Lackers vs Spurs series

[Boyk]

Laddas_KB8 wrote:
Why werent the Lakers allowed to play Defence??

wut the hell u talkin about??
Laddas_KB8 wrote:
everytime lakers would start to play some solid defence, they'd get called for a little bump or a little fairy tap

my ass..last nite whenever there is an offensive call on the lackers (shaq elbowing rose in the face..) they come over the offensive end and got one back (parker driving and fish flops..AGAIN..)..i see dat happen a few times last nite..n u say little fairy taps..did u see horry tripping duncan? he got called for traveling.. did u see in gm 1 duncan try to slap the ball out of kobes hand and got hand/ball and he was call for his 3rd foul? bs isnt it..?
Laddas_KB8 wrote:
and dont make some bullshit up you haters, bowen was doing the exact same thing thing

bet u didnt knw the spurs were rank 1st or 2nd in defense in the league AGAIN dis yr? bet u didnt knw bruce bowen has alwayz been known as a very good defender? bet u didnt knw he and the spurs played the same tough defense against penny and the suns last series? bet u didnt knw the suns did not whin and complain about rough play or good defense by bowen? i want to also throw in the suns did a much better job than the lackers..at least they won in sbc and won 2 gms..they also did not get blow out in any of the 6 gms..

Im talkin about ,everytime lakers went to play defence like the spurs they'd get called for stupid fouls.

and no, horry did not trip duncan, he just fell over, coz hes a goofy fuck!

and yes i did know that the spurs are one of the best defesive teams ans yes i did know thta bruce bowen is a great defender.
i bet ya didnt know thta the spurs got bowen just to slow down kobe in the playoffs.

and about flopping, dont even get me started, most players try flops to get calls, especially the kings and teams that dont have good D

and last time i chaecked, when someone gets a hard slap on the hand that effects them, it was a foul

[Rens]

i bet ya didnt know thta the spurs got bowen just to slow down kobe in the playoffs.

Or just to have a defensive stopper who's also a great three point shooter for the entire season.

[Steve04]

Actually DG, I respectfully disagree, ask Mike Dunleavy if the best job in the NBA is the job with the best players, Portland had the most talent in 2000 and it did not look like Dunleavy was enjoying himself.

2. Most of you people(not all) are acting like the Lakers have the best Talent, this is not true, they have never had the best talent overall but just 2 of the best players surrounded by crappy role players who knew their roles.

The Kings,Spurs, and Mavericks are all deeper and more talented arguably than the Lakers.

[air gordon]

just cuz i'm a Lakers fan..it doesn't mean I'm ignorant

no ignorance was meant to be implied

Anyways, maybe you are right a/b some of his illegal defensive moves. But still, just because he plays that way it doesn't mean he's totally disrespected in the league

our discussion is about horry being a 'dirty player', not about him being disrespected

Stockton is a typical example. He flops, holds, grabs and all that stuff..yet he's still respected as a player.

speaking of dirty players, Stockton has to be one the DIRTIEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME. so many agree with this that it's almost become a fact. if you're going to prove your point of horry not being a dirty player by comparing him with stockton, perhaps you are ignorant.

[bishibashiboy]

just cuz i'm a Lakers fan..it doesn't mean I'm ignorant

no ignorance was meant to be implied

Oh it's just cuz you said that you won't try to "convince a Lakers fan otherwise" that Horry is a dirty player. It just sounded like you assumed I won't listen to anything you bring up because I'm a Lakers fan. As I said before, don't assume all Laker fans are ignorant.

Anyways, maybe you are right a/b some of his illegal defensive moves. But still, just because he plays that way it doesn't mean he's totally disrespected in the league

our discussion is about horry being a 'dirty player', not about him being disrespected

True. My statement was in response to em who said that Horry's not respected in the league at all. That is not true.

