LINsanity

[Solaris Phase Two]

When jeremy lin starts being good in post season. And starts to actually play against kobe(guarding him) and averages 20 a season. Then talk to me. he
hasnt did anything yet. Plus he averages 8 turnovers. More than a 38 year old jason kidd had. Come on. All the hype. Wait till the playoffs

[Andrew]

Has to have been done on purpose.

When jeremy lin starts being good in post season. And starts to actually play against kobe(guarding him) and averages 20 a season. Then talk to me. he
hasnt did anything yet. Plus he averages 8 turnovers. More than a 38 year old jason kidd had. Come on. All the hype. Wait till the playoffs

We shouldn't get too carried away, but to say he's done nothing is to give him too little credit for a stretch of games that haven't been perfect, sure, but have certainly seen some impressive stats and flashes of brilliance. He has a long way to go to truly prove himself and yes, that does include maintaining performance over a whole season and rising to the challenge in the Playoffs. Still, he's been on a roll lately and appears to have a bright future. It's clear that there's some talent there, it wouldn't be fair to call his play a fluke or accident.

The turnovers are a concern, he had a bad game against the Hornets in that regard and seven turnovers against the Mavericks today. Still, the Knicks won the game and as far as the comparison with Kidd, Lin had seven turnovers in 46 minutes while Kidd had five turnovers in 28 minutes. In other words, only two more turnovers in significantly more minutes. At that turnover per minutes rate, Kidd would have had eight turnovers in 46 minutes, so there's really not much difference between the two in this game.

Points guards rack up a lot of turnovers, because they have the ball in their hands in a lot. Kidd's career average is 3 per game, with years up around the 4 per game mark. Magic Johnson averaged just under 4 per game for his career, including 4.6 per game in 1984. John Stockton's career average is 2.6 per game, Gary Payton's is 2.3. Tim Hardaway averaged 2.9 turnovers per game for his career and committed an average of around three and a half per game for his first five years in the league. Jason Kidd is the co-holder of the dubious record for most turnovers in a single game with 14.

Lin's currently averaging 3.2 turnovers per game on the season, 6.4 per game as a starter (not eight in either case). That needs to get better, but he's still averaging more assists than turnovers and it doesn't change the fact that he's putting up some good numbers elsewhere and again, has some talent to work with. We should be wary of getting ahead of ourselves but right now, things are looking promising for him. He deserves some criticism for the turnovers, but he also deserves credit for his performance overall. He's shaping up to be a player to watch right now.

[Solaris Phase Two]

What i meant was that people are crazy about this dude to much. I think floyd was correct. Example: Emineim is a rapper. Good yes. Has more publicty because what. He was a good and he was white. Because rap wasnt being dominated by one culture anymore. Same for tiger woods. Hes good. Made it more public cause he was black. Golf wasnt dominated by only one culture again. The only reason i cant say that in floyds case cause their have been many black boxers before him. But to sit there and call him racist and stupid for that one comment is insane. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. But when we do use it. Were trashed for it.

[Sauru]

even though its only been a few games its a big much to say he has done nothing. really going by the logic you used 90% of the nba has never done anything

[[Q]]

cool interview

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[Andrew]

ESPN fires employee for headline on Jeremy Lin

BRISTOL, Connecticut (AP)—ESPN fired an employee responsible for an offensive headline about Knicks sensation Jeremy Lin.

The headline Friday on ESPN’s mobile website was used for a story about a New York loss in which Lin had nine turnovers. The headline was an idiom that contains a word that also can be used as a slur against Chinese.

[koberulz]

Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. But when we do use it. Were trashed for it.

I love this argument. "I'm entitled to freedom of speech, therefore you cannot criticise me!"

[[Q]]

you know, i'm not even offended by the slur itself. i'm more offended that people still think it's actually ok to still use it, let alone use it in a headline on the biggest news site for sports. nobody would ever dare call a lazy black player "n****rish" in a headline, wouldn't say Mark Sanchez had a "wet back" if he got a cooler of Gatorade dumped on him, so the fact that at least 2 people approved of this (writer, editor, etc) shows that there's still something wrong in this country when it comes to Asian and more specifically Asian male representation

i do commend ESPN for making such a quick decision on it, which is quite unprecedented for something like this. perhaps, it's a gesture of goodwill, perhaps it's a way to show that they don't stand for it, or perhaps it was to prevent further criticism of its product during a time where Lin is in and can do no wrong. whatever the case, it's nice to see that there was something done about it.

