Shaq to the Heat

time for Miami to jackup there ticket prices..
anywayz, good bye Lakers Dynasty
Hello Kobe's Team. ( if he resigns)
He will probably have the same luck other good shooting guards have had recently
(Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allan Iverson, Ray Allen, etc.)

i have mix feeling about this trade.

1.first i hate this trade coz im not sure if lakers got the best or worst deal in here.

a. we may say its a good trade for our lakers getting a versatile player in odom and an future star in butler without the injury. and a future draft pick that will produce either a star, role player or lemon in the future.
by the way we also get brian grant. and we acquire all of them by trading a not-so-more dominant declining lazy fat-ass O'neal (peace to all Shaq homeboys) .plus we get to pay 3 quality player than giving it to only one person who want more money.
b. or we get the worst on this deal. im not concern how shaq will fare or the heat will fare in the coming future. but my concern is for my team lakers. we also grant, a true PF having to play center in heat. he can get away that in EC but at WC a different story. At WC playing center will be up against like of Yao, Divac, Miller, Dampier. but at PF he will face duncan, KG, Gasol, Dirk and it will give him hard time to match. plus in acquiring odom and grant salary plus future big pay-check of Butler will make the lakers hard to find quality players in FA market (not only this summer but also in coming years)

2. by trading shaq make me nervous coz if kobe sign with the clip. lakers will be a lottery team.
if they re-sign kobe well then lakers will be a playoff team but not a title contender for now.
if kobe sign with clips or any other team i will support him but my heart will always be for my team.

3. trading shaq make it easy for me to stop liking on player i dont really like. i try so hard to like this guy coz his in lakers jersey but now that he was a heat well.... what can i say (i dont want to say good luck) maybe bad luck and you're going down.

4. if kobe re-sign with lakers he got all my support (moral support and prayers) to let those who don't belive in him to prove them wrong. he may not be the best but a good superstar with great talent with a lack of maturity (well he is young and maturity will be learned through winning and losing)

5. excited to see all true lakers fans to stick with lakers and also to see those bandwagonner to jump to another team to cheers. also to all shaq homeboy that will follow him in miami.

LAKERS they were just an ordinary team but i support them.
LAKERS they were a playoff team and swept few times in playoff but i support them.
LAKERS they were 3-time champion and i support them and celebrate with them.
Lakers they may be a lottery team or playoff team this coming season but i support them and support them no matter what happen.

now........
i will sing
Na NA NA NA Na Na Na Na
HE HE HEY GOODBYE SHAQ

well, this deal is definitely not so good.. but this may be the best deal the lakers could get considering shaq's age, his money demands and dallas not wanting to give up dirk... hopefully, Kobe will average more than 30 ppg this coming season(if ever he resigns with the lakers), Odom average a double double or maybe even close to a triple double, Caron Butler showing mad game and Brian Grant, hopefully the lakers find a way to trade him cause his contract is ....

Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na He He Hey
G O O D B Y E LAKERS!!!!

have fun supporting a borderline playoff team!!!

the lakers idioticy has reached gigantium proportions. odom is a borderline all star, butler is a role player, and grant is just a bench energy spark at this point. Oh, lets not forget that #20 something draft pick they're gonna get

kobe's expendable dude, when will the lackers realize this? They shoulda kissed shaq ass big time and kicked kobe's overrated behind uncerimoniously outta there for something instead. Why? First of all the guy isn't even a shade as valuable as the diesel, second of all kobe is in no way shape or form cabable of luring free agents. Laker stupidity is laughable, if i didnt know better i'dve thought that this whole thing was one huge joke by tales

Oh well, i always liked the heat anyway, one small step for magius, one big fall for laker fans

Well, now that Shaq is officially in Miami Heat, and Kobe is still weighing his decision of either remaining a Laker or donning a different uniform (Clippers, Phoenix, Nuggets, whichever!) Everything still remains to be seen! There are many questions to be considered like: will Shaq blend-in with his new team? (Chemistry... look what happened to the previous' over-hyped Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe & Shaq team... ), What about Kobe's rape-case? (if ever he gets jailed then, Buss can kiss his fat-ass goodbye ) As for now, we can only speculate, assume, predict, but one thing's for sure... there is no guarantee in this crazy world! We'll just wait and see...

and loving every minute

Kobe is a star if he is convicted he'll get probation.