Stockton is a typical example. He flops, holds, grabs and all that stuff..yet he's still respected as a player.

speaking of dirty players, Stockton has to be one the DIRTIEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME. so many agree with this that it's almost become a fact. if you're going to prove your point of horry not being a dirty player by comparing him with stockton, perhaps you are ignorant.

No, read carefully. My point was that even though Stockton is dirty, he is still respected. People on this board need to read and stop insulting each other.

[Andrew]

Lakers take Game 3 110-95. Los Angeles played well, San Antonio did not. I briefly watched the Live Scores on NBA.com having logged on during the second quarter. The game seemed pretty much over then. Only two Spurs in double figures for scoring, all Lakers starters with 10 or more points led by Kobe's 39. Seems like Duncan was the only Spur who could really do anything in Game 3.

Even though I picked the Lakers to win the series, I had a feeling the Spurs might be able to advance after the first couple of games. I thought a sweep would be virtually impossible, but 2-0 is not a comfortable enough series lead to drop a game. Fewer teams have come back from 3-1 down than 2-1 down in a series - San Antonio can't give up any more games. If the Lakers even the series, I say it's over.

Looking at it from the other perspective, the Lakers can't assume that they'll have a repeat of the first round, winning after trailing 2-1. To put it simply, the Lakers just have to do what they did in Game 3, while making sure the Spurs can't do what they did in Games 1 and 2. Sounds pretty easy when you think of it that way.

[bishibashiboy]

Uh oh..the Lakers won..
Let the hating begin.................

[airtsinelas]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2003/story?id=1551784

LOS ANGELES -- Actor Jack Nicholson stepped onto the Staples Center court and screamed at a referee during Friday night's Western Conference playoff game between the San Antonio Spurs and Los Angeles Lakers.

Man, reminds me of his movie with Adam Sandler "Anger Management"

[em]

http://www.nba.com/games/20030509/SASLAL/boxscore.html
lackers shot 40 ft attempts to spurs 24..but i dont see anyone on the spurs whining and crying about the descrepancy..unlike the lackers..unlike 'jackass'.. ...there were a bunch of bs calls against the spurs too but i aint have time to explain to a bunch of lacker fans..they r no use and only will make excuses.. then theres the 'mvp' chant when kobster gets to the ft line..comon dis is how stupid lacker fans r..dont they knw the mvp voting is over already..? stop being dumbass' and chant 'mvp' for sumthin dat isnt going to change..u pple juss making an ass out of urself..

[Steve04]

http://www.nba.com/games/20030509/SASLAL/boxscore.html
lackers shot 40 ft attempts to spurs 24..but i dont see anyone on the spurs whining and crying about the descrepancy..unlike the lackers..unlike 'jackass'.. ...there were a bunch of bs calls against the spurs too but i aint have time to explain to a bunch of lacker fans..they r no use and only will make excuses.. then theres the 'mvp' chant when kobster gets to the ft line..comon dis is how stupid lacker fans r..dont they knw the mvp voting is over already..? stop being dumbass' and chant 'mvp' for sumthin dat isnt going to change..u pple juss making an ass out of urself..

lol, Do you really expect to debate anything with an attitude like that?
I think your the only one making a fool out of yourself by insulting all laker fans, if they pay $100 dollars for a ticket to the game they can scream and yell whatever they want to.


I will tell you why the Lakers and the Spurs had major FT discrepancy's, its because the Spurs took it to the hoop in game 1 and were more aggressive(which I believe I said?) and in game 3 the Lakers were the more(by far) aggressive team by driving it to the hoop, the Spurs looked timid in game 3 and I can see why Andrew was skeptical when they went up 2-0.

[Jackal]

Man, even Jack didnt agree with the calls...see the outburst I still dont agree with the second foul on Shaq...but i also dont agree that Kobe was fouled sumwhere in the 3 quarter...God only knows whats up with the ref's but yeah...im just happy the Lakers won tha's the bottom line eh em?

