Proof that Steve Nash is the MVP..

[Axel]

Also here is a nice link that analyzes the previous MVP winners that I just stumbled across....

http://www.82games.com/wilq.htm

[Keith Frazier]

It doesn't matter what you guys think the MVP means. All that matters what the MVP voters determine it means. And that was established decades ago and its always been about being a winner.

Thank you! At least someone here sees that. The MVP vote is simply not for the player who scores the most... otherwise we could have gave it to T-mac some years back in Orlando.

Exactly! And the only reason why Kobe is getting acclaim that Tmac didn't is because the media is trying to find the NEW JORDAN and bluffing the fans into annointing Kobe. Same with Maria Sharapova in tennis, she ain't no Kournikova, its a joke.

[hipn]

I think the MVP thing is also about who is fun to watch and who has the best stats. Personalyl I think Nash shouldn't win again, but I would like to see him because he is a fellow Canadian, but I still don't think he should win again. Saying that though, I think Kobe should not win becuase he demands the ball too much, shoots too much, and an example of that was the game against Phoenix.

[Keith Frazier]

Also here is a nice link that analyzes the previous MVP winners that I just stumbled across....

http://www.82games.com/wilq.htm

Most valuable link I've ever seen.

[Keith Frazier]

I just think Nash should win it again because his team is weaker this year than it was last year, plus his stats are clearly better than last season too. And I agreed with last season's MVP too because he was the most valuable player of a winning team. And Duncan hasn't been so great lately and the Spurs are far deeper than the Suns. By the way I'm not trying to knock Duncan, I think he should have won Defensive Player of the Year a couple of times already.

[DB]

Quote me properly Jae, I said "And led his team to the NBA Finals, and 56 regular season wins."

Did you see last season's playoffs? Regular 30-40 point games from Nash. And Nash has scored 39 this season. 42, 39, 34, 48 are some of his higher scores from last season's playoffs. Magic Johnson is my 2nd favorite player ever, but he didn't score as heavily as that too often (and never in his last few years - even though he led his relatively weak Lakers line-up to the NBA Finals in 1991). I'm not saying Nash is as good as Magic, cos he clearly isn't, but Nash this season is a worthy MVP winner obviously.

John stockton averaged 17 points on 50% shooting & 14 assists and 3 steals per game for a big part of his career. Kevin Johnson 20 pts 10 assists 50% type of player, tim hardaway 22 points 10 assists,...and many others who have zero MVP's. They had great seasons and great playoff games...Nash aint that special. But Kobe and Lebron are tough...

Exactly! And the only reason why Kobe is getting acclaim that Tmac didn't is because the media is trying to find the NEW JORDAN and bluffing the fans into annointing Kobe. Same with Maria Sharapova in tennis, she ain't no Kournikova, its a joke.

LMAO! The media and Kobe? Nope.

The MVP vote is simply not for the player who scores the most... otherwise we could have gave it to T-mac some years back in Orlando.

No man...Tim Duncan was simply the best player in the league.

Also here is a nice link that analyzes the previous MVP winners that I just stumbled across....

http://www.82games.com/wilq.htm

Something important is missing there...Kareems mvp season with 40 something wins and moses malone's too. Cause i'm expecting something like that this year...and that is exactly what's gonna happen.

Goodnight!

[Axel]

I'd type up a meaningful response, but it just doesn't seem worth my time

[fgrep15]

MVP is an individual award... but it's also an award for helping your team.

Nash helped so many people/players. For example, Boris Diaw. Who was he before he went to the Suns? No one heard of this guy and no one gave a sh** about him. Then he came to Phoenix and BAMMM!!!!, this guy gets mentioned sooo much. People talk about him all the time saying how he is having a break-through season.

Did Kobe every do anything like that?

And umm.... how many shots does Kobe take PER game?

Hey, Smush Parker is doing good on the Lakers, last season, he couldn't even stay on a team, no one heard of this guy before, not he's been talked about as an MIP, so it must be Kobe's greatness that made him "good" now? Please, anyone that thinks Diaw is playing good because Nash injected magical good player juices into him, and doesn't realize first of all he was already very skilled and secondly he's improved as a player is crazy. I remember some guy was saying something about how Nash sets the tempo for the other 9 players on the floor, so when he goes to the bench he's already set the tempo [I guess the tempo aura remains], therefore Diaw is able to do what he does because of that?

Nash (you know that guy with Magic Johnson-type stats that can explode for 45 any given night) is definitely the MVP for the 2nd straight year, and even better than last year.

Kevin Johnson put up better numbers than Nash is this season, comparing his year to Magic Johnson is quite idiotic. Magic was putting up like 23-7-12 in his MVP years.

I just think Nash should win it again because his team is weaker this year than it was last year, plus his stats are clearly better than last season too. And I agreed with last season's MVP too because he was the most valuable player of a winning team. And Duncan hasn't been so great lately and the Spurs are far deeper than the Suns. By the way I'm not trying to knock Duncan, I think he should have won Defensive Player of the Year a couple of times already.

There's a lot of guys that are the most valuable players of a "winning team". Kobe's team is not a Top team, but still a "winning team". Lebron's team is on pace to be a 50 win team and he's easily the most valuable player on that team, and even more than Nash to Phoenix as Phoenix still has a nice roster outside of Nash for their style of play.

[hipn]

I admit Kobe is better than Nash.... individually. But say there was a team and it's missing one player... put Kobe in and Kobe will demand the ball, but put Nash in and everybody gets touches.

