First Set Of Returns For All Star Game

[Chris_23]

What does Bosh and Okafors stats have to do with Jermaine? They are from different conferences.

???

Indiana, Charlotte and Toronto are all East Conference teams.

...But if who got the Oscars was decided by Internet voting, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Bruce Willis probably would get a lot of them if they were in the same movies as Jackie Chan

You did not apparently get my point. Oscars are like all-nba first and second teams, not all-star games. All-star games are sort of like MTV movie awards, where fans are the ones voting. These being the popular 'stars', instead of better actors in alot of times. Or in NBA case, better basketball players. Of course all-star game is a sort of a mix really.

And yeah starting lineup is a popularity contest. I'm just glad that it's best of two worlds, and those players not popular get into all-star game in the end if considered worthy by coaches, still.

[Heiks]

All this is a perfect exsample of why the internet ballot sucks. But isn't this only for the starting fives? So Battier won't make the starting five and none of the GMs (atleast we can count on them) will vote for Battier and we'll have All-Star worthy players on the bench. Good enough.

In fact, western PF should be Jermaine O'Neal who has either as good or better stats than Bosh or Okafor (except rebounds in Bosh' case),

What does Bosh and Okafors stats have to do with Jermaine? They are from different conferences.

Indy moved to the West?

EDIT: Haha, I managed to post the exact same stuff as Chris did an hour ago. Well, I didn't reach the second page.

[Jugs]

Thank God the ballot only exists for the starting line-ups.

[Chris_23]

Indy moved to the West?

Do not worry, it did not. Indiana is still an Eastern Conference team, in Central Division among with Chicago and Cleveland and others. And Okafor, O'Neal and Bosh are all among east all star forwards selections as well.

All this is a perfect exsample of why the internet ballot sucks. But isn't this only for the starting fives? So Battier won't make the starting five and none of the GMs (atleast we can count on them) will vote for Battier and we'll have All-Star worthy players on the bench. Good enough.

Exactly! That is entirely the point. Carmelo fans here seem to state T-Mac would not make an all-star team. Yet, actually, he would if he'd not be injured. Many coaches and analysts consider Yao and T-Mac duo as one of the leagues best. I am quite sure he would make all-star team unless injury would not destroy his season again. Not to mention it is stupid to state that T-Mac is there because of chinese alone. T-Mac is one of the most popular western players in the league right now, with Bryant, Nash, Ming, Stoudamire, Garnett, Duncan and Anthony.

Not to mention Rockets are one of the favorite teams around as well, even if you don't count the chinese fans. Interesting fact is that their winning percentage is higher than any team in the east. East really is disappointingly weak this year..

There is this all-star status thing that really separates players. I mean, it's for example what separates Kobe from Joe Johnson. It's not about being a huge player stats wise in your fantasy team. Never has been about that. And it never will be, either. Some players just don't have that flair to be an all-star, even though they put up good stats. It takes something other than the game itself, to gain such popularity alot of players in the league have gained. Some gain it through their game, others through their personality, some through charisma, but in the end of the day it is a mix of ALL of those things, and not just one. You miss out on one or two other of those, and you may miss out from all-star game, like Anthony did last year.

This year it looks alot more sweet however, Anthony is more in the media, has some nice commercials and plays very well after his outbreak during the summer. The hard part about him is the personality flare, he just is not that sparkling compared to controversial personalities like Iverson or Kobe or the like. And his game is not that unique compared to Kidd or Shaq. Or he is just not that different compared to Yao or Garnett. That's what he has to break through really, to become more unique as a player game wise, personality wise and through charisma. He has all the tools to be an all-star, but I'm guessing he won't be the all-star votes frontrunner for a while.

[JamesCameron]

What's with all the hate for Shane B.? Is All Star weekend created for the fans?
So the fans have all the right to vote for the first five starting lineup of their choice.
Then the coaches will have the tedious task of selecting the final 7 players of the roster?
If your favorite player didn't get voted in and he is denied too by the coach for the 7 roster spot, then stop whinning about it and live with it.
The games are there for the fans of the vast majority. The Rockets are one of the leagues most beloved team because of their attitude and team effort of closeness to the fans.
What is there to hate from that team? Just because Melo might not make it again this year doesn't mean we should hate what most of the world (who will be watching the weekend games by the way) voted for a mere 5 man starting line-up.
Why not bitch it out with the coach of the conference to why he didn't choose Melo these past few years!

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Indiana, Charlotte and Toronto are all East Conference teams.

What was I on?

EDIT:

What's with the Emeka Okafor? In fact, western PF should be Jermaine O'Neal who has either as good or better stats than Bosh or Okafor (except rebounds in Bosh' case)

Thats what had me confused.

