It's Over..Don't even try ...Kobe MVP

[scubilete]

Exactly, thanks Bob. That's why I stated to read the posts before to follow the conversation .

Anyway, regarding the post, I have no more comments.

[Wall St. Peon]

KG and Tim Duncan, and maybe Jason Kidd, are the MVPs of the league. Period.

Kobe Bryant is playing like a freak, but Shaq is the MVP of the Lakers, not Kobe. If he's not the most valuable player on his team, why should he be the most valuable player in the league?

This isn't taking anything away from Kobe, but if you've been watching Garnett play, he's carrying the TWolves on his back...the TWolves were faltering against Detroit, a team that might make the finals, when Garnett was on the bench; he came back in, the entire game changed and he did the things he needed to do to win. Kobe does the same, but then again, it's a little easier when you have Shaq to pass to.

[benji]

This isn't taking anything away from Kobe, but if you've been watching Garnett play, he's carrying the TWolves on his back...the TWolves were faltering against Detroit, a team that might make the finals, when Garnett was on the bench; he came back in, the entire game changed and he did the things he needed to do to win

That game...Cliffy (the best front court defender on the Pistons) was keeping him pretty well in check, then KG decided to take over, hit two 17+ footers, then to add insult to injury canned a three...so Rick moved Ben onto him and KG kept dominating, but did miss one jumper...hehehe KG rulez...

Defense is better these days than it was back then.

No, it's not.

here was no 3sec rule back in the day with wilt.

One reason being the smaller paint. Which they widened to try and stop Wilt, which effectively makes Kobe's life eaiser.

Kobe does it from all over the court, to the 3pnt line ot the mid range jumpers, where was wilt hittin them from? 3-8 feet, now ive heard he had a pretty good mid-range jumper, but c'mon at least 70% of the time he got the points from in close.

Kobe does most of his damage within 10 feet of the hoop, like Wilt. Kobe drives, Wilt posted up. Why are you critizing Wilt for getting his points in close? When he was beat on in the post, shortening his career.

Even though i think Wilt is probably the best big man ever i mean to score 100pnts and pull down like 40 rebounds(or something like that wasnt it) in a gaem, thats amazing, no matter what era it was.

55 rebounds...

but im saying it was easier fro him to score 40 or 50 or whatever, than it is Kobe

You have yet to prove that statement. You also ignored all the benefits Kobe has that Wilt did not like the luxuries of chartered jets, first class hotels, never having to play on more than 2 consecutive nights, personal trainers and modern sports medicine.

[TheBob]

Defense is better these days than it was back then.

No, it's not.

Jordan in his 1999 autobiography For the Love of the Game:

"I had one streak of nine straight games with 40 or more points. You have no idea how much energy it takes to score 40 points one night. The difference between averaging 32 points a game over an entire season versus a little over 37 is significant. Think of it this way: if I scored 32 one night then I had to score 42 the next night just to get even. But that was a different era. Very few teams were as sophisticated defensively as they are today. And no team, with the exception of Detroit the next season, geared its entire defensive game plan to shutting down one player. That's the why I've always said Wilt never could average 50 points a game today in scoring. What could I have scored playing against John Stockton every night with no double teams? I'd stand in the post and score every time I touched the ball. That's not much different than what Wilt did. You want to see Wilt in today's game? Look at Shaquille O'Neal. That's a modern version."

[benji]

Jordan in his 1999 autobiography For the Love of the Game:

"I had one streak of nine straight games with 40 or more points. You have no idea how much energy it takes to score 40 points one night. The difference between averaging 32 points a game over an entire season versus a little over 37 is significant. Think of it this way: if I scored 32 one night then I had to score 42 the next night just to get even. But that was a different era. Very few teams were as sophisticated defensively as they are today. And no team, with the exception of Detroit the next season, geared its entire defensive game plan to shutting down one player. That's the why I've always said Wilt never could average 50 points a game today in scoring. What could I have scored playing against John Stockton every night with no double teams? I'd stand in the post and score every time I touched the ball. That's not much different than what Wilt did. You want to see Wilt in today's game? Look at Shaquille O'Neal. That's a modern version."

