See this is why I don't like Laker fans..

Aren't cheap but poor eh? So why did they release Brian Shaw in the middle of the season just to sign him back for a CHEAPER CONTRACT? It's gonna be even more true when and IF they sign Robert Horry back, to yes, another CHEAP CONTRACT. If I am correct, they were still the defending Champs, they weren't going after any big name Free Agents at the time Shaw was released. So explain why they released him then resigned him right away?

So they had money to make moves in the offseason. It's called good management. I don't see why you have such a big problem with it.

There's not really an "if" in that question and YOU KNOW IT. The Spurs wouldn't be signing Malone and Payton to only a combined $6 million a year if they have money would they? I think not. So your comment on this is just stupid.

Use your imagination then. If the Spurs only had that amount to spend and signed Malone and Payton, would you still be reacting like this? I'm trying to prove a point that you only disagree about them signing small contracts because they signed with a team you dislike. My comment isn't stupid.

Did you EVER read what I posted above? You're missing key points here Clinton. Didn't I say I didn't like the Jazz, Nets, Mavs, Kings too? I'm only getting on the Lakers and their fans because they brought it up to themselves to be attack by others fans. Do you see any of the teams I didn't like sign anybody to a cheap deal? Did any fan of those teams make a banner/graphic declaring themselve the 2004 Champs? ONLY the Lakers and their fans would do those things, so why are you surprised I'm on their ass the way I am? Sheesh.

Make up your mind. Do you hate the Lakers because they are "cheap" or because some cocky fans make "banners". I must missing key points because your not making any sense.
For a start get over the contracts. I think it is great that two players of Malone and Payton's level of skill and experience are taking a paycut in order to chase a dream. It shows they have a love for the game that goes past the millions of dollars. In my posts I have asked for one legitimate reason for why this is such a disaster, and I haven't got one yet.
Now onto the big, scary banners. Why are these things getting you so angry? Have you actually thought who might be making them? Do you think the Lakers management is releasing them? Or do you think there are cocky, arrogant 13 year old Laker fans all across the world who have nothing better to do then make graphics/banners and post in forums saying the Lakers are going to go 82-0?

LOL! "A few," hahaha!!. That's funny Clinton. Show me "a few" of the fans, I don't believe it until I see it (or read) when my own eyes. I bet I can show you more than "a few" cocky and arrogant Laker fans out there.

I'm sure there are more than a few cocky and arrogant Laker fans out there. I'm talking about on this board. There a few in this forum and I'm sure they have clones in every other forum you go to. I don't know how people are reacting on other forums because I don't post anywhere else.

If that could be called desperate, it's a different kind of desperate. Yes every team upgrade each year/summer to get better. To make a run for the title the next year. As I said, it's a different type of desperate. The desperate I was talking about was about the LAKERS MANAGEMENT, PAYTON AND KARL MALONE?

WTF? Now you are making no sense. You are completely blinded by your hate for the Lakers. Come up with some decent arguments or don't bother posting.

Ohh, it's called "read more carefully" of what's being said above before you say something else.

So now you weren't implying that the Lakers desperation to win a title was a negative attribute???

Hmm..show me ONE time I called the Lakers, the "Lackers." If you can, I will shut up.

Payton only suffers from not being there, so now he's REALLY desperate to be there. So he signs with the "Lackers"

There you go. You can shut up now.

Anyway, so if anyone who calls the Lakers, the "Lackers." That automatically qualifies them to being a "Laker hater?" So does Shaquille O'Neal calling the Sacramento Kings, the "Sacramento Queens" automatically makes him a Kings hater? If not, so what's the difference from him calling them the "Queens" and not being called a hater? From other fans calling the Lakers, "Lackers" and being called a "hater?" Is it because Shaq's on the Lakers AND he could call any team, or anybody names if he wants? Please explain this Clinton..

Yeah I think Shaq qualifies as a Kings Hater for sure. And I'm also sure Shaq says what he wants to say, when he wants to say it. That's Shaq. I never however said that if you call the Kings the Queens you are not a hater.

Clinton

Dont you worry bout my grammer, worry about the bullshit you're writing.

You must be quiet retarted if you don't know what you wrote and what Ceaser wrote.

Quit whining, that's all you're doing, "Lakers are cheap, Laker fans suck, bla bla bla."