He may not even shine in lakers jersey
And Jackal leave him a chance, wait until he gets good players around him, a team that fits his game and see what happens before burying him.

Decent players or not, you don't win championships without big men. Which DECENT big man is willing to come to LA? They just traded away one of the 10 greatest big men of all time...

I'll bury Kobe when I want to bury Kobe because I praise Kobe when I feel like praising Kobe. But, I feel this is largely his fault, so yeah...screw Bryant. He cannot win, not a championship atleast.

Read it, it'll help.

Props to Jae for the story.

Well Kobe now has to put his money where his mouth is if he wants to be better than MJ. Lamar Odom will be his Pippen. Will Kobe make his teammates better and carry the Lakers or Clippers to a ring? I highly doubt it, not only will he have to win 1 ring but several without leaving any doubt in people's minds that he was the man who led them there. If I'm Kobe I sign with the Clippers just because they already have great role players to surround him with and not to mention that they have zero rings. The Clippers can be Kobe's Bulls.

Which made it especially ironic that, for years and years, Shaq wore the "black hat" and Kobe wore the "white hat" on the Lakers.

black for Miami
white for L.A. Clippers?

oh well, now Kobe is under some serious stress. Being blamed for this trade ( if he had spoken up about the GM comments I'm sure Shaq woulda felt better) and not sure which LA uniform to wear, not sure what's goign to happen in the trial, what a mess this poor kid is in. I wish I could push the clock to the future and see what happens.

For the first time in years, I think Shaq gets himself in ridiculous shape this summer.

if that happens, we might be looking at 60+wins for Miami this year especially in a weak division.

Shaq is as responsible as kobe for this trade.
They offered him a good contract but he wanted even more and started whining about how kobe was treated better.
If these two were a little more intelligent they wouldn't have 3 titles but 4 or 5 and still be together.

And i beleive kobe can lead a team to a championship, just not right now. He needs to mature (sorry for english), get the right players (its not like odom is pippen and grant is rodman...etc.)and i think he could.
He's only 25.

Unless the Miami Heat starts adding some good quality players to their roster, I don't see the Heat getting past Detroit in the East. The Miami Heat with Shaq are not as good a team the Lakers were last season.

Shaq is as responsible as kobe for this trade.

As a Shaq fan, to a Kobe fan I ask this, please shut the eff up.

Kobe didn't want to play with LA, LA's management wanted Kobe. Kobe said, bye bye Shaq, hello Kobe. This is the way it works.

Management was stupid enough to actually want Kobe more than Shaq, fine.

Why did management have to choose? Was it because they wanted to? No, they HAD to because Bryant gave them an ultimatum, he said: It's him, or me. Take your pick. (Management was stupid enough to fall for it.)

It was Kobe's fault, all Kobe. Don't be bullshitting me that it was partly Shaq's fault, Shaq was whining, that's what he ALWAYS does, nothing new. Why act as if it's an issue now? Ugh, spare me the crap.

If Kobe would've kept his big fat arrogant mouth shut and not given LA an ultimatum, Shaq's fat ass would've been besides Kobe next season. Read the article my friend, he would've taken the role he had this season, but nooooo....Bryant has to have ALL the lime light, so Shaq MUST be gone for me to return.

Shaq's whining was the reason he was traded? No, the reason Shaq was traded is because management went about the situation wrong...why did they go about the situation wrong? Because Bryant gave them the choice, and they chose Bryant over Shaq. That's why Shaq was traded, not because of his whining, he's been whining since last season, he whined at the first exhibition game of the season, please...go feed that crap to another fellow Kobe fan that will believe that shit.