Jordan didn't play in the 1960s. Jordan is one man with a clearly swayed opinion. Wilt is far more than Shaq. Shaq is not athletic like Wilt (I doubt Shaq will play volleyball and run marathons till his death, I doubt Shaq will lift 240lb men up a wall to sit with him and his friends, I doubt Shaq will throw a 225lb man over a volleyball net), Shaq couldn't shoot beyond 5 ft like Wilt, Shaq can not pass like Wilt could. With todays advantages (chartered jets, first class hotels, never having to play on more than 2 consecutive nights, personal trainers and modern sports medicine) I don't see why Wilt and crew wouldn't be far far better now than the rest of the league and wouldn't dominate to the tune of far more than they did back in their day.

[TheBob]

You completely avoided my main point. I wasn't really concerned with the whole Shaq/Wilt thing but more with the fact that Jordan said that in the 80's no one geared a defense to stop one player specifically.

[scubilete]

What could I have scored playing against John Stockton every night with no double teams? I'd stand in the post and score every time I touched the ball. That's not much different than what Wilt did.

Bob, if he said that, he's just being as ignorant as many others in this forum. It's a pleasure for these guys to know that they can be ignorants like Mike.

back in 91 or 92, MJ was asked if he could ever score 100 against the Nuggets who at that time were allowing 130 points per game, his answer was no, never.

Back to the Chamberlain days.

don't you imagine that everyone was over Wilt, trying to stop him from scoring?

Teams were sending 5 guys to stop Wilt, they were abusing him phisically, holding arms, pushing him, the refs wouldn't do much since the other teams needed to find a way to stop him. That nite he scored 100, the Knicks were using the whole game 2 & 3 guys over him, not just one like "MJ" said in that biography. If it was the size, like I said before, Ming should be able to do much more than Wilt, since he's promising to be better than Shaq and being more athletic. Would he do anything if he has 3 guys on him, even those guys are smaller?, No.

[Boyk]

how can you say Defense is not better...........lol(to ben or fwark whatever his nick is these days)

Post and perimeter defense is a lot better than it was back then.

anyway, i dont see why we are having this argument anyway, to score all them 40pnt games you have to be good, no need to compare and criticise Kobe and Wilt. they both had and are having a great run.

[Clinton]

By the way, Kobe had his 9th straight 40 point game today. He had 41 points in 42 minutes in the Lakers 106-101 win over the Sonics.

[em]

By the way, Kobe had his 9th straight 40 point game today. He had 41 points in 42 minutes in the Lakers 106-101 win over the Sonics.

yeah and did u guys see how he only had 39 and only 3 mins and something left how he was jacking up shots after shots? hmm..wonder why hes doing that..so lame..c'mon kobe..stop trying so hard to get 40..u gotta let it come to u..what a ball-hogging loser..stop complaining about a foul when u didnt get foul on that one play..

[Boyk]

By the way, Kobe had his 9th straight 40 point game today. He had 41 points in 42 minutes in the Lakers 106-101 win over the Sonics.

yeah and did u guys see how he only had 39 and only 3 mins and something left how he was jacking up shots after shots? hmm..wonder why hes doing that..so lame..c'mon kobe..stop trying so hard to get 40..u gotta let it come to u..what a ball-hogging loser..stop complaining about a foul when u didnt get foul on that one play..

what foul are you going on about??
and how can you call him a loser when he admitted he forced shots and apoligised to the team??

thats a honest thing to do, idotn see how he is a loser in doing that??
and the lakers still won, so who cares lol

[em]

what foul are you going on about??
and how can you call him a loser when he admitted he forced shots and apoligised to the team??

