg
#3 Green is a rookie.....why would he start?? Unless Pierce is traded for a PG, PF or C.
#4 That leaves Ricky at the 3 spot(or 2). Now we need 2-Guard. So we should trade Pierce for a SG/SF, I cant imagine Ainge doing this, unless he makes another trade with Dickau, Banks, Allen and someone for a SG/SF

I think they're going to release Gary Payton. Dan Dickau isn't exactly starter quality, and Tony Allen can most likely swing to the 2. So I don't think they're that overloaded.

Gerald Green might start. The Celtics are rebuilding, and High School players have been getting better as years go on. Of course, Green won't be Lebron, but a Josh or J.R. Smith sort of impact can be expected.

I think it would be a great trade for them.

Meanwhile, the Nuggets would be...well who knows what they would be. They'd add their shooting guard, but would lose a lot at the point. Boykins is really good, but still probably just too small to be a full-time starter.

And can Pierce and Melo co-exist? Their games are similar. Neither of them improve their teammates. I think it'll just be one isolates on the wing while the other stands around, or one posts up while the other stands around...repeat.

Well, just so you know, Doc and Danny said theres NO WAY there re-signing GP.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Create even more logjam at the 123? Makes no sense.

You totally left out Reed, a mistake. That bugger will show his worth come next season. 5 min for Gomes is very, very, very underestimated if Paul leaves. See him getting 18, while Green gets 5. Every person in the Celtics organization labels Green as very raw, while Gomes gets his praise sung.

Allen has not been proven guilty, even though he seems in the crud. And his jumpshot looked good (better) in the SL, which maybe will mean that he'll be a solid starter for next years campaign.

You dont know what your talking about either, I think Doc said, if Pierce stays, Green will get about 10 minutes a game, if Pierce gets traded, then about 20-25mpg. Reed on the other hand, Doc plays him at the PF spot. If not then he will play the 3. Gomes wont be getting 18 lol, maybe 10, beause Doc and Danny like Jefferson. As far as TA, i never said he was guilty. I said hes in trouble with the cops.

You've seem to missed all DA's pointers about Green being too raw and needing to get and understanding of basketball on an NBA level. He looked lost as a swingman in SL. That says pretty much. And whose minutes would he eat up? Allens? Pierce's? Ricky's? With West playing PG with SG minutes you have 4 players that are all ahead of him on the chart. Niether PP or West will get many minutes at the 2, but enough to make Green a not-so-much seen contributor.

Reed was a PF before Gomes and Veal happend. You know that Veal will get his minutes at PF, and spare ones at SF. Which leaves Reed and Gomes to split their at SF/PF. Gomes and Reed are, together with West and AlJeff, the youngsters getting the most positive comments.
18 was a bit much for Gomes, but 14... AlJeff isn't ready for more than 24 at PF.

[ShAuN]

Yes, PP is an excellent player. But constant pouting, unwillingness to play the game the way Doc/DA wants the team to and refusal to give up the ball at the right times combined with just playing isolation... He's not the right player for Boston anymore. A good one, maybe even a great one, but not the right one.

According to some.

Yea definatly, but there trying to work with him on that. In the playoffs, Pierce had to Iso, Walker sucked, Ricky fell apart, Payton just backed the ball down and went for a post up lay-up, thats not a good PG, Raef was decent, Blount blows, and Delonte, Allen, and Banks were OK. So I mean Pierce had to do alot. Then Docs not a really good playoff coach imo.

[ShAuN]

Create even more logjam at the 123? Makes no sense.

You totally left out Reed, a mistake. That bugger will show his worth come next season. 5 min for Gomes is very, very, very underestimated if Paul leaves. See him getting 18, while Green gets 5. Every person in the Celtics organization labels Green as very raw, while Gomes gets his praise sung.

Allen has not been proven guilty, even though he seems in the crud. And his jumpshot looked good (better) in the SL, which maybe will mean that he'll be a solid starter for next years campaign.

You dont know what your talking about either, I think Doc said, if Pierce stays, Green will get about 10 minutes a game, if Pierce gets traded, then about 20-25mpg. Reed on the other hand, Doc plays him at the PF spot. If not then he will play the 3. Gomes wont be getting 18 lol, maybe 10, beause Doc and Danny like Jefferson. As far as TA, i never said he was guilty. I said hes in trouble with the cops.