I totally concur... The lakers this past season were a better team than what the Heats have at this moment.
I like this trade very much. However I believe the Lakers could've push the issue on getting D Wade too on the trading cards. Anyways, LA now with Odom, Butler, and if Kobe resigns they're in much better shape than Miami. By the end of this season I see the Lakers ending with a better regular season record than the Heats. The Lakers could look very very good in papers if they could a decent center...what about Ilgaukas? I'd say trade G Payton to Cav for Ilgaukas. The possibilities of getting Vince Carter are odds but I'd be nice to see Kobe and Carter in the same uniform.

I read some lines about an article saying that the Miami Heats are thinking about Championships already and the Lakers are thinking about rebuilding. This is so ridiculous. It was a good joke though. Heats = championship? I don't believe so at least not this coming up season.
There's my 2 cents on this trade.

Thank you.

Payton for Big Z? What is Cleveland, a moron?

Anyways, salaries don't match, would NEVER EVER happen.

Carter to LA? And do what? Watch Kobe dominate the ball? Why would anyone want to play beside a taller Iverson-type player that cries when he doesn't get his way.

Althought Kobe's shooting is much better compared to Iverson, but again, take into account Iverson has never had a big man ala Shaq to distract the team. He's dealt with double teams constantly.

Kobe has too, we saw what happened in these finals...

Kobe is just another T-Mac when Shaq isn't around. Kobe isn't a "MJ" when he's alone. He's just another T-Mac.

Look for T-Mac to shine with Yao.

Are you always that arrogant? "Go feed that crap to another kobe fan..." blablabla... You don't even know if im a kobe fan but what i know is that you're a kobe hater...
You go all over the place "screw kobe" and other types of intelligent remarks. Have you forgotten LA's sucess ("your" team) is a lot thanks to him (not as much as shaq ok ok) but still.

And for Shaq, he was proposed a big contract and refused. He wants to leave, fine, leave. You can't stand the fact kobe is a priority given his young age, potential, experience, fine, leave.

Im not saying kobes right and shaq's wrong or the contrary but they are both responsible (btw this shit started way before this season) as long as the management. Beleive it or not that's how i see it.

Oh, and stop acting like a child. Shaq is leaving (dont cry), LA might not be that sucessful in the years to come, management sucks, screw kobe...we got it.

To get back on topic this trade is going nowhere for Lakers
They need to get a big man, oh..., i forgot, they just let shaq go

Kobe is just another T-Mac when Shaq isn't around. Kobe isn't a "MJ" when he's alone. He's just another T-Mac.

MJ was like a better T-Mac before he got Pippen...there were many doubts because prior to that, nobody had ever lead the league in scoring and won a championship the same season.

Are you always that arrogant? "Go feed that crap to another kobe fan..." blablabla...

Yes, I am always this arrogant, I'm glad you noticed, it's pretty in your face stuff. I expressed the way I felt about your comments, I thought they were crappy, I asked you politely to go feed it to some other Kobe fans, did I insinuate that you were a Kobe fan? Perhaps, perhaps I didn't, perhaps I asked you to feed it to some other Kobe fans, maybe I didn't mean you're a Kobe fan, maybe I just meant that's the logic of Kobe fans thus they will only believe that "crap". *Tee-hee*

You don't even know if im a kobe fan but what i know is that you're a kobe hater...

Kobe Hater? Meh, I hate the way he thinks everything revolves around him, please refrain from making stupid comments, I've praised Kobe many times, not only saying "good game", I've praised him. Go look it up.
I just balance out the "oooh, Kobe so fiiiiiiiiiiiiine"...ugh.

You go all over the place "screw kobe" and other types of intelligent remarks. Have you forgotten LA's sucess ("your" team) is a lot thanks to him (not as much as shaq ok ok) but still.