What's with all the hate for Shane B.? Is All Star weekend created for the fans?
So the fans have all the right to vote for the first five starting lineup of their choice.
Then the coaches will have the tedious task of selecting the final 7 players of the roster?
If your favorite player didn't get voted in and he is denied too by the coach for the 7 roster spot, then stop whinning about it and live with it.
The games are there for the fans of the vast majority. The Rockets are one of the leagues most beloved team because of their attitude and team effort of closeness to the fans.
What is there to hate from that team? Just because Melo might not make it again this year doesn't mean we should hate what most of the world (who will be watching the weekend games by the way) voted for a mere 5 man starting line-up.
Why not bitch it out with the coach of the conference to why he didn't choose Melo these past few years!

The whole point of my argument was that Shane Battier is no where near ASG worthy, and that the stupidity of the voting has gone too far when he has twice as many votes as MVP candidate Carlos Boozer. I think it just ruins the game if people vote for their starting 5, despite the fact they can see that 82 other times a year, and have some guy like Boozer lose his place in the ASG because of it.

[Axel]

Hopefully Battier and a few other scrubs get voted on so the league will have to review its all-star selection process for future seasons.

[ThaLiveKing]

It's far from derailed. He's debating the way the All Star Game is set up. Heres the bottom line:

The All Star game should not be a popularity contest.

The All Star game should be played by those that deserve it.

Shane Battier should not be an All Star simply because he plays on Yao Mings team.

So. . .You want David Stern to pick the All-Stars?

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No, the coaches and GMs could have a voting poll from which the players deserving will be selected.

[J@3]

I don't blame the fans so much (despite the fact they're fucking retarded) as I blame whoever makes the ballot to begin. Shane Battier didn't get 5 billion write-in votes, someone put him on the ballot and the little Yao fans paused their downloaded anime video and voted for him. If they only put deserving players on the ballot this shit wouldn't happen. I mean if Pau Gasol is out for half the season and hasn't even played, why put him on the fucking All Star game ballot? It makes no sense.

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Yeah, the first problem is the retard who's making these ballots. What I find worse than Pau Gasol not playing a game is Chris Mihm. He's out for the season and even when he's healthy he is never All Star worthy.

If New Zealand was as big as China and most of us actually gave a shit about basketball, we might of seen Sean Marks as the starting PF. People have to lose their bias and recognize that guys like Zach Randolph and Carlos Boozer deserve to have the right to be called all star caliber players.

And for anyone who thinks this seems racist towards the Chinese, just think about this - You think Dick Vitale made all these votes for Battier?

[J@3]

I think he'd give it a try

From what I've heard over the years about this, the biggest group of people voting for the Rockets players aren't people in China but Asian-Americans... at least that's sort of what KevC was arguing when this happened last year.

[CMJ3]

Yao and T-Mac duo as one of the leagues best.

No wonder your defending this style of voting Chris_23 your a damn Rockets fan....when was the last time the duo actually both played good together without one of them even getting injured or one of them having a shocker game, the best duo more like the worst duo.

This All-star crap is just stupid now but ive found myself not to give a rats ass about it anymore, as long as Melo gets his recognition this year and ill be fine with it, but this cant keep going on in the years to come or its gonna destroy the match and have stupid outcomes.

[Chris_23]

No offense CMJ but shut the fck up with your accusations of hate and fanship. Not to mention, you act like a hypocrit, since it's you who shoots hate and distaste around over and over again. I have barely seen one Rockets game this season, and that was the Cavs game I checked out because of LeBron.

Stupid brats like you are what makes alot of basketball boards such a pile of crap. Bandwagoners and bitter teens who think their player and team is god, and has no idea that there just may be people around who look at the league without being a fan of any team. The only team I am a fan of, are the Bulls, and the only player I'm the fan of, who still plays, is Hinrich. And I don't even dare name myself 'fan' more than that, since I've barely seen them play last two years, couple dozen games at best.

As for the Rockets duo comment, you really should read different analysts comments or articles more.

[BigKaboom2]

This thread is divided between people who think the fans choose every player on each All-Star team and those who realize that they only choose the starters.

The random players like Battier and Elson are not going to make the team...because they aren't going to be starters...

The only valid criticism that can come of this thread is to make fun of Asians for voting for players on a team they support...which is dumb. It's called being a fan. I personally voted without any bias but it doesn't bother me if someone votes for multiple members of their favorite team.

[CMJ3]

Bandwagoners and bitter teens who think their player and team is god, and has no idea that there just may be people around who look at the league without being a fan of any team.

