Kobe 4 MVP!

[scubilete]

the best guys from NCAA will score ~20ppg on their rookie season

Don't count on that, maybe after few seasons. That guy Lebron might start in the team who choose him cause of the expectations he has created.

[Boyk]

kobe who? who's that ?

I'd say Lebron James for MVP!!!! yeah! and that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so!

Lebron who? whos that?
oh u mean the guy whos a "High School" star
theres a big difference between high school and the NBA

yup, just like kobe - big in HS, first few seasons in the L a bench-boy...

the best guys from NCAA will score ~20ppg on their rookie season

first few season a bench boy????
71G 6GS 15.5mpg 7.6ppg 1.9rpg 1.3apg in rookie year
79G 1GS 26.0mpg 15.4ppg 3.1rpg 2.5apg in soph year
50G 50GS 37.9mpg 19.9ppg 5.3rpg 3.8apg 1.44spg 1.0bpg in 3rd year

i wouldnt see he was a bench boy in his first few seasons
would you??

[scubilete]

It's ok, He was. He had Eddie Jones there on his way. The Lakers had to trade Jones to give Kobe a break, but while Jones was a Laker Kobe was a bench boy like he said.

However I don't see this happening to Lebron unless he becomes a disappointment during his first season.

[Boyk]

i know he was on the bench in his first 2 years

but wot im sayin he wasnt just on the bench, he did get playing time

[Heiks]

kobe who? who's that ?

I'd say Lebron James for MVP!!!! yeah! and that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so!

Lebron who? whos that?
oh u mean the guy whos a "High School" star
theres a big difference between high school and the NBA

yup, just like kobe - big in HS, first few seasons in the L a bench-boy...

the best guys from NCAA will score ~20ppg on their rookie season

first few season a bench boy????
71G 6GS 15.5mpg 7.6ppg 1.9rpg 1.3apg in rookie year
79G 1GS 26.0mpg 15.4ppg 3.1rpg 2.5apg in soph year
50G 50GS 37.9mpg 19.9ppg 5.3rpg 3.8apg 1.44spg 1.0bpg in 3rd year

i wouldnt see he was a bench boy in his first few seasons
would you??

didn't want to be rude or sumthing
ok,only the 1st season and yes these are normal rookie stats
but my point is that the players will be better if they have played in college...

VC went to college - 19ppg as a rookie
AI went to college - 23ppg as a rookie
all the older guys went there too and the legends:
MJ went to college - 28ppg as a rookie

just my humble opinion...

[scubilete]

but wot im sayin he wasnt just on the bench, he did get playing time

Yes, you are right, he did get playing time during those 2 years and his numbers were pretty impressive coming from the bench tho, that's a plus.

[Rens]

Someone comes off the bench, he's a bench-boy, it's that simple.
Laddas you're trying to annoy me that you're reacting so aggressively to everything that could be seen as a little bit negative on Kobe Bryant. Someone makes a joke about LeBron's hype and mentions Kobe and boosh there you go.. while on other subject you've shown you can actually discuss things, when Kobe's mentioned you snap.

[benji]

I disagree totally. Have a look at the rosters... give or take Wally/ Hill

I already did.

Hmm, you need to make up your mind. You can't use the Wolves not having Wally as a point for KG then say TMac has hill. He had for what? 15 games?

Almost 30 games, and Hill is far more of a talent and bonus than Wally, even if Wally is healthy.

Armstrong isnt much anymore. Vaughn is starting ahead of him.

Armstrong is one of the ten (at least fifteen) best point guards in the league. Vaughn starts so Armstrong can be saved for the most important moments of a game and so Armstrong can also be in better condition come later in the season.

That is simply your opinion again. I would rather Nesterovic and Smith than kemp and garrity at the moment.

That doesn't mean Kemp and Garrity aren't more talented. Which as their production over their careers shows, they are. Garrity is also more important than either of the two Wolves because he opens up the lane for McGrady and Miller.

[scubilete]

That Joe Smith shouldn't even be mentioned. His worst year since being a 1st disappointment pick. Maybe Garnett has more contribution from his teammates because Garnett is more of a team player than McGrady, but doesn't mean they are better, plus some of them are injured.

I consider Kemp & Garrity are really superior than Smith & Nesterovic, and you can prove that when they score that much with someone like McGrady shooting all the balls. I guess Kemp scores only when he gets offensive rebounds and Garrity when T-Mac is triple teamed, because if he's double teamed he would shoot it anyway.

[Divan Santana]

Agree with Greg, and always have thought...

Magics team is really not that bad! Its way overexaggerated about how bad they are! TMac takes to many shots, maybe not overall but its how he takes them thats the problem. He really looks only for himself first and passes later. How many time does he take up the ball himself and just fire a long jumper without any one on the team even getting a touch of the ball. The offence is stagnent because of him often. They dont play as a team and when they do is when they do well!