[bishibashiboy]

then theres the 'mvp' chant when kobster gets to the ft line..comon dis is how stupid lacker fans r..dont they knw the mvp voting is over already..? stop being dumbass' and chant 'mvp' for sumthin dat isnt going to change..u pple juss making an ass out of urself..

I don't see how this is a problem. Fans always chant MVP. For christ sake some ppl chanted for Vince Carter to be MVP before in Raptors games! If you want ludicrous, THAT'S ludicrous.
Regardless, Kobe had an MVP type season (albeit KG had a better one and still got snubbed..), and if they make it to the finals, he can still have a possibility of winning Finals MVP. I don't see why you're so jealous or bitter that ppl in L.A. like to support their star player. You seem to resent EVERY little thing the Lakers or their fans do. Grow up. We all know how much you dislike them. Stop whining. Your point is clear. I can give the Spurs credit for what they did in games 1 and 2. Why can't you give credit to Kobe for playing aggressive last night?

I will tell you why the Lakers and the Spurs had major FT discrepancy's, its because the Spurs took it to the hoop in game 1 and were more aggressive(which I believe I said?) and in game 3 the Lakers were the more(by far) aggressive team by driving it to the hoop, the Spurs looked timid in game 3 and I can see why Andrew was skeptical when they went up 2-0.

That's exactly true. I have tried to point this out before, but em just doesn't listen. The Spurs were clearly the better team in games 1 and 2 because they attacked. But the Lakers took it to them last night by being more aggressive. And as for dirty plays, I saw a few from the Spurs last night on defense. Mike Fratello said it best: "...the holding and grabbing that you might get away with in your own building, gets called now on the other team's home floor.."

And for those keeping track, Shaq still got called for at least 2 offensive fouls and Kobe at least one. Shaq also sat out a good portion of the 2nd quarter due to foul trouble. Whoever said that the refs would not "take him out of the game" because they're playing in L.A. was dead wrong.

[air gordon]

bibashiboy: i don't want to get into an interpretation battle, a flame session, and/or a debate over the english language here. clearly we are misunderstanding each other..

not wanting to convice a laker fan that horry is a dirty player means you have an opinion about a player, which you are entitled to, so i don't want to bother- especially since its a biased opinion.

As I said before, don't assume all Laker fans are ignorant.

if that is directed towards me- as i said before, i was not implying that all laker fans are ignorant

just cuz i'm a Lakers fan..it doesn't mean I'm ignorant. Anyways, maybe you are right a/b some of his illegal defensive moves. But still, just because he plays that way it doesn't mean he's totally disrespected in the league.

My statement was in response to em who said that Horry's not respected in the league at all

the way i see it- The "But still..." statement was also in response to my posts since you quoted what i said. especially since your first few points in that paragraph were in response to my posts. i didn't see any quotes by em listed btw

No, read carefully. My point was that even though Stockton is dirty, he is still respected. People on this board need to read and stop insulting each other

indeed i did read carefully. since you're quoting my posts, i think it is safe to assume you replying to what i've said. how am i suppose to know you are branching off and making replies to what other people on this board have said even though you are only quoting what i have posted??????
so naturally, i'm thinking you're comparing horry to stockton to prove that he's not a dirty. you even admitted that stockton is dirty yourself making you sound ignorant.

i'm not claiming to be the know-all of everything- but i do think if someone is going to quote what i've posted and write a reply about it, i'm going to assume this reply is directed only towards me. so perhaps people on this board need to learn how to express themselves properly so they won't be insulted ..

and since you, BIBASHIBOY, haven't said anything else in your defense of horry, i'll assume that you, a lakers fan, agree with me and many others that horry is DIRTY PLAYER.
it's limpdilznik btw...

[bishibashiboy]

bibashiboy: i don't want to get into an interpretation battle, a flame session, and/or a debate over the english language here. clearly we are misunderstanding each other..