You said it yourself, not as much as Shaq, don't you think a person that did THAT much should be handled with a BIT more respect? Don't contradict yourself. Oh, intelligent remarks? Why thank you for the compliment boy. *Yay*

And for Shaq, he was proposed a big contract and refused. He wants to leave, fine, leave. You can't stand the fact kobe is a priority given his young age, potential, experience, fine, leave.

True, I can't stand the fact a kid is given priority to a vet. It's like choosing LeBron over MJ. It's not done, if it is...it's done in a decent manner. Not that disrespectfull shit LA pulled on Shaq. As I asked you, go feed that crap to someone who will listen to it. (Hint hint--> Kobe fans. )

Im not saying kobes right and shaq's wrong or the contrary but they are both responsible (btw this shit started way before this season) as long as the management. Beleive it or not that's how i see it.

Haven't I said this already? Kupchak just rode on the wagon of what West left him. I blame Kobe for the ultimatum he gave LA, how come you failed to mention this in your reply?

Oh, and stop acting like a child. Shaq is leaving (dont cry), LA might not be that sucessful in the years to come, management sucks, screw kobe...we got it.

Don't worry, I won't cry. I'm glad you're that considerate though. You call me intelligent, call me arrogant, call me a crybaby. Good stuff.
Why won't I complain if I see my favorite team made a blunder? What do you expect me to sit back and say, meh..fuck it. It's all good? Again, go feed that crap to Laker fans that would proclaim themselves to be Kobe fans once Kobe decided to go to the Clippers. (God, I envy Fgrep!)

To get back on topic this trade is going nowhere for Lakers
They need to get a big man, oh..., i forgot, they just let shaq go

:doh:

"Don't cry because this trade is going no where for LA."

you know I'm looking back on this whole thing and I think many people are forgetting some things..
Lakers didn't exactly want to trade Shaq. He asked to be traded. Why? Not one reason, but 2

1. Shaq demands.
Wanting a pay increase over with his contract extension to some very high numbers.
whyyyyyyy shaq whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
this was shaq's fault.
he demanded a bit too much money man, seriously, we talking shaq 2 years from now....I don't think 2 years from now we will see "prime time shaq"
its over
its downhill from now. 2 years from now, he won't be as good as he was 4-6 years ago where he was worth the money.
Why not be a big mature guy and take the little paycut? you still getting 20+million, the highest in the league. You aren't Jordan Shaq. You can not be depended on in the final 60seconds of the game. The ball goes to Kobe or anyone that can shoot the 3 or free throws depending on the situation. This is why Jordan can be paid 30+ million. He brings in way more money than Shaq does, probably the most ever in the league. Even after the comeback, Jordan was still the shit. Everyone wanted him back. You can depend on him whatever the situation is. Plus I think he signed 1 year contracts...every year you could see if Jordan will be Jordan or not..if he isn't, well, if he wants to play again, you paycut him.
Not winning the championship last year is also anther reason not to pay him to the rediculously high amount...no guarentee you going to win it all especially with good players like KG, TD, JO, and of coruse Yao on the rise who can probably slow down and maybe even stop Shaq 2 years from now when the high pay comes in. You are already the highest paid player in the league, what more do you need? Your great, most dominant in the game at the moment, however, you've reached a stage where according to historywith other great big men, your numbers start to go down hill and you start to lose your productiveness..when you getting your 35mill a year for putting up numbers that aren't worth the money, then the Lakers will need to add more players but guess what? They won't have the money since one guy is hogging 35million and you have anther superstar who needs his fair pay too..dont tell me kobe doesn't deserve the money he is getting plzzz, he has accomplished a lot of stuff already individually...dont give me the 'because of shaq he can score xx points'..anyway back to shaq..
If shaq was smart, he woulda taken the cut like KG did ( look what they've done with the extra bucks, got a better team for him) and satisify, but the fight and desire for money..if it was a one year deal then maybe, but 2 years is a bit risky and Shaq not having the best workout ( at least thats what I heard) ain't helping the aging guy..