As I've said before let's see what the season has in store for us.
I'm done. No more, you come up with the lamest ass bullshit....wtf? MY GRAMMAR is all you could come up with...? You're even more pathetic than I had imagined, ok it might not be the best in the English Grammar but you get what I'm talking about rite?
Atleast I'm posting shit worth discussing, instead of "Oh, this is why I hate Spur/Queen/Sonic fans..." .

The title reads this is why I dont like laker fans...so I as a Laker fan felt you meant me...you did not write, This is why I dont like PATICULAR Laker Fans....If you're stupid enough to get confused about the quoting matter...than I and others like Scubilite/ Clinton have a right to feel that you mean us with that title.

* sigh *



Andrew should do a whole sub-section inside the NBA Talk section... To the Lakers & Kobe fans...

Where did I say "every Laker fan?"

What's the title of the this topic?

Hmm..the title of this topic says..

See this is why I don't like Laker fans..

I don't see the word "every Laker fan" in the topic. Do you?

It's called good management.

So what if every team in the NBA starts doing what the Lakers are doing. Players taking huge paycuts all of a sudden, teams releasing and signing them back to cheaper contracts. They should all do that so they could have more money during the offseason to sign more superstar players? You call that "good management?" Hey, why don't all the team realize that, it's called "good management." Don't think they could go wrong and everybody will be happy to take paycuts. Yeah right man.

Use your imagination then. If the Spurs only had that amount to spend and signed Malone and Payton, would you still be reacting like this?

Didn't I say THERE'S NO IF?? I think I did, be real man. Look at what the Spurs have this year, they have a lot of room to make some moves because Robinson retired. So why all of a sudden you say, "If the Spurs only had that amount, blah, blah, blah?" Go with what they have during this offseason and not make up something as stupid as, "if this, if that."

Do you hate the Lakers because they are "cheap" or because some cocky fans make "banners".

Read what is said, I dislike their management, dislike the way they run things. Dislike their players, so yeah that means I don't like the Lakers either. Oh yeah, and their fans because of what? Being so damn cocky and arrogant.

Now onto the big, scary banners. Why are these things getting you so angry? Have you actually thought who might be making them?

Um..a Laker fan? Dude, don't be stupid and ask such a dumbass question like that

Do you think the Lakers management is releasing them? Or do you think there are cocky, arrogant 13 year old Laker fans all across the world who have nothing better to do then make graphics/banners and post in forums saying the Lakers are going to go 82-0?

WHOEVER it is a Laker fan. To me, a fan is a fan no matter how old he or she is.

I'm sure there are more than a few cocky and arrogant Laker fans out there. I'm talking about on this board. There a few in this forum and I'm sure they have clones in every other forum you go to. I don't know how people are reacting on other forums because I don't post anywhere else.

That's why you DON'T KNOW the whold story of what I'm trying to point out. The ESPN board is the true place to listen to the MAJORITY of the fans. Either Laker fans or other NBA fans, then you will see how many people out there don't like the Lakers.

WTF? Now you are making no sense. You are completely blinded by your hate for the Lakers. Come up with some decent arguments or don't bother posting.

If you're that much of a slow learner, I'll reemphasize that sentence JUST FOR YOU.

I said Karl Malone, Gary Payton, and the Laker management are desperate. Understand that now?

Sheesh..

Hmm..show me ONE time I called the Lakers, the "Lackers." If you can, I will shut up.

Payton only suffers from not being there, so now he's REALLY desperate to be there. So he signs with the "Lackers"

There you go. You can shut up now.

Ha! I'm not stupid you know? You don't think I know what I wrote? You for one only quoted a little part of it. If you quoted a few more words to that sentence, you should know that I was joking. There's also a little sarcasm there too, maybe you didn't know that maybe?

Payton only suffers from not being there, so now he's REALLY desperate to be there. So he signs with the "Lackers" as Ben might say heh.

This is what I said buddy

And I'm also sure Shaq says what he wants to say, when he wants to say it. That's Shaq.

Yeah, Shaq says anything he wants. Nobody wants a piece of Shaq cuz he's gonna beat you up if you do. Please.. He thinks he's all that, just cuz he's big and tough, he think nobody would wanna mess with him. Haha, look at Brad Miller, he's not scared of "Superman." LOL!! I'm not scared of "Superman" either Shaq is a JOKE ok? Yes I did say he is a JOKE. Look at him when he gets fouled, flying everywhere. Landing on his ass more of the time. Oh he's so big now huh? Calling the Kings, "Queens." Oh that's really mature for a 31 year old MAN..oh wait, it' "Superman." Hahaha!! Ok I'll stop now, heh

You must be quiet retarted if you don't know what you wrote and what Ceaser wrote.