thats a honest thing to do, idotn see how he is a loser in doing that??
and the lakers still won, so who cares lol

the one he went to the basket on the left..tossed it up and missed and he said he was fouled..like the play before the foul that the sonics took on him to take him to the line for 2 ft's which he made for his 41 points..

so he apoligized to the team once and what if it happens again? he'll just keep on doing it? dude think of it, he should of sucked it in and be a man about it. the fans in l.a. r just as stupid as he is..all cheering him on, that is whack..back to the rushing shots up..i dont knw about u guyz but i did see him as a crybaby for complaining to the refs for a foul at the commercial break..i mean c'mon kobe, suck it in and be a man, if u dont get ur 40 last night it wouldnt really matter because u came close but NOOO..he has to complain and whine about it and take shots just for his 40..i thought basketball is a TEAM GAME?? what ever happen to Shaq and the Lakers? now it's all about Kobe and his streak?? just so lame how low he would go just for a stupid streak..sheesh..

[Boyk]

kobes on a streak and lakers are winning coz of it.
so thats y i dont see a problem

the lakers are now 7th thanx to kobe.

and your saying that you have neva complained to the ref about a foul in a game???
if u r a baller then u would know how frustrating something like that can get

[em]

kobes on a streak and lakers are winning coz of it.
so thats y i dont see a problem

the lakers are now 7th thanx to kobe.

and your saying that you have neva complained to the ref about a foul in a game???
if u r a baller then u would know how frustrating something like that can get

so u rather have a ball-hog than a team player to win games for u? yes it frustrating if the call isnt ur way but he was complaining so he could get his 40..

[Boyk]

he is a team player when hes not forcing shots.

what pisses me off is that kobe has a streak where he explodes for heaps of points and he will get called selfish ballhog and all dat

yet allen iverson and t-mac and jordan etc. can do it and u neva hear about it
geez these haters piss me off

[em]

he is a team player when hes not forcing shots.

what pisses me off is that kobe has a streak where he explodes for heaps of points and he will get called selfish ballhog and all dat

yet allen iverson and t-mac and jordan etc. can do it and u neva hear about it
geez these haters piss me off

i call iverson a ball-hog too..and he cant be a team player if he worries too much about HIS OWN STATS..which he was worried last night so he puts up shots aafter shots dont u think? i also hate bandwagoners..

[.]

Damn why is everyone making a problem out of this. The Most importand thing is that the Lakers are winning. And how do you know he got frustrated so he couldnt get 40??? everyone gets frustrated when a fould isnt called no matter if your team leads by 50 or is down by 30, He made those forced shots because his teammates just gave him the ball and stepped back like do yo thang Kobe. Maybe he was going for 40 maybe not but the most importand thing is that the Lakers won

[Boyk]

yer bandwagoners pissme off
especially all the ones who have gone, "oh kobe is my fave now coz he just rules coz of his streak"

and if ur calling me a bandwagoner, then im just gonna sit here and laugh..............ahhaaahhahahahahaha..........ive been a laker fan ever since i started following the NBA which is since i was 6 or 7 or sumfin.
and the cavs are my 2nd fave team and the nuggets are my 3rd/4th.

[Boyk]

Damn why is everyone making a problem out of this. The Most importand thing is that the Lakers are winning. And how do you know he got frustrated so he couldnt get 40??? everyone gets frustrated when a fould isnt called no matter if your team leads by 50 or is down by 30, He made those forced shots because his teammates just gave him the ball and stepped back like do yo thang Kobe. Maybe he was going for 40 maybe not but the most importand thing is that the Lakers won

damn right
i always get pissed when i get fouled and its not called
every basketballer does, and if they dont, well then they mustnt really want to win.
coz if ya fouled you want them points to help make your team win.