2. The Lakers GM statement on Kobe not being tradable and Shaq can be traded. OK that can piss people off and was a bad move by the Lakers...however they do have a reason for this, because of his demands..
"give me more money and i want 2 years of it".....very huge gamble, very...either years of suckyness with 'old shaq' and cant attract any 'big fish' with no money or hope shaq will change the history of what a normal 'superstar' bigman is.

anyway to sum up all of that, shaq needs to stop demanding so high and realizes his actions as a worker in the offseason and increasing weight combined with the history of great bigmen don't work with him. Maybe he should ask for a 1 year deal, with a option for a 2nd year if he is still as great as he is today and can still beat up the other big people Yao and TD, but other than that, sorry its a business and its a team, not a 'one man to depend on for years

Shaq asked to be traded because they didn't give him the money he wanted... that's part of the story...

It was basically, "Yo Daddy, you get stuff for me (gary & karl) and I'll get stuff for you."

"Aight, I'm the Daddy, I can do that, but when I do, I want my end of the bargain."

So Shaq goes and gets 2 players that (until this season) were still putting up 20 ppg.

Now he got stuff for LA, he wants stuff back.

"I want more money"

LA management didn't keep their word

"You're not just gonna screw the Daddy over like this. He helps you and you leave him in the dust. No way. Trade me damnit."

It's not the Daddy's fault, it's LA management's fault.

Shaq asked to be traded because they didn't give him the money he wanted... that's part of the story...

It was basically, "Yo Daddy, you get stuff for me (gary & karl) and I'll get stuff for you."

"Aight, I'm the Daddy, I can do that, but when I do, I want my end of the bargain."

So Shaq goes and gets 2 players that (until this season) were still putting up 20 ppg.

ahhh, the part I didn't know about
ok so I guess Shaq was right
Thanks for clearing that up, I didnt know he was the reason they signed.

ok i see everyone points on why its the mangement's fault

Now that Kobe has resigned with the Lakers and with all the new acquisitions, let me foreshadow the future:

Kobe: 30+ ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg
Odom: 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 apg
Butler: 15 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.5 apg

I totally agreed with someone who posted before me saying that Shaq ain't MJ. You could've always count on MJ on the last minutes and second of the game to take the shot however Shaq can't shoot 3's nor free throws.... meaning he ain't worth the 20+ mi/ per season.

Many experts believe Shaq is a lock to be a Hall of Famer. However I'm uncertain about his decision to retire as a Magic, Lakers or Heat player. We will see.

Thanks.

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I agree with those who said that Bryant can't win. Probably he can't handle the Lakers but looking at it from both sides, Shaq was leaving no matter what so it was better for the Lakers to keep at least one of the 2.

Shaq said Kobe is selfish but he demands $30 million per season, preventing any team he plays for from hiring better players & get better support. That's loyalty & unselfishness . Besides, in the ESPN interview he demostrated his unselfishness when he said "I only care about me right now".

I'm not happy to see O'Neal leaving the team but he decided to do it. In fact, it will be good for the East to have him back, here he will be facing a bunch of PF playing his position, he'll dominate just like he did in his Magic days when the East at least had Ewing & Mourning. Yeah the Lakers lost but look at his numbers in the Finals. He'll remain as the most powerful player no matter where he goes. The Lakers got almost nothing in return but oh well... Hopefully they keep trading the newcomers. They won't get used to watch Kobe shooting the ball everytime he touches it, nobody likes the idea.

Anyway, I've heard the last time there was so much excitement in Miami was when they found out that Harold "Baby Jordan" Miner had patterned his game after Eddie Jordan,

Word has it Horry wants to play alongside Shaq again...I can dig up the article if asked..