Yes, I believe we are too. It isn't my intention to get into a flame session either (unlike em). I just want to express my thoughts on the heavy anti-Laker sentiments on this board. I am not trying to get personal and insult others unless I am insulted first.

not wanting to convice a laker fan that horry is a dirty player means you have an opinion about a player, which you are entitled to, so i don't want to bother- especially since its a biased opinion.

Alright that's cool..since we are both biased in our opinions.

the way i see it- The "But still..." statement was also in response to my posts since you quoted what i said. especially since your first few points in that paragraph were in response to my posts. i didn't see any quotes by em listed btw

In the future I will be sure to quote his specific response.

i'm thinking you're comparing horry to stockton to prove that he's not a dirty. you even admitted that stockton is dirty yourself making you sound ignorant.

The original comparison was to establish that even though if someone is considered "dirty" by others, he can still be respected; not in response to whether or not Horry is actually dirty or not. Em believes that Horry is not respected because he can't hit a shot and he plays dirty. My response is that even ASSUMING he is dirty (even though as you quoted "non-Laker" fans ALL think he is), he can still be respected (like Stockton). You were not the one I was originally trying to reply to on this matter. Sorry, I will quote the right person in the future.

and since you, BIBASHIBOY, haven't said anything else in your defense of horry, i'll assume that you, a lakers fan, agree with me and many others that horry is DIRTY PLAYER.

I will stop not because I am unable to defend him..but because as you stated earlier, opinions are biased: mine AND YOURS. I personally don't think he is significantly more dirty than many other defenders in the league, but since I'm a Lakers fan you reject my opinion. You don't seem to like the way he plays and therefore think he's dirty. That's fine. I don't think your opinions are completely unbiased either though because of your references to "big country bryant" (Kobe) and the overall generalization that: "unless your a laker fan, it's pretty much common knowledge horry is dirty player." This is clearly a biased opinion as well. Therefore, I will stop trying to convince you that Horry is not as dirty as you make him sound to be because your opinions are biased as well and the arguing will never stop.

Here is a little of what I think: MANY players hold and grab on defense, it's just a matter whether you see it or not. Bruce Bowen is doing an excellent job on Kobe this series. However, to say he does not hold or grab on defense is not true. It is a matter of whether or not you or the refs SEE it. Malik Rose is another example. He is a good defender that boxes out well. But like it or not, he is 6'7, 250 and is severly outmatched in size and strength by Shaq. As a result, there are many times where he flops on defense against Shaq as well in hopes of drawing an offensive foul. This is a dirty move as well, but it is also strategy in my opinion. If you can get Shaq in foul trouble and get away with it then you're doing your part; dirty or not. There are also many other subtle things that defensive players do to get the upper hand, as I am sure many of you are aware of.

On a side note, Tim Duncan is getting away with the same type of power moves that are being called on Shaq on offense. The difference is that it is not as pronounced because TD is smarter than Shaq, and uses slighly less brute force when he drives his arms into defenders.

it's limpdilznik btw...

My mistake. It's biSHIbashiboy too.

[Steve04]

The Lakers assistants have no clue what they are doing, if Phil Jackson does not call the team or something the Lakers are down 3-1

[.]

he will actually at halftime, Lakers behind by 7

[air gordon]

but since I'm a Lakers fan you reject my opinion. You don't seem to like the way he plays and therefore think he's dirty. That's fine. I don't think your opinions are completely unbiased either though because of your references to "big country bryant" (Kobe) and the overall generalization that: "unless your a laker fan, it's pretty much common knowledge horry is dirty player." This is clearly a biased opinion as well.

try and convince bulls fans that jordan was a ballhog. or that his push off on b russell was an offensive foul.

or to 76ers fans iverson carries/palms the ball on his crossover/drives to the basket.

or to kings fans that chris webber has no heart and is a soft player.

the list can go on and on. but you catch my drift, biSHIbashiboy?


as for the big country bryant thing, how does that support your argument that my opinion towards HORRY is biased??? that's an entirely different thing. the big country thing is in reference to him being called by his first name all the time. besides, i haven't given a pet name to horry.

