Charlie V traded to bucks for TJ Ford

[Laker Socks]

Charlie Bell. He's a good defender and can be very dangerous in the perimeter. Phoenix learned about him last season the hard way.

[sdude]

interesting trade

[Axel]

I think Milwaukee got a great deal here... TJ Ford has had injury problems in the past.

[CERVANTES]

This trade was made in my opinion so Milwaukee can move on Maglorie now and have Bogut playing Center and Charlie playing PF, a good young front court which will develop nicely. Mo Williams will get more minutes and so will Charlie Bell. Toronto made a good trade as they were in need of a point guard and they can move James along.

Just what I thought. There are trade rumors about Magloire, so now the picture connects.

I still don't get why the Bucks traded TJ, he plays really well. Maybe they're looking now for 3 point shooters, because I remember this past season won some games scoring lots of threes, and maybe theyr'e trying to use that playing style during all next season.

Charly Vilanoueiva , I wish you good luck in Wisconsin !

[[L3]1101]

I believe TJ Ford has one more year on his contract, then he'll be asking for big bucks.
Maybe the bucks wanted to save some money, while the raps have the money to sign him.

[iKe7in]

I don't know if he commands 'big bucks' just yet, maybe he'll end up earning $5-6 million a year if he continues to put up numbers like he has. Maybe more if the Raps are a playoff team or if his assist totals go up.

And I know it seems like Charlie may be a future all star, but remember, he's only going to be the third best player on his team. He might put up big point totals eventually, but I think he's going to have a problem playing the 4. He never really showed any rebounding or shot blocking abilities in TO, and was usually a step behind the guys he defended. But then again, who isn't these days.

[Fenix]

Exactly that is why it's a fair trade. CV is a tweener, a talented scorer who has the height (6'10 in shoes) to score at the PF position, but not the strength or talent/instincts to defend other PFs, not to mention that he gets burned pretty easily by smaller, faster players. That is what he is - a scorer, not much of anything else.

[Matt]

you just described nearly every PF in the L.

[scrub]

I think its a good trade for the Raptors conisdering TJ is young and can improve. Charlie will get little playing time in Toronto so why not get a young PG out of it. Just wondering whether CV will play at PF or SF depending one what they will do with Simmons.

[kinokong]

i think that it is a good move by toronto but they still have to address depth issues.... i think they are a good 2 players short from having a quality backcourt bench they really don't have anything after mo pete at shooting guard andtj ford at point guard

[jerry]

i think that it is a good move by toronto but they still have to address depth issues.... i think they are a good 2 players short from having a quality backcourt bench they really don't have anything after mo pete at shooting guard andtj ford at point guard

after i have thought about it,
i dont think its that great of a move. they're on the right track, but I really hate to see charlie go.
in fact, i think they should have traded bargnani for tj...or even bargnani+james(resign if possible) for tj.... charlie has already developed into a great basketball player, of course he needs to develope even mroe in some areas, but at this stage, come on, charlie man! charlie charlie charlie charlie charlie charlie charlie. i hate to see him go...i wanted bargnani to go....we dont even need him.

[cyanide]

Reading this, I'm getting two sides of this trade, where it's bad for the Raptors or good for the Raptors.

It makes sense for the Raptors to get a good point guard, but the question is, is it worth giving up Charlie V? Some agree, some disagree, but we'll see how well their impact makes on their teams next year. I wouldn't doubt that the Raptors would improve a lot this year if TJ Ford can use his quickness and be more of a playmaker than a me-first point guard.

[scrub]

As much as they need a point guard Villanueva would have been a good role player off the bench for Bosh and Bargnani but now they don't really have that depth in both front court positions. They have only Joey Graham but at 6'7 he will not be able to play the 4. Also I feel they could've got more out of this trade. Maybe Magloire....

[magius]

i think it was a great deal for the raptors who are now looking like they have a future, god forbid. Mike James is nothing but a 6th man on a playoff team, and calderon is the next arroyo. tj ford imo has star guard talent and he should work well with the rest of the cast. His 3 point shot isn't nash like, but it isnt knight like either so the raps should be okay.

I've never been a fan of charlie v, colagengelo was right to trade his ass out of there as fast as possible while he was still young and his stock was higher. The guy is the next donyell marshall imo, I don't want that kind of player at my 4, and at the 3 he's nothing but a spot up shooter who sucks defensively. that said he might fit into a miluwakee team, but their success doesn't even close to depend on him... its all on bogut now. redd will be redd, they need bogut to live up to his potential. If he does, the loss of tj ford will be insignificant, as mo williams can play a third/fourth string role better.