[J@3]

I heart fgrep, he knows what he's talking about.

Of course Nash is going to win the award again, did he deserve it last season? God no, does he deserve it this season? Possibly, but it's not as if he's the only candidate by default purely because he won last season.

[beau_boy04]

Being MVP is about individual sucess as well as team sucess. I think the easiest way to square this out is swapping picturing Kobe Bryant in Phoenix Suns and Steve Nash in LA. Would the Suns be in this position if Kobe Bryant was in their team and what about LA with Nash?

[Andrew]

Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I don't think what-ifs are solid criteria for the MVP award, at least not that kind of what-if.

[Kbryant8]

ffsh,Nash going to get that cause fucking media is that thing what chooses MVP.Kobe should have that title.

[Dee Rip]

Um, without Amare stoudemire that even effects Steve Nash, every single time Nash hesitates to lay it up he passes to #32 and up for a dunk Stoudemire would go. Nash was nice, but you can't have spectacgular season twice in a row.

[Laxation]

ffsh,Nash going to get that cause fucking media is that thing what chooses MVP.Kobe should have that title.

This forum should feel graced for that insightful response.

[Jugs]

Please, anyone that thinks Diaw is playing good because Nash injected magical good player juices into him

Michael's "special" stuff (Space Jam )

I'm going with Dirk for MVP.

[Andrew]

ffsh,Nash going to get that cause fucking media is that thing what chooses MVP.Kobe should have that title.

Actually seeing as though it's the media that votes, I'd say Kobe stands a better chance seeing as though a lot of sportswriters were ready to give it to him when he scored 81 points but the Lakers hadn't yet secured a playoff spot (something they haven't mathematically achieved yet but hard to imagine they'll drop out now).

[Its_asdf]

ffsh,Nash going to get that cause fucking media is that thing what chooses MVP.Kobe should have that title.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say because your sentence would make an English teacher gouge his eyes out and commit suicide, but Kobe has been getting at least some good media attention.

Some people has been very impressed with his one-man show type of playing, while others use this to paint a picture that he's a selfish player. He has gotten a lot of media attention, but its mostly for his amazing scoring ability, not really to paint the picture of him as a hog.

[samson1028]

Well, if kobe wins this year's mvp, or even leborn, next season, we would be seeing more selfish players who just want to score. And anyone telling me they want to see that coming? If that comes we would be seeing one-on-one for every nba games, the best player of each team battles instead of a game between teams.

NBA is the top of basketball in the world, and if even it promotes one-man-team, all of other basketball standard will soon follows. Does that sound good to anyone??

[Its_asdf]

No one is promoting a one-man team. Its just that with the games that Kobe has played, you can't deny the fact he's done some amazing things this year.

[samson1028]

No one is promoting a one-man team. Its just that with the games that Kobe has played, you can't deny the fact he's done some amazing things this year.

2 reason for his amazing performance:
a) He's a great player i must say.
b) There is no one elso in the team can do damage like he can, except for odom's recent improvement.

Of course i heard others mentioning that he take most of his shots at the last 10sec or so when his team mate cant create a shot. So in this point i dont say he scores because he's selfish. He score because no other in the team can. If there is better player in his team, do you think he'll do the same thing? Yes unless he's really selfish.

[dada]

Well, if kobe wins this year's mvp, or even leborn, next season, we would be seeing more selfish players who just want to score.

Oh please, you are acting as if Kobe or Lebron would be the only high scoring players to ever win mvp. So any selfish player who comes into to the league is as a result of those guys? just say "Kobe irks my nerves so he shouldnt win MVP" but dont come with that rubbish.

[gergerjai]

No one is promoting a one-man team. Its just that with the games that Kobe has played, you can't deny the fact he's done some amazing things this year.

2 reason for his amazing performance:
a) He's a great player i must say.
b) There is no one elso in the team can do damage like he can, except for odom's recent improvement.

Of course i heard others mentioning that he take most of his shots at the last 10sec or so when his team mate cant create a shot. So in this point i dont say he scores because he's selfish. He score because no other in the team can. If there is better player in his team, do you think he'll do the same thing? Yes unless he's really selfish.

So is it promoting one-man team when one, as an individual, HAS to fight for his team bcoz no others can help major, and get others involved when they can step up? See the All-star game, did you see any one-man-team in the west? I am not saying that Kobe is the MVP, actually I dont think he deserves it, but why not praise one when he try not being a loser and plays in some remarkable and astonishing ways which is the only way his team has a chance to get to the postseason?

[samson1028]

Oh please, you are acting as if Kobe or Lebron would be the only high scoring players to ever win mvp. So any selfish player who comes into to the league is as a result of those guys? just say "Kobe irks my nerves so he shouldnt win MVP" but dont come with that rubbish.

Since when did i said that, pls clean your eyes before reading.

I just think a player who makes other better should deserve to win more. Bullips or Nash i dont mind.

Well as for high scoring players to ever win mvp, ya i'm aware of that. Jodan was an example, but he won the mvp because he was carring more than just a team, he was carring a title contender. Jordan was doing great when he scores like hell in his first few season with the bull, but did he won the mvp? No.

To add on to "kobe irks my nerves" rubbish from you , if he can improve his team mates like the way nash did, or play great team basketball like bullips, or play the top level of basketball like jordan, then i think he deserve to win the mvp. Just one of the above is needed.

[gergerjai]

play great team basketball like bullips

Not to pick on you, but I thought it was a team effort to play team basketball.
I would rather have Nash on Billups