WOW, that is a very good excuse you got there Psycho. I'm impressed, LOL.

Quit whining, that's all you're doing, "Lakers are cheap, Laker fans suck, bla bla bla."

As I've said before let's see what the season has in store for us.
I'm done. No more, you come up with the lamest ass bullshit....wtf? MY GRAMMAR is all you could come up with...? You're even more pathetic than I had imagined, ok it might not be the best in the English Grammar but you get what I'm talking about rite?
Atleast I'm posting shit worth discussing, instead of "Oh, this is why I hate Spur/Queen/Sonic fans..." .

The title reads this is why I dont like laker fans...so I as a Laker fan felt you meant me...you did not write, This is why I dont like PATICULAR Laker Fans....If you're stupid enough to get confused about the quoting matter...than I and others like Scubilite/ Clinton have a right to feel that you mean us with that title.

LOL, man..I'll just leave you alone cuz I'm not gonna waste anymore of my time dealing with you. You can't spell, no English grammar whatsoever. You're not worth dealing with, late.

Travis

So what if every team in the NBA starts doing what the Lakers are doing. Players taking huge paycuts all of a sudden, teams releasing and signing them back to cheaper contracts. They should all do that so they could have more money during the offseason to sign more superstar players? You call that "good management?" Hey, why don't all the team realize that, it's called "good management." Don't think they could go wrong and everybody will be happy to take paycuts. Yeah right man.

The universe is not going to collapse in on itself because some basketball players aren't getting 15-20 million dollar contracts. You still haven't given one single legitimate reason why superstars signing small contracts is such a disaster.

Didn't I say THERE'S NO IF?? I think I did, be real man. Look at what the Spurs have this year, they have a lot of room to make some moves because Robinson retired. So why all of a sudden you say, "If the Spurs only had that amount, blah, blah, blah?" Go with what they have during this offseason and not make up something as stupid as, "if this, if that."

I'm trying to use an example. Choose a team you like who had about the same cap room as the Lakers. Would you still be pissed off if they signed there for mininum contract. I'm trying to prove that you have double standards on the issue. If you don't tell me what you have against superstars signing small contracts in order to go to a contender.

Um..a Laker fan? Dude, don't be stupid and ask such a dumbass question like that

I'm just trying to get behind why you are so worried by them. Like I said, it was probably made by some 13 year old who fits your description of the cocky, arrogant Laker fan.

WHOEVER it is a Laker fan. To me, a fan is a fan no matter how old he or she is.

I know they are a fan no matter what they're age. But younger people have limited intelligence and like to cause trouble. They are usually the ones making these banners and spaming Laker praises everywhere, don't you think? Why does this make you hate all Laker fans?

That's why you DON'T KNOW the whold story of what I'm trying to point out. The ESPN board is the true place to listen to the MAJORITY of the fans. Either Laker fans or other NBA fans, then you will see how many people out there don't like the Lakers.

I don't really care how many people out there don't like the Lakers. Plenty of people don't like the Bulls because of what MJ and co. did to their teams back in the day. When a team wins 3 straight titles they are bound to make enemy's. People get jealous that their teams aren't having the same success.

If you're that much of a slow learner, I'll reemphasize that sentence JUST FOR YOU.

I said Karl Malone, Gary Payton, and the Laker management are desperate. Understand that now?

You have said that plenty of times before. Yet I still don't see why it is a negative thing and you have yet to tell me even thought I have asked you to explain a couple of times. So tell me Travis, why is desperation to win a title a bad attribute to have? Would it not make the drive to win larger and mean they are going to give their all?? Explain, please don't dodge it again.

Ha! I'm not stupid you know? You don't think I know what I wrote? You for one only quoted a little part of it. If you quoted a few more words to that sentence, you should know that I was joking. There's also a little sarcasm there too, maybe you didn't know that maybe?

I quoted the part where you called the the Lackers. You asked where you said Lackers, I showed you. Joking or not you said it. Did you or did you not? Just because you put "heh" that cancels out the fact you called them the Lackers??

This is what I said buddy

I saw what you said and you said Lackers? Yes or no? If yes, shut up. That was the deal.

Yeah, Shaq says anything he wants. Nobody wants a piece of Shaq cuz he's gonna beat you up if you do. Please.. He thinks he's all that, just cuz he's big and tough, he think nobody would wanna mess with him. Haha, look at Brad Miller, he's not scared of "Superman."