[em]

dude it aint just winning, yes theyre winning and they dont need kobe to win..all they need is shaq, just give the ball to him and he'll get u the win. but lately that isnt the case because kobe ball-hogs like a _____..he gets his 20 sumthing..30 sumthing all in the first half so that he can get his 40+..to me that is just lame..yes scoring is sumthing and its great because it helps the team and everything but when u try to get 40+ each game..that isnt for the team much anymore..its for self fame, and that is what he is doing at the moment, he wants everything for himself and not play as a team player..

[em]

and that is what pisses me off bout kobe and his "fans"..how come in the old forum there wasn't this many kobe fans? and how u see his name, his number, his initial and number in ur usernames, sigs with him and 4 peat, mvp and crap like that..why now? sheesh..cant be so obvious here..

[.]

and that is what pisses me off bout kobe and his "fans"..how come in the old forum there wasn't this many kobe fans? and how u see his name, his number, his initial and number in ur usernames, sigs with him and 4 peat, mvp and crap like that..why now? sheesh..cant be so obvious here..

I am a Laker fan since 1995

[Drex]

I am a Laker fan since 1995

Good for you, keep it going. LOL

Well, Kobe did jack up too many shots, and the Lakers almost lost for that.
Is good that he apologized to his teammates, but he has to think that if he's gonna risk a game just to reach 40 points.....the Lakers could be in some kind of problems.


(Sorry for the bad english, i'm still learning )

[Eugene]

I wasn't going to post and I'm pretty busy right now, but...

its for self fame, and that is what he is doing at the moment, he wants everything for himself and not play as a team player...

he was complaining so he could get his 40..

How do you know that?

Bigstud... since you've started posting comments regarding Kobe, you've said nothing but "Kobe wants more fame," and "Kobe wants everything," as if you really know what Kobe's thinking and what he wants.

I mean, the best I could do is make inferences from known facts, i.e. he works hard all off-season despite having won the championship, therefore he must really want to improve and become a better player, or he's averaging a career high in assists, so he must be more involved in the team-game, or from watching him play, despite getting 40 every night and maybe forcing a few shots, he really is becoming a team player. That's the best I can come up with, but you, I mean, wow! How do you know what he's thinking?

Really, I'd like to know. If you know what every player in the league is thinking, like you do with Kobe, then you're way ahead of me.

All the best,

Eugene

[em]

How do you know that?

Bigstud... since you've started posting comments regarding Kobe, you've said nothing but "Kobe wants more fame," and "Kobe wants everything," as if you really know what Kobe's thinking and what he wants.

c'mon dude, what hes doing on the court should show u what he wants..

Bryant apologized to his teammates for his performance at the end of the game, and said he didn't regret what he did to reach the 40-point mark.

see?? he didnt regret throwing up shots after shots to get it, i mean who would be so whacked out like that just to get 40? its a game and he think it means everything to him..

I mean, the best I could do is make inferences from known facts, i.e. he works hard all off-season despite having won the championship, therefore he must really want to improve and become a better player, or he's averaging a career high in assists, so he must be more involved in the team-game, or from watching him play, despite getting 40 every night and maybe forcing a few shots, he really is becoming a team player. That's the best I can come up with, but you, I mean, wow! How do you know what he's thinking?

works hard yes, cocky for self-fame is another..look at modern basketball games, look at iverson and t-mac, those guys put up big numbers almost every game but u knw they dont do it for self fame because they knw they already have all that, they do it for the team and r important team players..if they really want to put up a streak of 40 each night, they could've done so too but they choose not to..they choose team over self-fame first..but with kobe, all i want is fame for myself..i want to be the best player there is..even better than michael jordan and such..pls..

"I think regret's not a fair word," Bryant said. "I took us out of the context of the offense. But I didn't exactly put the game in jeopardy. That's a difficult challenge to back down from.

"I was a little mad at myself. My teammates have been great through this whole thing. They understand."

he was saved because of Devean George's 3, if it wasnt for his 3, lakeshow might've lost the game because of "ball-hogging" Kobe..