You've seem to missed all DA's pointers about Green being too raw and needing to get and understanding of basketball on an NBA level. He looked lost as a swingman in SL. That says pretty much. And whose minutes would he eat up? Allens? Pierce's? Ricky's? With West playing PG with SG minutes you have 4 players that are all ahead of him on the chart. Niether PP or West will get many minutes at the 2, but enough to make Green a not-so-much seen contributor.

Reed was a PF before Gomes and Veal happend. You know that Veal will get his minutes at PF, and spare ones at SF. Which leaves Reed and Gomes to split their at SF/PF. Gomes and Reed are, together with West and AlJeff, the youngsters getting the most positive comments.
18 was a bit much for Gomes, but 14... AlJeff isn't ready for more than 24 at PF.

Jefferson could handle about 20mpg, as far as Green in the SL, hes not going to go there.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Wha'? The summer league was some time ago, and except for the dunk, he didn't do much. Granted I've only seen 1 game, and then read impressions from JonG and others. But a wingman looking lost in the summer league isn't really a confidencebooster for the regular season.

[ShAuN]

Its alright, JR was lost in the SL in his Rookie year, players need to develop from HS, they cant just dominate in SL, he only got about 21mpg anyways. Hes not going to be great his first 2-3 years, he'll be decent, but when he hits like 24 he definatly will be a good player. Thats why DA will develop him in the NBA, especially for garbage time.

[nbalive744]

ok guys every single one of you need to calm down!!

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

[Anthony15]

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

Really? Where did u find out about that?

[Fitzy]

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

Really? Where did u find out about that?

Yeah, it could be true, theres nothing on nba.com or on either the Celtics or Nuggets sites.

[Impose]

I think the main reason (in MY opinion) this trade looks bad is that it leaves the celtics with no real go-to guy at all. Unless you want to put your club in the erratic hands of Ricky Davis, or you believe Raef LaFrentz is going to suddenly be a 20ppg kinda guy...

The Celtics might trade pierce before the trade deadline if Ainge is right about his young guys been able to win, but Paul will be in a Celts uniform come game 1 of the season is my prediction.

[Timothy Duncan]

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

Really? Where did u find out about that?

Yeah, it could be true, theres nothing on nba.com or on either the Celtics or Nuggets sites.

http://www.insidehoops.com/pierce-trade-090705.shtml

A source informed InsideHoops.com Wednesday evening that the Boston Celtics are expected to trade all-star guard/forward Paul Pierce to the Denver Nuggets for guard Andre Miller and forward/center Nene. But late Thursday morning a high-ranking member of the Celtics organization told InsideHoops.com via email that the rumor is "incorrect."

[RoCkY MaIvIa]

nbalive744,

ok guys every single one of you need to calm down!!

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

are you sure..Some rumors becomes true..

[nbalive744]

mostly all of them become false

[Jugs]

nbalive744,

ok guys every single one of you need to calm down!!

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

are you sure..Some rumors becomes true..

A source informed InsideHoops.com Wednesday evening that the Boston Celtics are expected to trade all-star guard/forward Paul Pierce to the Denver Nuggets for guard Andre Miller and forward/center Nene. But late Thursday morning a high-ranking member of the Celtics organization told InsideHoops.com via email that the rumor is "incorrect."

.. you're an idiot (oroROKCOKDSFy MAfdiaSJFa dude)

Oh well, good it's not true

[Fitzy]

the trade was reported to be incorrect!

Really? Where did u find out about that?

Yeah, it could be true, theres nothing on nba.com or on either the Celtics or Nuggets sites.

http://www.insidehoops.com/pierce-trade-090705.shtml

A source informed InsideHoops.com Wednesday evening that the Boston Celtics are expected to trade all-star guard/forward Paul Pierce to the Denver Nuggets for guard Andre Miller and forward/center Nene. But late Thursday morning a high-ranking member of the Celtics organization told InsideHoops.com via email that the rumor is "incorrect."

Thanks for the link, now we can all settle down

[[Q]]

and for the record, GP is an unrestricted FA so he won't be back.

[RoCkY MaIvIa]

Seattle needs a point guard right now.Well maybe backing up with Ridnour is gonna be good.
I said GP as a back up player to Ridnour.