Shaq does say what he wants. I didn't say anything nobody wanting a piece of him or him going aroung punching people. I'm sure a majority of the NBA wouldn't want to face up to Shaq.

I'm not scared of "Superman" either Shaq is a JOKE ok? Yes I did say he is a JOKE.

So you would walk to Shaq look into his eyes and start verbally insulting him. Don't be stupid. If he wasn't in the public eye he would beat your arse down. Are you seriously saying you would stand up to Shaq? I just want to certify that you are completely insane.

Look at him when he gets fouled, flying everywhere. Landing on his ass more of the time.

I think your thinking of Vlade Divac when Shaq is dominating him in the post.

Ok I'll stop now, heh

Thanks. Ohh shit. Are you just lying, cause you said heh.

first scub en shane, now this , know ur feelin' tales(and just to make things worse : i think ppl are upset by malone and payton not cuz they signed with a team so they could win a ring, cuz they deserve a ring, everybody knows that, but the fact that they took the easiest way out and signed with a team that already was a championship that didn't' need them, but the lakers signed them, and that was idd great management, though imho malone was enough, payton and the lakers, dunno bout that marriage, and that's that)

first scub en shane, now this

I'm going to skip a lot now, but going back with Travis.

I for one haven't heard their fans say they're going to repeat.

They will never say they will repeat knowing the Lakers, they must be crazy if they think they would.

Their fans keep quiet and not cuz all this commotion like Laker fans do. Oh yeah, when the Spurs won their first title in '99. I didn't see or hear of fans destroying cars, burning stores, breaking into other properties.

Have you ever been in San Antonio?, there are Mexicans all over (nothing about racism but Mexicans are not known for Basketball tradition) and also that's the most boring city in the U.S. That's why when Kidd went there didn't like it even his wife said she's not going to live in that old fashioned city.

So why are you saying they have arrogant and cocky fans? Where is your proof?

Where is your proof that I said they do have any? I clearly said every fan gets excited for seeing his team improving and all of them think they will be champs, every team gets to the season saying they will get to the Playoffs and then will be champions, so just get that now that even the Suns are planning to be champs and I wouldn't get surprised if they get a trade for LeBron & T-Mac and you come here saying they will be the next season champs. I wouldn't dislike you for saying that.

That was the very first major sports Championship for the state of Arizona. Yes a lot of people were happy cuz they won, but the fans didn't cause trouble on the streets.

Everyone has a different way of partying, you meant the Diamondbacks from the desert? Who's going to party in a place where is always over 90 degrees? They are lucky there's water over there.

I act more mature and I will express my opinion on what I feel is right and what I feel is wrong.

And we express ours, the problem is if I don't like yours, I don't have to dislike you for that, but if I express mine, then you will dislike me,

Just because I'm brave enough to bring it up, I got facts to back up my statements.

Terrific picture, isn't it?

That's what makes them arrogant and cocky.

Too bad, if I had the opportunity to have fun creating pics like that, I would, but I don't have the time, . I guess that makes me even more arroGiant.

How can you say it's "hate" when all I'm doing is expressing what I feel?

Exactly, that was what I told Andrew, you are expressing your feelings, I don't think dislike will ever be an opinion. However, hate & love are feelings.

So what you're trying to say is because I'm not a fan of your Lakers, I'm automatically considered a "Laker hater?"

No, not other teams fans are considered Laker hater if they don't express hate towards the same.

How come if I say something like I don't like the Jazz because of Stockton and Malone

That was cause you never came with the comment that you dislike Jazz' fans cause they think they will be champions.

But when it comes to the Lakers, I'm called a "Laker hater" just like everybody else that expresses a negative thing about them? Comon man, be more reasonable with your comments.

I'm being more reasonable than anybody and showing you what is happening to you.

If someone says that Kobe doesn't like to pass the ball, I wouldn't call him "Kobe hater" cause that's the truth or their opinion, but if someone says "this is why I don't like Kobe fans, cause they think he's the best when the guy never passes the ball", then you are showing your hate, you dislike Kobe fans for having their own opinion about their fav. player.

That's being reasonable, I don't think anyone was ever tought to hate/dislike someone for expressing their opinion or for having a different opinion or for making a logo that says their fav. team will be champions. I'm sorry, I'm just not like that and just think it's not worthy to dislike a person for that.

Scub and I were actually discussing something that had to do with basketball as opposed to why someone does or doesn't like a team....