[.]

Lakers won 99-95!!!!!

series tied at 2

Lets gooo to San Antonio

[Colin]

hahahahaha The lousy Spurs couldn't even inbound the ball. Talk about execution. Go Lake-show.

[Steve04]

If the Lakers win in San Antonio the series is just about over....

JUST about mind you

[MVP]

: The lousy Spurs couldn't even inbound the ball. Talk about execution.

So right about about that. Parker was inbounding the ball and he had Jackson right in front of him. Instead he tries passing it to Ginobili and guess who intercepted it. I know they needed a 3 pointer, but man giving it up instead is just too crazy.
I mentioned this earlier...the inexperience of these young guns MAY cost the Spurs. How about them waiting 10 secs to foul the Lakers....that was frustrating.
If the Lakers win game 5, it's over for the Spurs. I'm still rooting for the Spurs, but they gotta step it up on Tuesday to win this series.

[bishibashiboy]

try and convince bulls fans that jordan was a ballhog. or that his push off on b russell was an offensive foul.

Actually i was also an MJ fan since the 80's, and he was one HELL of a ballhog! But the bottom line is they won; but that's besides the point. Just because you're a fan of a player it does not mean you don't see any faults in him. And that shot WAS an offensive foul.

the list can go on and on. but you catch my drift, biSHIbashiboy?

I understand what you're trying to say, but you assume that just because someone is a fan, they see no wrong in their player. That isn't true. As I said before, you seem to make Horry sound like he's one of the dirtiest players in the league. He doesn't seem to be any more dirty than many other "good" defenders such as Manu Ginobili, Malik Rose, Divac (ok bad comparison he's a flopper), Doug Christie, etc. The only real DIRTY defender on the Lakers would be Fox. Now HE'S dirty. I have no defense for that guy other than if he can get away with it, good for him.

as for the big country bryant thing, how does that support your argument that my opinion towards HORRY is biased??? that's an entirely different thing. the big country thing is in reference to him being called by his first name all the time. besides, i haven't given a pet name to horry.

It has a bad connotation (to me anyways), which suggests you are biased against the Lakers. I know I'm generalizing here, but normally when someone doesn't like a team, it's because they don't like their players either which forms biased opinions against them. Maybe I am completely wrong and you really have nothing against the Lakers, but calling Kobe "big country bryant" is NOT a flattering name. I would know this especially since I live in Vancouver and I had to watch in horror for 6 years as that fat ass "stole" $60 million from us. But I apologize if I am wrong, and I'll take it back; however, I do believe you aren't fond of the Lakers and are also biased in your opinions.

Anyways, about today's game: The Spurs choked. Simple as that.
But I don't agree with that clock running down those precious 10 seconds. They clearly gave the foul on Fisher right in front of the ref.

[Shep]

If the Lakers win in San Antonio the series is just about over....

the series (and the playoffs by the way) is over, the spurs had to win one out of these two games in LA to have any chance at winning

[Colin]

Maybe I am completely wrong and you really have nothing against the Lakers, but calling Kobe "big country bryant" is NOT a flattering name. I would know this especially since I live in Vancouver and I had to watch in horror for 6 years as that fat ass "stole" $60 million from us.

Although that was more of that lousy GM Stu Jackson's fault. 17 and 9 is not north that much, then once the contract was signed it became 10 and 5. A classic case of Larry Johnson-itis.

[Andrew]

Even though anything can happen from 2-2 normally, history has shown us that with the Spurs, it's not going to go their way. The first two games showed a strangely motivated Spurs team, but now we're back to the "San Antonio, every year bar 1999" team. David Robinson is no longer a factor (14 minutes, scoreless in Game 4). Lakers in 6.