Orlando have plenty of players who can score, the problem is they dont shoot much cause of Tracy. Its not all Tracy's fault he is a super player and talent but has yet lots to learn and no way should be thought of as MVP.

[Boyk]

Someone comes off the bench, he's a bench-boy, it's that simple.
Laddas you're trying to annoy me that you're reacting so aggressively to everything that could be seen as a little bit negative on Kobe Bryant. Someone makes a joke about LeBron's hype and mentions Kobe and boosh there you go.. while on other subject you've shown you can actually discuss things, when Kobe's mentioned you snap.

Aggressively?????
lol i was just stating a point, i already cleard it up, when i saw bench boy, i thought it was meant for bench warmer, and i was just sayin he did see minutes thats all, i didnt mean to make it look aggressive, but if i did then my mistake lol

and im not trying to annoy you actually

[scubilete]

An Article from Sports Illustrated affirms that KG is the most versatile player since Magic Johnson. That Article puts this Garnett's year as the best year for any Versatile player in the past 10 years. Having on mind the best year of each player.

Mr. Versatility

[Clinton]

To get back to the original topic...Yet another great game for Kobe. He had 52 points, 8 boards, 7 assists and 3 blocks in 53 minutes. The Lakers had a great double OT win against the Rockets 106-99. That's 6 straight 40+ point games.

[scubilete]

Great performance for Kobe. It did take him 53 mins & 38 shots to get 52 points, but still great.

[Eugene]

I don't know about that Mr. Versatility article. Stats can be molded to fit any point of view, especially when the writer outright manipulates the stats like this guy did.

He multiplied all three values and took the cube root? What is that supposed to prove? That math had no precedence, that is, there was no prior example of that kind of math being done to prove anything, therefore making it arbitrary (1). Furthermore, there was really no frame of reference since we don't know who "the most versatile player" is.

We could easily add up the numbers, like Kobe's points, and the points calculated from the assists, and somehow fudge in the rebounds and say he's even more versatile than KG. There's also steals, blocks, that may lead to showing that Duncan may be even more versatile than KG.

There's no question KG is a gifted, versatile player, but to use manipulation of numbers as factual evidence? Please.

(1) I understand that he used the idea from baseball -- is baseball anything like basketball?

All the best,

Eugene

[Rens]

Lamar Odom is versatile too, yet he's not considered for MVP.. versatility isn't the most important thing when it comes to MVP-voting... I don't think it's very important... Jordan isn't versatile, he got a lot of MVP's.

[scubilete]

Jordan isn't versatile, he got a lot of MVP's.

Back to those MVPs days, Jordan was versatile. He learned to trust his teammates and pass the ball something Kobe needs still to learn, plus his scoring was over the limit and his rebs were not bad.

I don't know about that Mr. Versatility article. Stats can be molded to fit any point of view, especially when the writer outright manipulates the stats like this guy did.

Is plain simple, I'm not going to use his formula but after they get to the triple double the formula is used to see who's doing better. Check the stats, Garnett needs to average 5 more assists to average a triple double during the season and no rebs cause he already has more than 10 per game, Kobe needs to average 4 more assists and 3 more rebounds, to average a triple double, is Kobe closer than KG?

We could easily add up the numbers, like Kobe's points, and the points calculated from the assists, and somehow fudge in the rebounds and say he's even more versatile than KG.

That's not the way you do it. All he's explaining who has been the closest player to average a triple double during a season in the last 10 years, you don't need to know a lot of math to understand it.

I understand that he used the idea from baseball -- is baseball anything like basketball?

No, they are not the same but you need to understand he didn't use any idea from baseball, he did use the only way you can calculate the versatility of a player. He just stated that those 2 ways are similar and not complicated but he didn't say he was taking the batting average from Kobe. If you don't believe it, you might take Oscar Robertson triple double season and use the formula and it will show you that's the only way you get the more versatile player.

[Clinton]

Another 40 point game. Kobe had 40 points in 40 minutes against the Jazz in the Lakers 93-87 win. That takes the count to 7 straight 40+ point games. His scoring average is up to 30.2ppg.

[scubilete]

That scoring average is really nice. Is he still below T-Mac or he took the leadership?.

[mkool8]

T'Mac's average right now is 30.6
Kobe's average is 30.4

Another 40 by Kobe next game or two, he'll probably surpass T'Mac.

[Clinton]

Suprise, suprise. Yet another 40 point game. He had 40 points (15 of 32fgs), 7 boards, 5 steal and 2 blocks in 42 minutes. That's the 8th straight game with 40 or more points.

[Rens]

T-Mac had 52.. MVP! MVP! MVP!

[Clinton]

Kobe had 52 the other night. TMac also hasn't had 8 straight 40 point performances. Mcgrady is out of the race as of now. It's Kobe and KG all the way. Kobe is edging into the lead though.

[Drex]

if T-Mac scores 40+ in the next 7 games, he would become a MVP candidate???

[Clinton]

I'd say most people would think so.