IMO, Payton and Malone could have signed with San Antonio for more money and had a just as likely, if not better, chance for a title...

first scub en shane, now this , know ur feelin' tales(and just to make things worse : i think ppl are upset by malone and payton not cuz they signed with a team so they could win a ring, cuz they deserve a ring, everybody knows that, but the fact that they took the easiest way out and signed with a team that already was a championship that didn't' need them, but the lakers signed them, and that was idd great management, though imho malone was enough, payton and the lakers, dunno bout that marriage, and that's that)

The Lakers, IMO, to get passed the Spurs, needed a better power forward and a better point guard. Derek Fisher couldn't hold his own against Tony Parker, something that Payton can do. Payton IS better than Parker. Horry was getting absolutely killed down low by Tim Duncan. Karl Malone will do much better against Tim Duncan. Yeah, the Lakers would still be contenders without their new additions, but Payton and Malone fill the two biggest holes that the Lakers had in their series against the Spurs.

Payton and Malone still have to play the best that they can, and taking less money for a championship is nothing short of a class act. It shouldn't be brought down and thought of as the easy way out or that they're desperate. Hell I would love it if I were given 1.5 million or 4.9 million dollars a year to play basketball. I mean, it's not a lot compared to what they used to earn but it's still quite a lot compared to what the modern day worker makes a year. People would kill for that. They've already got millions, and they're already set for life. Is it so wrong to want a ring so bad? By making these two guys one package, is pure genius. By having them come together is very smart and you can't blame them. They got two future hall of famers who are better than they could really offer, yet by including Payton into the talks with Malone, and including Malone into the talks with Malone, made it so that they could obtain these two. To criticze them is out of nothing by jealousy and hating.

The Spurs thought that they could do better than Malone and Payton so they never made runs at them. Had they done what the Lakers had done than they could have been the winners of the post season. But they didn't. And look at where they are now. All they could get was Rasho because they couldn't get what they aimed towards. They could of easily offered more than the Lakers offered them but they didn't. Many teams could have offered more but didn't and that's all of their faults. The Lakers did perfectly and Payton and Malone are now on a team that's the favorite to win the championship, and they'll finally get what's missing int their careers.

You still haven't given one single legitimate reason why superstars signing small contracts is such a disaster.

When the hell did I say players signing small contracts is such a "disaster?" I never said it was a disaster, my point is that it's cheap and it's pretty much an easy-way-out (as far as Malone and Payton goes). Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out to get a ring, that's why I mentioned the word "desperate?"

I'm trying to use an example.

Well stop using stupid examples such as that, at least try to be more realistic.

Choose a team you like who had about the same cap room as the Lakers.

Yeah there might be some teams with about the same cap room as the Lakers, but you're not gonna see them have the privilege of signing players with the caliber of Malone and Payton right?

Would you still be pissed off if they signed there for mininum contract.

Yes I would IF it was out of desperation, and what Malone and Payton did was desperation. I can see it being OK if it was Tim Duncan, or Michael Jordan. Cuz I mean they both have their rings, they could take paycuts to help the team rebuild or reload. Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring, so therefore there would be some criticism when they do sign small contracts.

I'm just trying to get behind why you are so worried by them. Like I said, it was probably made by some 13 year old who fits your description of the cocky, arrogant Laker fan.

I don't think any 13 year old kid could be that highly skilled to make such a banner/graphic. Hey I could be wrong, but it's more likely been a work of a 15+ year old person.

I know they are a fan no matter what they're age. But younger people have limited intelligence and like to cause trouble. They are usually the ones making these banners and spaming Laker praises everywhere, don't you think?

I agree

Why does this make you hate all Laker fans?

Again, I did not say I hated all Laker fans. Maybe the title of the topic wasn't more exact so you guys think I meant all Laker fans. I did however reiterate by saying the majority of Laker fans are that way.

So tell me Travis, why is desperation to win a title a bad attribute to have?

Desperation to win a title is not a negative attribute by no means, but there is always a catch to that. Every team wants to win, and wants to win titles. The only catch to that is, there is a right and wrong, or easy-way-out. The right way is when a management treats their players right, everybody is happy. Happy to participate and work hard to win the title. What Malone and Payton are doing is signing cheap contracts on a team with already 2 of the best players at their positions. So look at it this way, they wouldn't have to work as hard to win games. Wouldn't have to work as hard to win the title, so therefore it's not much respected if they do win the Championship. Here's a question for you. Would you rather put a lot of hard work into a certain goal and achieve it? Or put less work into something and winning it as well, BUT you know deep down inside that you got big time help to get it. I would be damn proud of myself for my hard work. I wouldn't be proud to get something that's pretty much put on a silver platter. All I had to do is take it, or in this case, just sign a cheap deal and be on a team with 2 All-Stars already. How can you be proud of that? You know where I'm going with this or not?