You call me a bandwagoner?? ive been going for the Nuggets since the days of Chris Jackson so its not like i jumped on some sort of winning bandwagon is it now? You call me a hypocrit when you are obviously one yourself calling me a bandwagoner and then saying your a fan of the bulls, i wonder why you went for them eh?? jump on the MJ bandwagon did we and couldnt get off without looking like a dipshit now?

and i believe you are a fan of the Rockets i quote

Not to mention Rockets are one of the favorite teams around as well,

So how about you get your facts straight and stop acting like a lil bitch to me when all i want to do it share my opinion obviously your one of these know it all wannabe NBA fans who thinks hes the only one in the world who knows something about the NBA and everything you say must be right because hey its you in conclusion im done with arguing with a moron who just wants to argue with me and brings up stupid comments like no offense but shut the fuck up??? how the hell am i supposed to take no offense you dickhead.

[Chris_23]

You call me a bandwagoner?? ive been going for the Nuggets since the days of Chris Jackson so its not like i jumped on some sort of winning bandwagon is it now? You call me a hypocrit when you are obviously one yourself calling me a bandwagoner and then saying your a fan of the bulls, i wonder why you went for them eh?? jump on the MJ bandwagon did we and couldnt get off without looking like a dipshit now?

And again, you either insult or make things up.

?

So you are calling all Jordan fans bandwagoners who did not live or were not old enough in the eighties? Yeah, sorry that I became a fan of the Bulls when Jordan first retired and heard of his fathers death. Something I familiarized myself with since I know how that feels like. In such young age, kids look for heroes they are missing in their life. And as a young kid, heroes come of such players if the kid loves the sport, and seeing him return to the league with all people doubting him, yes, sorry, obviously I'm a bandwagoner. Obviously I'm a bandwagoner when I spent my earnings during Jordans Wizard years to go and watch him play before entering the army. The only other game I've seen has been through European Live (Spurs and Grizzlies in Paris). Definetly a bandwagoner.

Most interesting of all however is that.. it is so damn arrogant of you to think that everybody who thinks positive about the Rockets is either their hardcore blind fan in a negative sense of word for you to use that as something to diss another persons comments, or is a chinese. Disgrace. Anthony is far too good a player to deserve ignorant fans like you, but hey it's life, one can't pick their fans.

What you keep doing is pushing your ideal world on others, then trying to prove them wrong with completely ignorant and out of thin air statements or what-if questions (and you keep doing it over and over again, and I'm not even going to begin with your hate-machine and racism). I have not seen you (in this thread and most others) back anything you say up with a single fact, which makes me wonder 'why' do you bother? In fact, it makes me wonder why do I bother, since brats like you are not worth my time.

Listen to what BigKaboom2 said and finally bang this into your head that All-Star game will never ever become what your 'idea' system would be. You can try to say the current system is so bad and evil and terrible, but no Shane Battier will make it into the all-star game no matter what. The current system ties the skill and popularity, and does it good enough. Enough popularity to hold at bay team-votes, enough skill not to overrule popular players. System does not always have to favor your favorite scoring star Anthony.

ive been going for the Nuggets since the days of Chris Jackson

lol, yeah, right. You were -five- years old when Abdul-Rauf left the Nuggets. You were -two or three- years old when his name was Chris Jackson. Kids of that age can barely separate football from basketball.

Anyways, actually back on topic now. As far as Anhonty goes, it is quite interesting to hear Iversons rumours ending up in Denver. If Anthony's numbers fall as a result and he will not be getting fan votes, he might just miss another all-star game. And Iverson just might push Chris Paul off the all-star options as well, since Nash will definetly get the coach vote.

Injuries might mess alot up as well though. If, and I do mean -if-, Shaq is on the sidelines as a result of an injury, who'd be the second eastern center after Dwight?

[Jugs]

T-Mac sucks...

*leaves*

[jfs]

CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE PLAYERS - It's a business. The goal is tv ratings. Chauncey Billups might help a team win more, but Iverson draws more interest.

Battier may not deserve to be an all star, but you guys really don't understand his value. He is one of the best defensive players around and has a high basketball IQ. His on court/off court + - numbers are always amazing. If he was the #1 shooting option on a team he could have a high PPG, which some of you seem to think is so important.

Jerry Stackhouse averaged 30 a game not too long ago and those of us who understand the game knew he wasn't a top 10 player. Now you got this Carmelo guy being so overrated it isn't funny.

Carmelo plays nearly 40 minutes but can't get as many rebounds as some guards, yet only half of what many great western forwards get. Can't shoot the 3, but still jacks up way more than he should. 2nd in the NBA in turnovers. Average on defense. What does he do? Shoots a lot of shots. His team is winning, but for teammates he has the #3 assist guy in the nba, a top 5 rebounder and shot blocker, and now J.R. Smith also. Compare that with what Lebron has to work with.

