The Official Babcock is a motherfucker thread

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Athleticism doesn't give you skill to play SG

Unless your name is Michael Jordan...

[Fenix]

WTF? Are you saying Michael Jordan was so good only because he was freakishly athletic?

EDIT: I added 'only'.

[fgrep15]

Graham can play SG, he had the best total combine scores in the 2005 draft camps

What does that have to do with anything? This isn't Mr Universe, or a bodybuilding competition, it's the NBA. His handles aren't good enough, and he's not that good at creating his own shot. Marion is very athletic, but he can't play SG because he doesn't have the handles, shot creating, or passing ability.

I don't understand the logic here..

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

WTF? Are you saying Michael Jordan was so good only because he was freakishly athletic?

Haha, not by a long shot... He was great , but he was not the prototypical SG... He could play every position if his height had been adjustable... but he was not a great outside shooter as the prototypical SG should be...

[Do']

true dumb ass...have a lot of best player like..Juan Mendez

[J@3]

What?

[RA the Blazer]

I dont understand you guys bashing Villanueva. If it were Graham at 7 and CV3 at 16 would you still be bitching?

Babcock had a VERY GOOD draft. So Villanueva will be 6th man, Look at Detroit, Rasheed and Dice. No one bitches about McDyess coming off the bench.

CV3 has been compared to Webber, Odom, Rasheed, bigger Donyell with handles. He was one the the higher recruits out of High School, and was considered a lottery pick if he decided to be Drafted out of HS.

Look at this line-up.

Alston/Ukic/Alvin/Cook
Rose/Mo-Pete/Graham
Graham/Rose/Eric/Bonner
Bosh/Villanueva/Bonner/Sow
Araujo/Villanueva/Sow

Now thats a very competitive line-up, with Bosh and Villanueva at the 4 and 5 against smaller teams, and Hoffa starting at 5 againt Shaq/Duncan/Bigger teams.

This draft made the Raptors WAY better. Ukic was THE STEAL of the draft, and Graham is a defesive stopper with great offensive potential.

Villanueva wasn't drafted to replace Bosh, but to play beside him and have a killer team on the fast break (the Raptors style of play)... Marshall is gone, so to replace him as the first big off the bench we take CharlieV, a bigger, younger and more versitile player.

Jump on the Villanueva bandwagon while you have a chance, cause you'll be eating your words come the Rookie-Sophmore game.

PS: With his first pro contract under his belt, maybe Charlie will get those eye-brow transplants he so desperately needs.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

I reserve judgement on CV until mid-season, but one thing I know for sure is. Lamar Odom can play Center better than CV can.

[RA the Blazer]

I reserve judgement on CV until mid-season, but one thing I know for sure is. Lamar Odom can play Center better than CV can.

Sam Mitchell was asked who the starting center would be next season, his answer.

"I think we drafted him yesterday."

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

If that is correct, then Sam must have a new eating/training regime set up for Charlie, because at 6'11(max) and 235, and no post game experience, all I can hear is Bill Walton say: "OMG, he got raped down there".

[RA the Blazer]

If that is correct, then Sam must have a new eating/training regime set up for Charlie, because at 6'11(max) and 235, and no post game experience, all I can hear is Bill Walton say: "OMG, he got raped down there".

In a fast paced offensive system (what the Raptors implemented last season) he is a better then average center, hes not much lighter then Amare, and is probably around the same height. He is a shooter and ball-handler, and quicker then most centers in the league. I really don't think he'll be a great starting center on the Raptors, but as the first big off the bench, he will do wonders. He can stretch the D (much like Donyell) but he is more mobile and agile then Donyell. He is a better passer aswell. At first I didn't like the pick, but going into the Draft the Raptors needs were 1. A point guard, 2. Depth inside, 3. A defensive presence. All which have been filled with NBA ready prospects. Ukic really intrigues me, I see him as more of a Combo guard, a Ginobili with more point instincts. Graham is a beast, an athletic shut down defender and Villanueva (though probably not worthy of the 7th pick) is a great prospect that will be able to carry the load with Bosh. Araujo was a worthless pick, but he fills the inside and opens up lanes for Bosh and Villanueva, Ukic is a slasher with good passing instincts and agility, Mo Pete can still drain the tre and slash, and Rose is still a post up 3 with veteren moves on the baseline. Throw in Bonner (good shooter, match up problem at the 3 spot) and Sow (athletic garbage man with potential), and the Raptors have a great future. They WILL BE in the play-offs next year, quote me on that, please.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

hehe, let's just wait and see, shall we?

They WILL BE in the play-offs next year, quote me on that, please.

I'll quote you, but come next spring, you would probably not remember this moment as one of your greatests...

[RA the Blazer]

hehe, let's just wait and see, shall we?

They WILL BE in the play-offs next year, quote me on that, please.

I'll quote you, but come next spring, you would probably not remember this moment as one of your greatests...

haha, we'll see...

I understand its hard to take a guy seriously when he looks like a Giant Sam Cassell with no eyebrows, but hes got a cool name. "Villanueva"... thats wicked.

And don't bash a pick only because Charles Barkely wannabe with no analyst skiils what-so-ever Stephen A. Smith said it was bad.