Would it not make the drive to win larger and mean they are going to give their all??

It should always be hard to win a major title in sports. You know when you do give it your all to achieve something. In this case, Payton and Malone did try to give it their all to win; but failed. So they just want to win the title so much that they'll do anything to get it. Yes it is a good thing but what's the point of making the challenge easier? How can they be proud of themselves when they get the ring and retire, knowing they got a lot of help to achive it? I don't know about you but many people out there wants to be challenged. Being challenged is a good thing am I right?

You asked where you said Lackers, I showed you. Joking or not you said it. Did you or did you not? Just because you put "heh" that cancels out the fact you called them the Lackers??

You should know when I'm joking or not, not very hard to tell. Sarcasm and joking around isn't hard to differentiate. So you should've known that I was on the sarcasm side by quoting Ben. Also if you looked at all the times I posted on here, I only call them by the "Lakers." That was the ONLY time I used "Lackers," so..think what you want.

I'm sure a majority of the NBA wouldn't want to face up to Shaq.

Well they should, cuz I mean what are they so scared about? Not like he's gonna punch someone out.. He would be suspended or sued by the other player. Oh yeah, he could also end up in jail if he kills the guy, lol.

So you would walk to Shaq look into his eyes and start verbally insulting him.

Haha, what do I have to lose? If this was out in public, hell he can't do anything about it. I could just say whatever I want in his face and if he decides to attack me, his ass will be jailed. All he really has to do is walk away like a ***** that he is..

Don't be stupid. If he wasn't in the public eye he would beat your arse down.

Haha, that would be to my advantage after the beating, LOL Like I said, there are crimes for those

Are you seriously saying you would stand up to Shaq? I just want to certify that you are completely insane.

Yep, like I said, I have nothing to lose really. Oh and I'm not insane, just smart cuz I am not afraid of "Superman." Nor am I a chicken to run away or let him punk me around. I'm smarter than that man

I think your thinking of Vlade Divac when Shaq is dominating him in the post.

Nope, I know what I saw.

Thanks. Ohh shit. Are you just lying, cause you said heh.

So lame, not even funny..*yawns*

As for the rest of you guys that I haven't answered to, I will later cuz I have better things to do. Late.

Travis

The way you pointed out my spelling & grammer, made you sound like a Spelling & Grammer wiz-kid.

have the privilege

Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring

Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out

The way you pointed out my spelling & grammer, made you sound like a Spelling & Grammer wiz-kid.

have the privilege

Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring

Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out

I thought you weren't going to post anything else about this post anymore? Also, what's up with all that quoting and underlining my posts? What are you trying to point out there? Hmm..

When the hell did I say players signing small contracts is such a "disaster?" I never said it was a disaster, my point is that it's cheap and it's pretty much an easy-way-out (as far as Malone and Payton goes). Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out to get a ring, that's why I mentioned the word "desperate?"

You make it seem like it's wrong what they're doing. It's nothing short of a class act. They are at the end of their careers. They have both expressed their desires for rings and they both expressed desire to play with eachother. The Lakers were the best team that made runs at BOTH of them. They might not have had the most money but what do Payton and Malone need money for now? They already have a ton. Any player would with already millions of dollars would be a fool to choose more bling over a ring. If I were them I would have done what they did, and I know that you, if you weren't stupid, would do the same. It's not the easy way out because they're still going to have to play their best and work their ass off. The only guy it's going to be easy for is the small forward on the Lakers.

Yes I would IF it was out of desperation, and what Malone and Payton did was desperation. I can see it being OK if it was Tim Duncan, or Michael Jordan. Cuz I mean they both have their rings, they could take paycuts to help the team rebuild or reload. Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring, so therefore there would be some criticism when they do sign small contracts.

Criticism for what? Giving up millions of dollars so they can accomplish what they've been waiting their whole careers? It's a fucken class act not desperation.

What Malone and Payton are doing is signing cheap contracts on a team with already 2 of the best players at their positions. So look at it this way, they wouldn't have to work as hard to win games. Wouldn't have to work as hard to win the title, so therefore it's not much respected if they do win the Championship.