[NovU]

ESPN has let this go on for too long. Not the first time they had fun making racial jokes. Good that they taken some actions this time around.

What i meant was that people are crazy about this dude to much. I think floyd was correct. Example: Emineim is a rapper. Good yes. Has more publicty because what. He was a good and he was white. Because rap wasnt being dominated by one culture anymore. Same for tiger woods. Hes good. Made it more public cause he was black. Golf wasnt dominated by only one culture again. The only reason i cant say that in floyds case cause their have been many black boxers before him. But to sit there and call him racist and stupid for that one comment is insane. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. But when we do use it. Were trashed for it.

Yeah genius. He gets more attention than usual because he's asian.
People should learn to deal with it. This is a sport with black dominance. Rare whites and virtually no asian. Then out of nowhere, yellow kid shows up and gets some praises. What's so bad about it, for the sake of basketball really? He's a hero to asian and many underdogs out there, including myself for saving my pathetic fantasy league franchise(Kidd never showed up).

With that said, don't forget that the kid also saved the Knicks who were on the verge of entering Isiah Thomas type of doomsday once again with underachieving players with terrible contracts. And then this underdog comes in and lights up the fire and brings back the excitement that was lost for more than couple decades on the biggest stage of world. This actually was an excitement to me as a long time basketball fan even though I never liked NYK before.

[shadowgrin]

People should learn to deal with it. This is a sport with black dominance. Rare whites and virtually no asian. Then out of nowhere, yellow kid shows up and gets some praises. What's so bad about it, for the sake of basketball really? He's a hero to asian and many underdogs out there, including myself for saving my pathetic fantasy league franchise.

With that said, don't forget that the kid also saved the Knicks who were on the verge of entering Isiah Thomas type of doomsday once again with underachieving players with terrible contracts. And then this underdog comes in and lights up the fire and brings back the excitement that was lost for more than couple decades on the biggest stage of world. This actually was an excitement to me as a long time basketball fan even though I never liked NYK before.

Way to go in lecturing against racism and stereotypes.

This is Lintersesting:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks ... jeremy-lin

So he's as quick as John Wall, spins as fast as Derrick Rose, and releases his shots as quick as Ray Allen.

Ah ESPN's Sports Science...

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See if you people can spot the error. See if you can also spot the same one benji did and have a lol at it.

[Andrew]

you know, i'm not even offended by the slur itself. i'm more offended that people still think it's actually ok to still use it, let alone use it in a headline on the biggest news site for sports. nobody would ever dare call a lazy black player "n****rish" in a headline, wouldn't say Mark Sanchez had a "wet back" if he got a cooler of Gatorade dumped on him, so the fact that at least 2 people approved of this (writer, editor, etc) shows that there's still something wrong in this country when it comes to Asian and more specifically Asian male representation

i do commend ESPN for making such a quick decision on it, which is quite unprecedented for something like this. perhaps, it's a gesture of goodwill, perhaps it's a way to show that they don't stand for it, or perhaps it was to prevent further criticism of its product during a time where Lin is in and can do no wrong. whatever the case, it's nice to see that there was something done about it.

It is bewildering that it got the green light. The use of the word "chink" referring to a crack or vulnerability and the phrase "a chink in one's armour" surely long pre-date the word's common use as a racial slur, but it's obviously meant as a pun on the slur here. Whoever thought it'd be a good idea is either very out of touch or has a poor sense of humour, but like you said there's someone else who didn't give it a second thought and let it go.

[niharjhatn]

See if you people can spot the error. See if you can also spot the same one benji did and have a lol at it.

Yeah, I kinda lost all respect for ESPN over the years. If I paid Sport Science enough, they could convince you I am the next Jordan

I obviously don't have the stats that Sport Science supposedly measure, but based on TV comparisons I honestly don't think you can compare the speed of Lin to that of Wall.

Not a knock on him, just saying I honestly doubt he is as fast as wall (even over 3 steps).

But he has completely blown me out of the water. Guys saying he is the next Nash or already better than Rondo need to get a freaking reality check though. he has been great, but come on, you are disrespecting Nash and Rondo already comparing them to him.

[Andrew]

Absolutely, that's jumping the gun. Far too soon for praise like that.

[shadowgrin]

https://twitter.com/#!/paulcoro/status/ ... 6984868864

Quote of the night from @SteveNash, talking to Chinese media about you-know-who: "I'm the Canadian Jeremy Lin."