[jerry]

i think it was a great deal for the raptors who are now looking like they have a future, god forbid. Mike James is nothing but a 6th man on a playoff team, and calderon is the next arroyo. tj ford imo has star guard talent and he should work well with the rest of the cast. His 3 point shot isn't nash like, but it isnt knight like either so the raps should be okay.

I've never been a fan of charlie v, colagengelo was right to trade his ass out of there as fast as possible while he was still young and his stock was higher. The guy is the next donyell marshall imo, I don't want that kind of player at my 4, and at the 3 he's nothing but a spot up shooter who sucks defensively. that said he might fit into a miluwakee team, but their success doesn't even close to depend on him... its all on bogut now. redd will be redd, they need bogut to live up to his potential. If he does, the loss of tj ford will be insignificant, as mo williams can play a third/fourth string role better.

what the fucking hell are you talking about?
charlie was great, without charlie, raptors would have had the worst record.
charlie is like tied at dunking with bosh ont he raptors...he is a good dunker(like amare or dwight), as well as shooting 3s. hes not that great of a shooter but he isnt that bad either, and yeah hes tall. gives him an advantage doesnt it.
so there you go, i dont kno what you mean by hes the next danyall marshall, first ofall, he is taller, second, he can dunk better, third, he can block, fourth, he drives instead of taking 3s or passing the ball all the time, 4th, charlie will never be as good of a shooter as danyall marshall. and also, danyall marshall was good, just that we didnt need his type here. so dont be insulting charlie like that, seriously, he is good.

[[L3]1101]

First, i'm a huge charlie fan

but jerry, what the fuck does "better dunker" mean anyways? He's better dunker than Marshal? oh great, same fucking shit, 2 points is 2 points. A player isn't better than other just because one can dunk better.

Your reasoning makes not sense at all.

Charlie got traded because we drafted Bargs, who plays very similar style as CV. BC thought Bargs could replace CV.

[jerry]

they dont play similar...i havent seen bargnani play but all i know is that he basically just shoots...charlie can dunk, he can catch alleyoops, i dont think bargnani can do that...he just shoots..cause from all the draft things about bargnani all i see is him taking 3s...

[[L3]1101]

well all the videos you saw are highlight of him. Shooting 3's is what makes a 7 footer special. He can dribble better than most 7 footers, he can drive to the basket, not great, but he can. His defense needs a lot of work, but so does CV.

[jerry]

but cv is a better defender than bargnani...charlie v has actually blocked couple of shots this season.

[[L3]1101]

blocked a couple of shots in A SEASON?!??!?!

Bargs is 7 feet. He'll eventually block some shots just by putting his hands up.

Believe me, CV is a terrible defender.

[shadowgrin]

Bargs is 7 feet. He'll eventually block some shots just by putting his hands up.

They said the same thing about Shawn Bradley and Yao Ming.

[J@3]

Well, Bradley did average 2.5bpg for his career... including 4bpg in 96.

[shadowgrin]

Bradley was still mobile then.
No one really blocks a shot by just putting his hands up.

[iKe7in]

Charlie has shown that he basically doesn't understand defensive schemes, and was a huge liability when Mitchell wanted to play a zone, because he had no fucking clue how to rotate. He consistently left his man wide open to try and help another defender who didn't need help, and was targeted because of that. All anyone had to do was to drive to the net on his side of the court and then kick it out to the guy he was supposed to be covering.

As much as I like the upside of his offensive game, I think Bargnani will pan out much better, and is a much better compliment to Bosh. Watch some of his games (I saw about four on RaptorsTV), he does drive to the net well and can dribble in traffic much better than any seven footer I've seen, and he improved his defense immensly. He gained almost 20 pounds of muscle during the season and was about to battle for rebounds with anyone, and he doesn't get pushed around. Give him a year or two to further develop his body, and he will be able to go up against any big man in this league.

What it really comes down to is would you rather they have a very good sixth man who because of a frontcourt logjam may only play 15-20 minutes a game, or have a legitimate starting point guard?

[The X]

I think both teams benefit from this deal, although I don't know who does more....guess we won't know until next season & beyond....good to see Bogut going back to his natural position though I'm still not sold on Villanueva

hmm....thinking about it, I really think the Raptors get the advantage in this deal....they have a legit PG now....