If they don't have to work so hard then what would the upgrade acually be? If they didn't have to work so hard then they'd be Derek Fisher and Robert Horry. The Lakers signed them because 1) They bring loads of experience and leadership and 2) They're better than who the Lakers had starting at PF and PG last year. They want to get past the Spurs so they got better. If Payton and Malone are to be considered better, then they're going to have to play their best, and they know that. Look at it this way, neither Shaq, Kobe, Payton, nor Malone are going to have to work so hard if they learn to gel together and accept the decline of stats.

I thought you weren't going to post anything else about this post anymore? Also, what's up with all that quoting and underlining my posts? What are you trying to point out there? Hmm..

Well, you just keep bullshitting...that I can't help myself but to post and show you your stupidity.

If you dont know "what's up with all that quoting and underling" of your posts...

I'm sorry, you're even slower than I first thought...Don't you see? YOU critisised me bout my spelling and grammar ( I atleast dont live in the US so my English not bein A- Okay aint that bad...you should be ashamed since I'm assuming that you do live in the States) and you yourself...write/spell incorrectly... So what damn right do you have... to tell me my grammar sucks...look at your grammer first...then critisise others... . ( I quoted you wrong on the privilege my bad...)

If you STILL don't get what's wrong here, I'll help :

You wrote: Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring
It's supposed to be: Payton and Malone DON'T have a ring?

You wrote: Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out
It's supposed to be: Malone and Payton ARE choosing the easy-way-out last time I checked....

There goes your..."You cant spell & your grammer sucks" bullshit.

You wrote: Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out
It's supposed to be: Malone and Payton ARE choosing the easy-way-out last time I checked....

well depending on the tense it could be were as well...and as for the whole Laker thing i just don't wanna even argue about it... i just think of it as this way Malone and Payton wants a championship and they both go to a championship bound team..

Replying to Psycho's post..
Haha, well I'm only human man. People make mistakes too, so do I. Yes I said you don't know how to spell or have decent English grammar. At least I was more correct on that, unlike yours. Yours I can point out everything you wrote that is wrong

Travis

Damn, just get over it already. What's the use, not like anyone is gonna change other's opinions.

When the hell did I say players signing small contracts is such a "disaster?" I never said it was a disaster, my point is that it's cheap and it's pretty much an easy-way-out (as far as Malone and Payton goes). Malone and Payton is choosing the easy-way-out to get a ring, that's why I mentioned the word "desperate?"

Well you are pretty upset that Malone and Payton signed small contracts. I don't see why you have such a problem with them "taking the easy way out". Don't you think they deserve rings? Would you care if they would have signed in SA and took the easy way out?

Yes I would IF it was out of desperation, and what Malone and Payton did was desperation. I can see it being OK if it was Tim Duncan, or Michael Jordan. Cuz I mean they both have their rings, they could take paycuts to help the team rebuild or reload. Payton and Malone DOESN'T have a ring, so therefore there would be some criticism when they do sign small contracts.

Why does it make a difference if they don't have a ring. So your saying you don't care if a superstar player who has a ring signs to a contender in order to get more rings, but you don't agree if a player who doesn't have a ring does it. Explain? How do you expect guys to get rings? If they aren't drafted by or traded to a contender they don't get a championship? Players have a right to sign wherever they like(in most cases) for however much they like.

Again, I did not say I hated all Laker fans. Maybe the title of the topic wasn't more exact so you guys think I meant all Laker fans. I did however reiterate by saying the majority of Laker fans are that way.

Why do you think a lot of Laker fans are arrogant? Do you think it might have anything to do with them winning 3 straight titles? Any teams fans are going to be confident when their team has that much success. Bulls fans used to be like it and why not?

Happy to participate and work hard to win the title. What Malone and Payton are doing is signing cheap contracts on a team with already 2 of the best players at their positions. So look at it this way, they wouldn't have to work as hard to win games. Wouldn't have to work as hard to win the title, so therefore it's not much respected if they do win the Championship.

That's absolute crap. Are you saying they would have an asterisk on their title because they had four All Stars on their roster? They aren't going to play hard, they aren't going to be happy, they will just cruise through the season, I don't think so. They are going to have to work hard for this championship. There are still very talented teams in the West that can cause an upset. I think they are going to be a great team to watch. You have every style of basketball on show at the same time. The great ballhandler, the highflying scorer, the workhorse and the low post banger.

Would you rather put a lot of hard work into a certain goal and achieve it? Or put less work into something and winning it as well, BUT you know deep down inside that you got big time help to get it. I would be damn proud of myself for my hard work.