Judge it for yourself.

[fgrep15]

I dont understand you guys bashing Villanueva. If it were Graham at 7 and CV3 at 16 would you still be bitching?

Actually yes because Green and Granger would still be available at both positions

At first I didn't like the pick, but going into the Draft the Raptors needs were 1. A point guard, 2. Depth inside, 3. A defensive presence

The Raptors really needed everything outside of a PF. Jalen is not in the future plans at SF, and MoPete while decent is nothing special. The Raptors needed a PG, C, SG, and SF.

[RA the Blazer]

I dont understand you guys bashing Villanueva. If it were Graham at 7 and CV3 at 16 would you still be bitching?

Actually yes because Green and Granger would still be available at both positions

theres an obvious reason why Granger and Green slipped, the Raps arent the only ones who passed them up.

Lets see,

Granger (major injury concerns.)
Green (Terrible agent, won't play one on on cause his fear of being exposed. Terrible D.)

When you see Graham, you know what you have, a beast. Nuff Said.

[fgrep15]

I have no problems with Graham, but the CV pick still doesn't do too much to improve the team. Yea we get depth at PF, and possibly backup center, but what about securing the future of the team at both swing positions, or filling the center spot. Also if they drafted CV to play center, then it means they're giving up on Araujo who they just drafted last year at center, and if they want to do that, at least get a real center, not a 6'9 perimeter PF.

[RA the Blazer]

I have no problems with Graham, but the CV pick still doesn't do too much to improve the team. Yea we get depth at PF, and possibly backup center, but what about securing the future of the team at both swing positions, or filling the center spot. Also if they drafted CV to play center, then it means they're giving up on Araujo who they just drafted last year at center, and if they want to do that, at least get a real center, not a 6'9 perimeter PF.

You have a good point with the swing positions, but who says CV3 can't play the 3? We still have Jalen and Mo for atleast a few years (barring any unforeseen trade). Graham is a wing player who has been said to play like Artest to Jefferson in many scouts opinions. Ukic is a 6'5 PG/SG, and a back-court of him and Skip pushing the fast break is a dream in my opinion.

I feel the Villanueva pick is justified, even if its just because the expression on Sam Mitchell's face when he speaks about him.

[cyanide]

Welcome to the boards, RA

I really like your arguments and justifications on why the Raptors ended up with a good draft. I've been reading around, and it does seem that there's a difference between projected picks by fans and analysts vs. NBA scouts, and it seems Villaneuva was a good pick after all, and the negativity surrounding him was overblown (kinda like how Bogut got those bad eyes and all). Kinda makes me feel better about the draft, especially with Graham. Araujo was a bad pick, but if he can lay off those rapid action fouls and turnovers, he has potential

[fgrep15]

I have no problems with Graham, but the CV pick still doesn't do too much to improve the team. Yea we get depth at PF, and possibly backup center, but what about securing the future of the team at both swing positions, or filling the center spot. Also if they drafted CV to play center, then it means they're giving up on Araujo who they just drafted last year at center, and if they want to do that, at least get a real center, not a 6'9 perimeter PF.

You have a good point with the swing positions, but who says CV3 can't play the 3? We still have Jalen and Mo for atleast a few years (barring any unforeseen trade). Graham is a wing player who has been said to play like Artest to Jefferson in many scouts opinions. Ukic is a 6'5 PG/SG, and a back-court of him and Skip pushing the fast break is a dream in my opinion.

I feel the Villanueva pick is justified, even if its just because the expression on Sam Mitchell's face when he speaks about him.

Well Graham is considered a 3, not a 2. He doesn't have the handles, ability to create his own shot or passing ability to effectively play the 2, so if CV was being drafted as a 3, then we kinda drafted redundantly.

The draft wasn't bad, I give it a B, but I think it could've been a A+ if we had taken someone else at the 7th spot. I've never said anything about CV's skills or abilities, but about how he fits on the Raptors.

[J@3]

Just thank yourselves lucky you didn't end up with Andrew Bynum and Bon Jovi or whatever he's called.

[fgrep15]

Hahaha

[LethalWeaponCB4]

Urhg its that bad of a pick but it could have been better at number 7 other than that the draft was a steal

[MaD_hAND1e]

It definitely feels good to be the seventh pick, Toronto definitely saw something in me and they believed in me," he said. "All my life there's been people doubting me. One thing about me and that's I always believed in myself and I know what I'm capable of doing.

No, Charlie, Babcock is just stupid.

[Its_asdf]

I thought we could have gotten better draft, but it wasn't too bad nonetheless. Charlie has the potential, and hopefully Sam Mitchell will be able to get him motivated. I'm really looking forward to Ukic play, people have already said he is like Ginobili in point guard form.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

I'm really looking forward to Ukic play, people have already said he is like Ginobili in point guard form.

I've seen some footage of him, and he reminds me of a young Jason Williams, which can either be very good or very bad. One thing is for certain, though...

With this frame,




he won't be able to play more than 10 minutes per game or he'll be critically injured at some point. He MUST beef up first... even Shawn Livingston struggled mightily because of his frame and his talent level is 3 or 4 notches above that of Roko.