[[Q]]

Guys saying he is ... already better than Rondo need to get a freaking reality check though.

Lin's jumper = $
Rondo's jumper = airball
small sample size, but Lin is pretty much better in every area except for maybe turnovers but that should normalize soon enough

[shadowgrin]

Lin is a better defender than Rondo? That's news to me.

[[Q]]

well Rondo isn't exactly a great defensive player like Fisher or Delonte West

[shadowgrin]

Rondo may gamble at times but he makes his assignment less effective than Delonte.
Delonte
Rondo
(young or old) Derek Fisher.


And this still stands: Lin is a better defender than Rondo now?



And for more lulz: Nash
He's not the defensive liability that people make him out to be. If he's guarding a good player one-on-one, Nash will certainly look like Derek Fisher but Nash's basketball IQ is good enough for him to play decent team defense. Unfortunately his teams weren't defensive teams.

[Sauru]

lin is not better than rondo....yet

[[Q]]

Rondo may gamble at times but he makes his assignment less effective than Delonte.
Delonte
Rondo
(young or old) Derek Fisher.

gambling does not always mean you're a good defender... sure, you get steals but if you miss, you leave your team virtually 5 on 4, but with Garnett (and formerly Perkins) anchoring the middle of the paint Rondo was able to do that without getting burned too badly. unfortunately most players don't have that luxury. plus, delonte hasn't had major minutes or significant playing time since he was on Cleveland and shut down Rip Hamilton and Joe Johnson in consecutive rounds in the playoffs

plus, half of Rondo's game is based off of his inability to shoot. when defenders back off of him, he is able to get a running start into the lane or find great passing lanes

[NovU]

Obviously Lin has a loooo0000000000oong way to go untill he can be in the discussion with class of Rondo.

He's still at a point he's gotta prove that he's not going to end up one hit wonder. Possibly 2 or 3 years of steady performance and improvement can eventually get him there though.

[Axel]

I've been keeping up with LINsanity since the first day he started and I am a believer in his skills. I would pick him in a draft ahead of Rajon Rondo any day of the week. Rondo is not an elite PG, and people were severely over hyping him. Don't get me wrong, he has had some great moments in the past, but now that the Celtics as a team have weakened, Rondo has become less effective. His shot hasn't improved since he's been in the NBA. He's not good to have in at the end of games because defenses help off of him, and he is a poor free throw shooter. He's no good unless he has great players around him. Lin is a much better shooter and is no slouch defensively (2.25 spg as starter). He's also bigger than Rondo. Give him a few years of development and more time in the gym. I think in D'Antoni's "system" he could average 18/8/2 while shooting a decent clip from 3 and the FT line. I really like how often he gets to the FT line. That is going to keep him around for a LONG time.

[atlwarrior]

So now we're already comparing Jeremy Lin to Rondo. Guys maybe we should wait on this one at least until the playoffs. Maybe a little longer than that. Jeremy Lin has proven to be a better offensive scorer thus far but that doesn't mean we should downplay Rondo's skills as a pg. Rondo is not bad offensively. And he has shown some improvement in his mid range game. And C'mon Bra! Lin a better defender than Rondo? Yes Lin is very talented but let's not get so caught up with that, that we start forgetting about the other talented pg's performances. Rondo has had many great performances during his career. Even with all of the great games we have seen by Lin this year they still don't measure up to what Rondo has done during his career.

Edit: BTW a little payback by Deron Williams by dropping 38 pts on the Knicks tonight. He hit 8 three pointers!

[shadowgrin]

Rondo may gamble at times but he makes his assignment less effective than Delonte.

gambling does not always mean you're a good defender...

That's what 'may' means - 'not always', but that doesn't mean Rondo is like Derek Fisher on D or that Lin is better than Rondo on D either.


You're making Lin look good by making it look like Rondo is as inept as Derek Fisher instead of showing how Lin is a better defender than Rondo and show that...

Lin is pretty much better in every area

Still...

Lin is a better defender than Rondo now?

[CheddahCheese]

Rondo has shown the ability to lead a team to a championship. I don't care if he has HOF teammates, as a PG, your job should be to give your offensive weapons the ball on right spots, know their game and make everyone on the team better, & Rondo does that better than arguably anyone in the league.

I still don't know if Lin is a true PG like Rondo. He's no doubt a better scorer than Rondo but in terms of making everyone on the team better, playing elite defense, changing other team's game plan? Lin's not there yet. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, guys. Deron Williams just scored 38 on him.