McCrady was 15th in assists with a career high 6.3. He was letting Yao be the #1 option, which any smart player in his position would do. His points per game is down so that suppose to mean that he was playing crappy?!? He was still getting around 19, which is more than Magic Johnson sometimes. I guess Carmelo is better than Magic.

I just looked at the Denver/Boston box score with 6 minutes left and Pierce has twice as many rebounds and assists as Carmelo. Oh, big surprise there!

[CMJ3]

The whole intention of the All star game was the best players of each conference, Chris_23 im not going to bother with your arguments anymore as its not going anywhere...

The NBA staged its first All-Star Game in the Boston Garden on March 2, 1951. From that year on, the game has matched the best players in the East against the best in the West.

That was the original intention of the All-Star Game the BEST players.

jfs its obvious you havent seen Melo play, hes probably the best offensive player in the league, no one can guard him one on one. If you actually knew how the Nuggets play then you would know they are a run n' gun team and Melo is ordered to run as soon as the rebound is made hence why he sometimes gets offensive boards and less defensive boards. Averaging 4 assists per game is pretty good when you have players around you who cant shoot a 2 never mind a 3.

Please dont judge how good a player is because they dont grab rebounds its just stupid.

[Chris_23]

no one can guard him one on one.

lol

That's why sixteenyearolds who supported Denver being two years old, are not NBA analysts. I, with my ignorant knowledge, even know that's not true. Utah and Detroit both made him beg preseason. And Dallas pwned Anthony. And those are just highlight cases. No one can guard him one on one? You keep surprising me more and more. He's rarely even double-teamed unless he plays post.

I mean, you preach fairness and 'right' to be an all-star, yet are completely, entirely biased rating Anthony. Get a grip, if he misses the all star team he apparently is not a) popular enough and b) skilled enough.

However Anthony deserves all-star spot because of his perfomance so far this season. He is one of the best offensive players in the league and fits well with Denver plays. But there's more than a few months til all-star game and still alot left to prove. I'm sure he'd be able to keep it up, but Iverson might shuffle the cards a bit as I mentioned before. It may be very likely that if Iverson comes to Denver, Anthony just might barely miss the all-star team.

EDIT: I'll just give up on trying to discuss the 'Anthony' issue with overheated fans.

[CMJ3]

What game are you watching seriously??? if someone could guard him one on one why in the world is he averaging 31ppg????

Hes rarely double-teamed??? my god you have never seen a Nuggets game, why the hell do you think we got killed by the Clippers in the playoffs he was freaking triple-teamed.

Most NBA Analysts have the same views as me and they say he is unguardable, you surprise me how stupid you made yourself look, you dont know anything about Carmelo obviously.

On the Dallas game i expect him to get pwned seeing as they were in the NBA finals last year and Denver dont have a 2nd superstar on the team when Dallas have numerous stars. He is not superman so dont hate on him for screwing up one game that doesnt define a player does it?

Proves my theory of him being unguardable aswell, 42 points against Boston but the rest of the team are weak scorers thats why we need AI to help him out.

We are going off topic if you wanna bag Anthony and the Nuggets please feel free to post a new thread and we can argue in there.

One other thing Utah and Detroit made him beg??? funny that we havent even played them yet isnt it?? get your facts right.

[Chris_23]

*sighs* Yeah, Anthony is the most unguardable player in the league and deserves an MVP. Happy?

[CMJ3]

I never said he deserves an MVP its not like the Nuggets are a dominating force plus hes not the only one thats unguardable but hes probably the best this season. Name someone who can stop him one on one consistently and i will join your side.

Tonights stats
42 points 6 rebounds 5 assists.

As i said this topic isnt about Anthony or the Nuggets so just leave it and go post in the Denver thread or something.

[jfs]

Well, I was just trying to make a point, of course he is a good player. Dirk and others are also good, but they also get 10 rebounds, so it must be noted. Carmelo did get 2 offensive rebounds in the final seconds of tonights game - off of his own missed shots.

Dirk is 7 feet and also shoots 40% 3s. How do you guard that? Carmelo has a higher ppg, but he also shoots the ball 8 times more a game. Just for western forwards we at least have Dirk, Garnett and Duncan better overall than Carmelo. So to say Carmelo is top 2 in the nba.........

Kobe has a rep for shooting too much... Carmelo is shooting 5 more shots a game. If Stephon Marbury was taking that many shots his stats would look a lot more pretty now also.