Have Karl Malone and Gary Payton put a shitload of hard work into their goal of becoming champions only to fall short? I'd say they are proud of the hard work they have done over the years and see this as a chance to go for their personal goal. I'm sure Malone and Payton won't be thinking deep down that they didn't do the hard work to deserve the title if the Lakers win. I'm sure they will be damn proud of themselves.

How can they be proud of themselves when they get the ring and retire, knowing they got a lot of help to achive it? I don't know about you but many people out there wants to be challenged. Being challenged is a good thing am I right?

They will be happy at what they achieved over their whole careers and that they did once now the feeling of winning the NBA Championship. How can they not be proud of themselves? They have and will be challenged. Now your sounding like an "arrogant" Laker fan. Acting like they aren't going to have to play good basketball to win the title.

You should know when I'm joking or not, not very hard to tell. Sarcasm and joking around isn't hard to differentiate. So you should've known that I was on the sarcasm side by quoting Ben. Also if you looked at all the times I posted on here, I only call them by the "Lakers." That was the ONLY time I used "Lackers," so..think what you want.

Well since you aren't going to shut up it doesn't really matter, but whatever you intended, you still typed "Lackers". Yes or No?

Haha, what do I have to lose? If this was out in public, hell he can't do anything about it. I could just say whatever I want in his face and if he decides to attack me, his ass will be jailed. All he really has to do is walk away like a ***** that he is..

Yeah, trust the prison system.

Haha, that would be to my advantage after the beating, LOL Like I said, there are crimes for those

If you survived the beating...

Yep, like I said, I have nothing to lose really. Oh and I'm not insane, just smart cuz I am not afraid of "Superman." Nor am I a chicken to run away or let him punk me around. I'm smarter than that man

I think you missed my point. Not would you run from Shaq if he attacked you? Would you pick a fight with Shaq?

So lame, not even funny..*yawns*

Lame like your excuse for calling them the Lackers.[/b]

How can they be proud of themselves when they get the ring and retire, knowing they got a lot of help to achive it? I don't know about you but many people out there wants to be challenged.

I don't think those guys feel any difference, getting it without help or with help, knowing none of them would get anything by themselves.

Here's a question for you. Would you rather put a lot of hard work into a certain goal and achieve it?

If you are getting the same results, I don't see the difference. Let's put it this way, would you rather jumping from a plane when it's landing so you are the first on line or waiting for it to stop so you can walk thru stairway?

Wouldn't have to work as hard to win the title, so therefore it's not much respected if they do win the Championship.

Oh let's do this, let's take the merits away from MJ for not winning any tittle without the help of others shooting 3s and Pippen averaging almost a triple double every game. Let's take away the merits from Clyde Drexler for joining Olajuwon & getting help from other guys in the Rockets team so he would get his ring as well. Let's ask Duncan how it feels to get a ring in a team where everyone else on his team was helping with blocks, rebs, steals and scoring. Who is the one who has got his rings alone? NOBODY.

Bird got 3 tittles with 3 more hall of famers and a terrific team, getting help from everyone. Magic got 5 tittles with 3 more or possible hall of famers and a terrific team. Thomas got 2 tittles with 3 more or possible hall of famers and a terrific team helping him. Jordan got 6 tittles with 3 more or possible hall of famers and a terrific team helping him. And still I don't see you taking away their merits or not showing respect cause they got a lot of help.

In fact, MJ didn't win anything until he learned he needed help to get a championship. Shaq didn't win until he learned that as well. Duncan learned that sooner, in fact he came to the league with that in mind, getting help from his teammates.

Man I'm through arguing with you guys, you guys don't get it. I've explained MORE THAN ENOUGH. I got better things to do than having to explain anymore to you guys. I'll just put it this way; I have my own opinions on them, and other teams. If I like them or dislike them, I have a right to express what I feel. Same goes for everyone else, so I'm ending this crap. Late.

Travis

I didn't read ANY of this topic, so I'm just talking bout the pic. Isn't it kind of funny that Kobe is blurry because his season might not be complete? lol Now go back to whatever you were doing.

welcome back colin !

welcome back colin !

Thanks, I had lotsa fun at camp.

I've explained MORE THAN ENOUGH.

None of your "explainations" make sense though.....

BOO to all of you all involved. seems like a lot these discussions turn into petty arguments over irrelevant matter like grammar/spelling mistakes (and i'm not talking mr noobie-like grammar/spelling mistakes).

hobe cryant was a good one. thanks to whichever poster mentioned that